Wednesday Notes: Ted Ginn criticism, Ronnie Brown might start
by Matty I on Sep 10, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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Here are some news & notes on this Wednesday, as the Dolphins returned to the practice field to begin preparing for the Cardinals:
BUONICONTI CRITICIZES GINN
It's one thing for former Dolphin greats to compliment players, but I get kind of pissed off when one feels the need to publicly rip a current player - especially a young player who has just 17 games under his belt. But that's what Nick Buoniconti did in a radio interview. He says of Ginn:
"The kid looks like he’s lost on I-95. The guy can’t find his way out of the huddle."
"Here’s a guy who’s finally got to step up and start performing. They’ve been treating Ted Ginn with kid gloves, and I understand that. But younger guys now have to rise to the occasion, and they have to start playing."
While it's true that Teddy was disappointing last Sunday, can we give him a little bit more time. First of all, it's usually a receivers' 3rd season when they finally reach their potential and play like they are capable. And when you consider Ginn wasn't even a receiver until he got to Ohio State and they converted him, he's still learning the position. I think the fact that he is this team's #1 receiver is opening up Ginn to unnecessary criticism. The fact of the matter is Teddy shouldn't be anything higher than a #3 receiver right now. Unfortunately, the Dolphins completely lack any talent at the receiver spot.
In due time, I'm still confident that Ginn will actually be a very good #1 receiver for the Dolphins. But it's not going to be this year, in my opinion. So can former Dolphin greats chill out and let the kid grow. Maybe if Buoniconti actually realized that Ginn has only been playing the WR position for 5 years, he'd understand why it's taking him so long to develop. But instead he had to open his mouth and speak ignorantly.
Classless.
RONNIE BROWN AHEAD OF RICKY?
It's being reported that Ronnie Brown, who looked quite good as far as his comeback form knee surgery is concerned, actually is getting some work ahead of Ricky Williams, who started last week. And while this might not signify a change in who starts or who gets the bulk of the carries, it is an interesting sign simply because it was Williams who had been receiving the bulk of the first-team reps over the past couple of weeks.
Of course, many (including myself) believe that Ronnie actually looked better than Ricky last week against the Jets. Personally, I believe that Brown should be the starter and get the majority of the carries. I say this because a) Ronnie did show good burst and great vision last week, and b) Ronnie is the kind of back where he gets better as he gets more carries and into a rhythm while Williams doesn't necessarily need many carries to be effective.
Just something to keep an eye on at this point.
NDUKWE TAKES THOMAS' SPOT
Today was the first practice since rookie starting RG Donald Thomas was placed on IR, and it was Ike Ndukwe getting the first crack to fill Donald's shoes. Ndukwe has only played in 5 career NFL games and they all came back in 2006 for the Ravens. So inexperience is clearly going to be an issue.
The recently signed Evan Mathis worked with the 2nd team today, but probably will be the guy to take Thomas' spot once he gets better acclimated to this team. Of course, that shouldn't take too long considering his experience with both Dan Henning and OL coach Mike Maser.
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Put in Mathis.
Ndukwe has failed to make any plays at all during practice or preseason.
by joel311 on Sep 10, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
methinks
This is just temporary until Mathis knows the offense more. I can really see Mathis starting against the Pats.
by HuskerDolphin on Sep 10, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
Even taking over against the Cards
by HuskerDolphin on Sep 10, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well this what i think
Well with tedd i do belive that he just isnt playing that well and i am dissapointed of the guy,When you look at a guy like eddie royal as a rookie and drafted in the second round and he beat out,What you can say one of the best corners in the league,We have a 2nd year player picked in the top 10 in the draft that makes a bunch of money and cant step up and atleast get open…..Of course i am disapointed,IN i realy dont care how lond the guy has been a reciver for…….Im sure that he didnt think twice when he got picked that high and he got that fat paycheck………IM glad that ronnie is a starter now,So we can see what the guy has to offer
by lionel on Sep 10, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Ginn
Has his big boy britches on, he takes what Nick said and puts it above his locker. He’s not going to listen to “joe 6-pack”, so maybe this will fire him up. I haven’t given up total hope on him but he is going to have to really step it up. Me, like tons of others, are waiting for that “break out” game.
by HuskerDolphin on Sep 10, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
What Mr. B said was “classless”, maybe a little out of line, but this is the NFL. And that means results results results. Classless to me is farting in church or playing “dutch oven” with an unwilling partner.
by HuskerDolphin on Sep 10, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your definition of classless
but it leaves me with one question:
do you know any “willing partners”?
;)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 10, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i posted this hours ago...
just sayin lol. matty…u seem pissed
Its Sunday afternoon.....do you know where your beer is?
by Rzayo24 on Sep 10, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Nick.
I don’t care about the excuses. Ginn needs to play fast and hard. I didn’t like the way he played slow and tentative last year, and had heard that he had picked it up in TC. But that’s not what I saw this past Sunday. Ginn did not stand out anywhere, and at the very least I would have expected something from him on PRs.
