Pennington to the Dolphins

by Dolphinatic on Aug 8, 2008 9:46 PM EDT Comment 74 comments

FOXSports.com has learned the man cut by the Jets to make room for Brett Favre has agreed to a two-year deal, worth $11.5 million, Friday with the Miami Dolphins.

Well, it looks like we will see how this plays out pretty quickly.

I'm hoping that the winner of McCown and Pennington starts and the other gets cut, letting the younger guys learn a year or so then battle it out. I think there is still a lot of potential with Beck. I know thats not the popular thought, but he has a good arm and I think he can turn it around and figure it out.

[Editor's Note by Matty I] I've edited this for front-page posting. My personal opinion is that this was way too much money to give Pennington. I mean, $11.5 million? Really? It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I'd bet this ends McCown's run in Miami before it ever started. But that's just me guessing. I'm going to look up McCown's contract info and see if that tells us anything. [end note]

[Editor's Note #2 by Matty I] McCown's contract was a 2 year deal and included $2.5 million in guaranteed money. So cutting him would only cost the Fins $2.5 million, which the Dolphins could easily cut ties with Josh and put that $2.5 million against their 2008 cap, not hindering the Dolphins at all for next offseason. [end note]

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wow...ok

have a nice day McCown…thanks for playin

Its Sunday afternoon.....do you know where your beer is?

by Rzayo24 on Aug 8, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow

things just keep getting more and more interesting

by dolfanstanley on Aug 8, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Grr

Maybe this is a blessing in disguise but as of right now, just GRR.

Let this season BE GINN!

by JPenedo on Aug 8, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i suspect...

that the real QB competition will be between McCown and Beck for a roster spot. Pennington is clearly being brought in to be the starter, at least for this season. Henne is likely the future at QB, so that leaves either McCown or Beck as the odd men out. I suspect that it will be Beck who gets the boot, unless he shows something in preseason. Don’t be surprised though if they trade or release him soon.

But it can just as well be McCown, who has a tendency of throwing INT’s at the most inopportune times, something which Parcells generally frowns upon. That’s why I say that it will all come down to Beck. If he shows improvement, it will be McCown’s loss, if Beck shows little upside and no improvement, especially though the preseason games, he may be shown the door.

by liberty513 on Aug 8, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hard to tell

~~But it can just as well be McCown, who has a tendency of throwing INT’s at the most inopportune times, something which Parcells generally frowns upon~~ you’ve seen beck play… all those fumbles don’t really warm BP’s heart either….

otherwise you are dead on… Beck and McCown are now fighting for their contracts… how things have changed, 2 weeks ago, one of them was the starter now, one if not both will be gone in 2 weeks.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 8, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

NOOOOOO!!!!!

there goes any hope we had for a ground game so lets get ready to see 8 or 9 in the box or a yard or two out. I live in NYC and go to too many JETS games and seen the lame ducks Chad throws ffffffffffffffff

by strider0469 on Aug 8, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yea

couldn’t agree more.

by allstar5449 on Aug 8, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Beck is gonna be gone

read the writing on the wall. Beck is outta here. Parcell brought in McCown, Parcell brought in Henne, Parcell brought in Pennington. Its sad really. I was really excited about Beck.

why would they hold on to Beck? they are going to put their efforts into developing Henne. 2 Chads. God I hate the name Chad. its such a douche name.

by smirish on Aug 8, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I doubt Beck would get the boot because Mccown will provide more cap space…I wish it would be Beck that gets let go only because Bill parcells does not deserve a Great QB…

by calypso99 on Aug 8, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What it comes down to..

Experience. Chad has seen the field. Chad has seen the competition. Chad has killed our defense 6 out of the last 8 times! I like this move.. I also know what your thinking. (A) Chad has a weinie arm! With this offensive line being new we are not going to be going down the field for awhile and if we need to then call in Beck or Henne. McGONE wont be here..
(B) Chad is injury prone! Thats something the trifec.. Trif.. Trifection! has taken into account. Trust them my Fin nation, trust them..