Ginn has been playing the position long enough to know how to play. It is usually the 2nd or 3rd year before a receiver reaches his potential, but that doesn’t mean we should expect nothing out of him until year three. That’s silly.
Let him make some mistakes during the game… fine, that is part of developing. But let’s see some of his “potential”. THAT is part oif the development process also. Teams should be scared to let Ginn get loose deep, but right now I doubt anyone is game planning for him.
Maybe he is having a hard time getting off the line. Maybe the Fins should put him in the slot some. Whatever it is, it’s time for Ginn to show us something.
IMO
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 10, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im sorry but i agree
GINN NEEDS TO STEP IT UP PERIOD !!!!!!! ether be a dam kick/punt returner or a dam reciever…..whatever one but do it well…..he does play like he cant get open…? cant jump…i mean come on….and belive me i like the guy i got his jersey…but he needs to step up and play like a man
by SharkFins28 on Sep 10, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sad to say but
Hey fellas he maybe right i saw Eddie Royal the other night too and thought Tedd Ginn sucks. I did not think about watching Ginn highlights in highschool, fellas he was a quarterback and corner back.. He only stayed ot OU for 2 years maybe he’s not the good of a receiver yet, but a hell of a talent..so maybe they should move him around and create for him and let him run back kicks……im sorry i think thats just it he has talent but is being asked to do t much we need to help him excel…Even that rookie royale they moved him around every where he even came out the backfield…he as alot quicker then Ginn maybe not faster…..lets give it sometime…..
DOL-FAN!
by gada on Sep 10, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
F THAT
SCREW ALL YOU GINN HATERS.
IF RICKY DIDNT HAVE SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSS AND PITCHED THE DAMN BALL bACK ON THE FLEA FLICKER LIKE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO… GINN WAS BEHIND THE DEFENSE AND WOULDA HAD >100yds AND A TD TOTAL AND EVERYONE WOULD BE SAYING THE EXACT OPPOSITE. YOU GUYS ARE JSUT LIKE THE KNEE-JERK REACTION JOURNALISTS LIKE ARMANDO SALGUERO.
by YatilGinnJr on Sep 10, 2008 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
You really think I am like a journalist?
Thanks dude!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 10, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't Ricky's fault...
the O-Line collapsed.
by joel311 on Sep 10, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he still
coudla pitched it, i watched the replay several times
by YatilGinnJr on Sep 10, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ginn was covered dude....double covered...nobody was fooled...watch the tape.
Its Sunday afternoon.....do you know where your beer is?
by Rzayo24 on Sep 10, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the announcer
said ginn was behind the defense
by YatilGinnJr on Sep 10, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO NO NO
GINN HAD BEAT THE CORNER AND THE SAFETY WAS TO FAR TO CATHC GINN!
DOL-FAN!
by gada on Sep 10, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
both receivers we’re wide open on the play… easily had 5 yards on the DB’s….
the only problem is, had ricky tossed it back to chad… there was no way he could have avoided being sacked.
ricky made the right call… way too much penetration on the play
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 11, 2008 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh.. the voice of reason.
why you gotta wait til things get outta hand before chiming in?
:)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 11, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
the recievers didn’t block as per assigned
by HuskerDolphin on Sep 10, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT ANNOUNCERS?
the ones i heard said he was behind the 1st guy but the safety didnt bite. He was covered. Like Pennington can hit anyone 60 yrds downfield anyway
Its Sunday afternoon.....do you know where your beer is?
by Rzayo24 on Sep 10, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL
Hey it could happen!
(with a hurricane behind him and the field on a downhill slope)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 10, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one more thing
I have always wondered about the short term memory loss thing… maybe you can answer this for me:
If Ricky and a short term memory loss problem, and forgot the play, how much time has to go by before it becomes long term memory and he remembers it again?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 10, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is it short term memoery?
How is it shorterm memory lost when he did not forget the play, he made an attempt to pitch the ball but seem to be distracted….or maybe he forgot then remebered lol…
DOL-FAN!
by gada on Sep 10, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's right on Ginn
He needs to step it up…..The Jets players sensed it too…..they started taunting him when he was returning kicks and what was Ginn’s response? He let the ball hit the ground, didn’t try to catch it……That tells me all I need to know…..I hope i’m wrong for the dolphins sake…….When your the #9 pick in the draft you don’t have 3 years to get it, you have to be the best player on your team in that position and fast. It doesn’t help when you turn on the TV and watch Monday Night Football and some rookie is running around like he’s an all pro in his first game……It may not be fair to Ginn but he needs to show something more each week starting Sunday……Go getem Ginn I’m rooting for you!!!!!!!
by jvw on Sep 10, 2008 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the difference between Ginn and that rookie...