~Jers

by Jersquall on Aug 8, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i am somewhat confused

I thought the whole reason we didnt want Favre was because we wanted to play our young QBs. Develop them. Now we are not doing that. if we werent going to do that, we should have gotten Favre.

I am hoping Favre does a 180 and retires again. wouldn’t that be so freakin’ awesome. he would screw the jets royally. i know its a long long longshot, but he looks real unhappy there.

by smirish on Aug 8, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This makes me even more sick...

My hate meter has just made a hell of a climb for Bill Parcells. I mean this guy is unbeliveable.. Pennington is awfull…And i dont want to hear this crap about the dolphins looking at every option and flipping stones…Ironically the only stones they seem to be flipping are old Bill parcells Junk players…..None of the NFL teams would even consider giving Quincey carter a workout but the dolphins did (hummmm I wonder why) This whole thing just makes me so sick…The one person I feel sorry the most out of this whole QB situtation is John Beck….I think that ever since Bill Parcells has arrived he has taken a big crap on him. I hope that another team aquires Beck and starts him and he just rips it up…

by calypso99 on Aug 8, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Matty1

Disapointed? You dont sound convinced that Chad P is better than the other QB’s. How do you really feel? His football experience alone is a plus. He is a Dolphin for 2 years.
(He knows the Jets playbook) >.> I just think (After reading your previous article on J.Becks confidence) that you gotta admit Chad P has a pretty good understanding of what it takes to win in this league. Which of the other fins QB’s can say that? Jump in any time, i’m here all night.

by Jersquall on Aug 8, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not disappointed.

But I think that’s a lot of money to give to a guy like Pennington.

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by Matty I on Aug 8, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed, The money was substantial..

There must of been another team out there looking at him (5) His age also comes into play.. He’s 32 but atleast he’s not 38-39 in October! Favre. I understand your point. Lets just hope he a good mentor and stays healthy.

by Jersquall on Aug 8, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont mean to sound so negative

Plain and simple I hate Bill Parcells… Knowing how soon it was for Trent Green to go down, Im willing to bet Pennington goes down after a couple games maybe even the first… The guy sucks.. I will be very honest with you on this I think Quncey is a better player then pennington at this point…

by calypso99 on Aug 8, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds good to me

Let the 3 guys compete (Beck, McCown and Pennington) and see who wins. The more QB’s the merrier.

by resman on Aug 8, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

that's right

make miami caretake U… no sense in ever playing the future franchise qb it would ruin his potential.

but anyways, they didn’t give penningtons 11 mil. to back up Henne… so there will be no competition, other then mccown/beck for a roster spot.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 8, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry McCown fans....

but I don’t see him with the team now. I’m with Matty on this one…. Everything seems to be saying that management will keep the younger guys, even Jay Glasser says:

"…Pennington is the perfect fit to tutor the [youngsters] on the Dolphins’ roster who could eventually become a successor…"

What’s not said by the coaches, Jay and Matty speaks loudly here!

by Alpha6 on Aug 8, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

were their mccown fans?

y not if im wrong who will remember

by qbinfin on Apr 27, 2008 3:27 PM PDT

by DolfinPhan on Aug 9, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't get why everyone cares so much about who it is who starts at quarterback.

If it was Rex Grossman who’d just been signed, I’d be mad with you all. But it’s not. So we know that we have three quarterbacks on the roster who are keeping the seat warm for Henne. So this is basically an argument on who gets to be the first and second losers.

Truth be told, I’d be surprised if either Beck or McCown is on the roster in two years.

"Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic." -Unknown

by Daren on Aug 8, 2008 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thats the point

I do not think Henne is that good of a QB..I just dont…Im Sorry but out of the three Im Pro Beck. I will not be impressed with Henne until i see him in a regular season game not a preseason, its not the same

by calypso99 on Aug 8, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And what has convinced you that Beck is a good QB?

I’ve only said it about 50 times so here we go again. What has he [Beck] shown anyone in college or last year that would leave you to believe he is going to be good? Seriously, there has never been anyone who has done less and yet somehow wound up with a bandwagon of fans, than Beck.

Every report I’ve seen from training camp outside of this forum lists Beck as the distant 3rd of the three quarterbacks.

"Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic." -Unknown

by Daren on Aug 8, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you kidding me..

He hasnt done anything in college? well he has done a lot more in college then preciouse Chad Henne. Lets put it this way, If chad had played for BYU and put up the same numbers and stats that he had at michigan Im certain that he would not have gotten drafted and if he did it would have been a free agent sign….I will tell you one thing that Beck as done….He has faced nothing but the worst adversity of going 1-15 in his first year as a rookie…

by calypso99 on Aug 8, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

are you BYU

Alum? come on out admit it you’re a cougar? you’ve got a crush on Beck eh?

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 8, 2008 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually I live in Dallas Alumni UT...Thats why I hate Bill Parcells...GO Horns

However I do like BYU they are really fun to watch and I was really impressed with Beck during his time there However Henne was not a hot topic during those years…Actually the Apalacian stste game was the only topic..

by calypso99 on Aug 8, 2008 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damn

I hate it when my shots go right over people’s heads.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought it was great!

"Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic." -Unknown

by Daren on Aug 9, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the calypso

reference just made it too much to pass up…. figured it was shooting fish in on the side of a barn

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thats halarious

by calypso99 on Aug 9, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

I can not stand the Cowboys and When Bill came here it made it worse and when he came to my team i thought that i was going to die….

by calypso99 on Aug 9, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

Henne’s 4 touchdowns against us (Hook ‘em) in the Rose bowl didn’t do anything for you – 4td’s while only being sacked once and no INTs against a soon to be NFL defense (Michael Huff, Derrick Johnson, Michael/Cedric Griffin, Tarrell Brown, Tim Crowder, Brian Robinson, and Aaron Ross) – but John Beck’s MWC career caught your attention?

Don’t get me wrong; Henne underachieved his senior year. But he was considered the best senior passer in the country going into the season for a reason, and it wasn’t just because he went to Michigan. As for Appalachia State was the defense’s fault, if a FBS team can’t keep an FCS team under 30 points, they deserve to lose.

My two cents. I couldn’t guess whether Henne or Beck will prove to be the better passer, but it’s not as if Henne didn’t have a fairly good resume during his college career.

by learned hand on Aug 9, 2008 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He did face adversity.

I’ll give you that one. And it can’t help one’s career to play for Cam. But it’s not like he’s been solid in camp. Or even ok. He’s been awful.

BYU? What I think you’re saying there is that if Henne had a similar career there he wouldn’t have been drafted? I have no idea why you’d think that, but athletes are products God given talent, coaching and competition. You’re saying that BYU has better coaches and better competition than Michigan? No way dude.

"Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic." -Unknown

by Daren on Aug 8, 2008 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Im not saying that at all..

What im saying is that chad was just a mediocre QB at Michigan he didnt stand out….Beck howver did stand out more then chad espically being from a non BCS school..Im not saying the coaching is better at BYU then michigan all Im saying is that I think Chad Henne is a Mediocre QB and he always will be…I understand Beck has struggled at camp but camp does not mean a thing … the game will tell…Plus it just seems like Beck isnt getting any help or support ….maybe its becasue he is one of the last from the 1-15 team..

by calypso99 on Aug 9, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay here are the stats:

John Beck
At BYU
SUMMARY: Finished his career at BYU as the Cougars’ second all-time leading passer with 11,021 yards … also finished second behind Ty Detmer in total offense with 11,059 yards … totaled 17 different 300-yard games, ranking tied for second with Jim McMahon and John Walsh for most career 300-yard games … played in 43 games during his career, ranking second behind Detmer (46 games) ... totaled 79 career touchdown completions, ranking third behind Detmer (121) and McMahon (84) ... totaled a career efficiency rating of 141.29—the ninth highest career efficiency rating in BYU history … the Mountain West Conference career record holder in total offense (11,059), passing attempts (1,418), completions (885), passing yards (11,021), touchdown completions (79) ... ranks second on the MWC career list with a completion percentage of 62.4.
Statistics