I loved what that kid did at the Combine, and we thinking he might be a good pickup. He is a strong SOB, and quick. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but he was one of the smallest of that class, and had most bench press reps, or close to it, one of the highest verticals, and quickest short shuttle. He definitely has the strength to beat the jam, and is quick enough to break away from the DBs.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 10, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GINN NEEDS HELP FROM COACHES
Hey fellas he maybe right i saw Eddie Royal the other night too and thought Tedd Ginn sucks. I did not think about watching Ginn highlights in highschool fellas he was a quarterback and corner back.. He only stayed ot OU for 2 years maybe he’s not the good of a receiver but a hell of a talent..so maybe they should move him around and create for him and let him run back kicks……im sorry i think thats just it he has talent but is being asked to do t much we need to help him excel…Even that rookie royale they moved him around every where he even came out the backfield…he as alot quicker then Ginn maybe not faster…..lets give it sometime…..
DOL-FAN!
by gada on Sep 10, 2008 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES
YES THAT GUY STOPS AAND G ON A DIME THT LITTLE MAN SPEED LOL….
DOL-FAN!
by gada on Sep 11, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do u have a crush on him?
Ice Ice Baby
by finsxfactor on Sep 11, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol i had to....to tempting to resist
Ice Ice Baby
by finsxfactor on Sep 11, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes quicker.
MUCH quicker.
Ginn looks like he is making his cuts in wet cement.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 11, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yea on Ricky and Ronnie
WHO CARES!!!!! I can care less who starts as long as whoever is in the game plays well while there in there. I think we will see both of them with the same amount of carries by the end of the game…..I will say Ronnie did look better than ricky on Sunday…..
by jvw on Sep 10, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly HOW MUCH LESS can you care?
I can’t care any less than I do right now about which RB starts. I just agree that Ronnie needs to play a lot.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 10, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DB's were
giving Ginn 10 yds on some plays and his slants were wide open at times as well but Penne didnt throw him the ball for whatever reason but those are situations that are in Ginn’s favor because he is a long strider and needs 5 or 10 yds. to get up to speed and we all know he has plenty of speed.
Penne may have thought that they were baiting him,I dont know but I do know that the DB was AT LEAST 10 yds. off the LOS 6 or 7 times and you have to make a quick throw at least once or twice when given that cushion.
I also watched a Ricky clip where he said that the call on 3rd and goal at the 2 was a run but penne audibled to a pass because they didnt have enough bodies to block what the jets were sending so I take back my comment on Henning about that but after watching the game for the 2nd time just to watch their D’s response at the snap,the LB’s were coming forward on the first and second series before the snap so play action would have killed them there.
After watching film,I’m sure they will see the opportunities missed and get this worked out regardless if our line gives a lot of time or not but I agree with Matty that what Nick said was indeed classless and needs to STHU.
by buttonmashersrhilarious on Sep 10, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ginn deserves to be crticized
What do you expect when you dont step up?
Why so serious?
by Patssuck456 on Sep 10, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ginn will be FINE just RELAXXXX
Ice Ice Baby
by finsxfactor on Sep 10, 2008 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why the double standard Matty?
why is it ok to rip J Allen from day 1 last year and not ok to say T Ginn has to start showing some sort of progress in his development…. I don’t know of anyone that expects him to be say T Glenn in his prime right now, but to show a little progress over last year isn’t asking too much is it?
Heck the guys punt/kick returns were awful in that game, and its not like that is as much skill as it is just having the desire to put it on the line….
So when a player like Buoniconti, who has earned the right to say when players aren’t putting forth an effort, says it’s time for tedd to start putting it on the line, or else it’s time for the coaches to give him a little grief… then it’s very likely that teddy needs to start showing some desire to be a professional football player by putting it on the line….
too often it looks like Teddy is coasting out there and maybe a little scared on the punt returns.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 11, 2008 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there's that voice again....
or maybe it is just the echo in my head. Either way I have a weird feeling of deja vu.
:)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 11, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets face it...
…if the Dolphins had any good WR’s Ginn wouldn’t be seeing the field right now,e xcept maybe as the 4th WR, or at bst 3rd WR on the field. I completely agree with #85.
I completely disagree with you Matty. There was nothing classless or ignorant about what Nick Buoniconti said. Ginn had a bad day. Even you said that yourself.
Ginn was the #9 pick and therefor there is a lot more expected of him than a WR picked even lower in the 1st round. That may be unfair, but that is the way it is in the NFL.
Ok, so you disagree with Buoniconti. Fine. However, calling him classless and ignorant was uncalled for.
by dab415217 on Sep 11, 2008 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree with Buoniconti !!!
Ginn does need to step up, and so do alot of other guys. I could pick out just about
everyone our offense that played like shit last Sunday. I would say much of it is due to
being all of them’s first year together. Unfortunately the NFL means ( Not For Long ) if
you continue to play like shit. I do think at least during preseason that we showed signs of something good, but the Jets made it look painfully obvious that we have a long way to go. Man up like Buoniconti said and stick around an hour later after practice. That’s what makes a Jerry Rice out of ya !
Jimbo
by Dolphinator on Sep 11, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ronnie is a beast
ronnie needs to start hes the best player on our offense and needs to get majority of the carries
by Dolfan4ev on Sep 11, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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