Career Stats
Yr. Gms Att-Cmp-Int Yds TD LG Pct. Eff.
2003 8 145-73-5 864 5 56 50.3 34.54
2004 11 343-192-8 2,563 15 82 56.0 128.51
2005 12 513-331-13 3,709 27 67 64.5 110.46
2006 12 417-289-8 3,885 32 71 69.3 169.05
TOTAL 43 1,418-885-34 11,021 79 82 62.4 141.29

Career Highs
Att: 67 (vs. UNLV; Oct. 8, 2004)
Cmp: 41 (vs. Boston College; Sept. 3, 2005)
Int: 3 (vs. No. 1 USC; Sept. 18, 2004)
Yds: 517 (vs. TCU; Sept. 24, 2005)
TD: 5 (vs. TCU; Sept. 24, 2005)
Lg: 82 (vs. San Diego State; Nov. 6, 2004)
Eff: 245.9 (vs. San Diego State; Oct. 7, 2006)

Chad Henne
Career Statistics
Passing Rushing
Year GP GS Comp Att Pct Yds Lng TD Int Rat. Att Yds Avg Lng TD
2004 12 12 240 399 60.2 2743 69 25 12 132.6 55 -137 -2.5 9 2
2005 12 12 223 382 58.4 2526 54 23 8 129.6 54 25 0.5 18 1
2006 13 13 203 328 61.9 2508 69 22 8 143.4 47 -83 -1.8 14 0
2007 10 8 162 278 58.3 1938 65 17 9 130.5 24 -120 -5.0 9 0
Total 47 45 828 1387 59.7 9715 69 87 37 133.9 180 -315 -1.75 18 3

Beck isn’t just good, he is pretty spectacular. Henne is good aswell and I wish him well in the NFL but to say that Beck did nothing in college is absurd. He out performed many of the cougar greats in many categories such as Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Robbie Bosco and Ty Detmer. Give credit were credit is due.

by pilot1880 on Aug 9, 2008 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Amen..Thank you pilot

I espically like the stats from the Boston College game as well as the TCU game

by calypso99 on Aug 9, 2008 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I could be wrong

But i belive that Becks stats and career highs are much better then Brady Quins…. But I could be wrong…

by calypso99 on Aug 9, 2008 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

except that

byu is like division III football… I know, I know they are 1AA.. they play in the WAC and Beck had to travel all the way out to Hawaii and beat the rainbows… great give him a rainbow window sticker.

Say, are you a cougar??? errr don’t answer that.

Any ways, who cares what his college stats are. there are plenty of players who have great college numbers who stink in the pros simply because the speed of the game is so different (see tom brady’s michigan numbers and compare those to Beck’s and then tell me who is going to be the better pro QB {most likely beck if you use college numbers}). That is why there is scouting and the combines…

what really matters is pro stats… Beck 5 games 7 fumbles. zero wins.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2008 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

come off it

Division III c’mon man use your head…..That is just a stupid comment… Are you a wolverine???? See I’m A longhorn fan and have nothing but pure respect for BYU program.. I belive that they could be anybody weather its BCS or not….How many Division III teams can say that they won a Division I championship.

by calypso99 on Aug 9, 2008 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you clearly Do not know your football

BYU is in the Mountain west conference and Beck never played Hawaii in his career…

by calypso99 on Aug 9, 2008 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

look up hyperbole

and then reread my post.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2008 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Couldn't agree more with you. W NY

This year I’ll be sure to look out for several teams from MWC competing for a BCS title. Oh wait….there won’t be any.

Every year BYU kills everyone in their confrence, whines about how they get no respect, and then gets blown out but some mediocre team from a real confrence.

"Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic." -Unknown

by Daren on Aug 9, 2008 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wont deny it

They play in a crap conference..I bet they could beat Michigan or any other highly overratted so Called BCS team.. Let me guess your a Wolverine right?

by calypso99 on Aug 9, 2008 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hey who has

better college numbers Brady or Beck? how about Beck or Romo…
who would you rather have as your NFL QB…. college numbers have no application to the NFL.

that is why QB’s go to the combine, and get judged on arm strength, speed, size, agility, etc.
teams want to know if a college player has what is takes to make it.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2008 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Your the one that made the stupid comment that Beck didnt do anything in college. I agree he has yet to in the NFL…

by calypso99 on Aug 9, 2008 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you'll have to cite

my quote… but I never said that Beck didn’t do anything in college….
now in response to some post that his college numbers equate to him being a great NFL QB, too a few passing shots at BYU and the weak football they play… but other then saying college numbers are meaningless when it comes to predicting quality NFL QB’s, I want you to show me where I said Beck didn’t do anything in college.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2008 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

your right

it was daren that said that Beck did nothing in college

by pilot1880 on Aug 9, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not pennington thats for sure..

by calypso99 on Aug 9, 2008 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My apologies that was someone else that said that

What is weak football?????

by calypso99 on Aug 9, 2008 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No.

Not even close. In fact I don’t give a shit about Michigan.

I’m just making a point and my point is this: If I held all the passing records for the St. Mary’s School for the Deaf and Blind, it still doesn’t mean I’m a good quarterback.

"Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic." -Unknown

by Daren on Aug 9, 2008 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's true

but it will get you to the top of the BCS.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2008 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really and truly don't know what to think...

I think for the first time in my life, i am on the fence about something. Don’t know if it’s good or bad. I guess i am going to let it play itself out, and then make my judgement.

Now is the time- the time to rise up from the depths of Hell and stake our claim back on top of the AFC East...Look out Gaytriots here comes Jake Long and the Phins

by FinzD54 on Aug 8, 2008 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What I think is gonna happen

Is Pennington comes on and wins the starting job. Henne learns for a year and takes over near the end of this season, start of next season. McCown, Beck gets cut/traded. No sense in keeping 2 vet QBs or 2 “essential” rookie QBs.

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

by Neo on Aug 8, 2008 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Makes perfect sense

Chad P is signed on for just 2 years. He must of seen this coming. He’s a huge stop gap. A slightly expensive on at that. o.O If Beck can pull himself together and where I think he can be he just might be a starter or a very solid backup.

by Jersquall on Aug 8, 2008 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is a lot

of money for Pennington. I have to believe that dropping McCown is going to save us more money then Beck. Anyway I would be very disappointed if they didn’t get something for Beck, he’s a 2nd round pick with a ton of upside dispite what some on this site may think. McCown on the other hand couldn’t be traded for squat. BP isn’t gonna have 4 QB’s in camp, they’ve already settle on who’s out, I guess we’ll find out tomorrow at the game.

by ATS16 on Aug 8, 2008 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if Cam would try to get him back over to the ravens???

by calypso99 on Aug 8, 2008 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is going to affect the development of the QBs

We need to see what we have in Henne or Beck now, McClown is probbaly gonna be shown the door, but we;re going to be at square one again next year finding out what these guys are made of if one of them doent get anytime. And the odds are against Beck.

Why so serious?

by Patssuck456 on Aug 8, 2008 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I only agree with you to the point that odds are against him becasue he is not a Bill pardells guy not from his minor mistakes in camp>>

by calypso99 on Aug 8, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Guys, we were 1-15 last year!!!

This is a good move. If Beck can’t beat this guy out he needs to go, period. Henne is the guy for the future but I want to win some games, now. Last year was embarrasing. Go Pennington!

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Aug 8, 2008 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WORD!!

by calypso99 on Aug 8, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ken

I don’t want to break it to you but the team was 1-15 last year, 6-10 the year before that, 9-7, and 4-12 because they have never addressed the QB issue. Each and every coach since shula has gone with a washed up vet, with the belief that they would get them through the season while the future sat and developed on the sideline… well this is the perfect season to start the future, Henne, and get him actual NFL experience. but parcells wants the glory of the saban turn around… Wow, I took a 1-15 team and we went 7-9… a quick fix that doesn address the underlying problem that is preventing miami from being a playoff team. who cares if they win games this year, it only matters if they are developing a team for the future, and pennington is only retarding that development.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2008 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Backups..

How different would Tom Brady’s life be if Drew Bledsoe never was injured in 2001? Backups can be our future. Maybe not Bradyish but..
(<>..<>)

by Jersquall on Aug 9, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

more likely

a lemon is the backup though.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's B.S. NY

You don’t hire Parcells to sit back, not win games and build for the future Cam could have done that. No we want win games this year. Henne or Beck cans till develop as we win. This is Dolphins not the Falcon or Lions. WE WANT TO WIN DAMMIT!!! LOL!

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Aug 9, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hahaha

We definatly are NOT the lions. Bill Parcells has a plan and this is just the beginning. Great debates tonight guys.

by Jersquall on Aug 9, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well sort of look at it

from the saban era… yup you can have a better season this year, say 6/7 wins instead of 3/4, you’ll still be looking for a QB next year and likely the year after that…. so once penningtons gone you are back to a 3/4 win season….

i’m willing to lose a couple more games this year, to begin down the road to stability, by developing a young franchise QB…

think of the giants 3 years ago… they punted a long shot at the playoffs to get manning experienced. long term vs short term kind of thing.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So you are saying

Do a repeat of last year only with a different cast? And just what makes you so sure that Chad Henne won’t be as bad or worse than John was last year. If so are you going to throw him to the wolves too? It is a team sport you know and it takes all 22 guys to win; the QB is just the tip of the iceburg. Romo sitting for two years didn’t hurt him. Brady sitting for over a year didn’t hurt him and I could go on and on with the names of guys that have turned out to be great QBs that have sit out a year or more. We’re in a marathon not a sprint here.

by gafinfan on Aug 9, 2008 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Under Parcells we have a different team now

We’ll get back to the Superbowl because of defense and a running game. Parcells won a Superbowl with Jeff Hostetler.

The Saban era is over. I didn’t want them to win those games at the end of the year beacause I wanted Leinart, but its different now. We no longer need a savior to come and lead us going forward so there is no need to wait -lets win now.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Aug 9, 2008 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and that is because

Aussie wrote ~~but its different now. We no longer need a savior to come and lead us going forward ~~

Pennington is going to lead the franchise to a superbowl??? Wow, I live around Bills Myopians… but you make them
look like the Oracle….

so if I have this right…. you are honestly saying that the team doesnt need to develop a franchise QB because BP, a good defense and a running game will lead miami to the superbowl?

HAVE YOU WATCHED THE MIAMI DOLPHINS THE LAST 10 YEARS!!!!!!!

I want some of what you are on.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Funny lines, but no everyone needs a franchise QB but I don’t think McCown is the guy nor do I believe the way to get one is to lose on purpose, that is moronic. What I am saying is that the foundation for this team is with D, and the running game we can do that and still get a QB.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Aug 9, 2008 2:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ok

~but no everyone needs a franchise QB but I don’t think McCown is the guy nor do I believe the way to get one is to lose on purpose~

Ken

I don’t think i’ve ever said mccown should start (i’ve likely said he will, but that is obviously wrong now)... what i’m saying is that Henne is ready… Put him in. let him take his lumps and while he establishes himself this year, but this is a rebuilding year and even with the caretaker qb they aren’t going anyplace… The reason for that is in 2 years once the team has developed, henne will have developed with them and he will be well established as the starter. no is he going to be able to do it questions… and i’m greatly frustrated that I thought this Admin knew they had to do that, and planned on doing that, and it now looks like they are no better then Cam, Saban, or wanny…. the only coach with the *&lls to play a ‘future’ qb was bates, who risked his future to play feely.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2008 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Talk about beat a dead horse

Henne’s better; Beck is better! I say let the two of them battle it out over the course of the next year or so and then we (as well as Bill & CO.) will have a better idea of just what we have in these two guys. You know they both just might turn out to be trash or gold but right now, for sure, we have no idea. As for keeping McCown PLEASE! what for?????

by gafinfan on Aug 9, 2008 7:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I did like it

You know what i kind of wanted it to happen,But all the money that the guy is worth now isnt even realy worth it…Why would you pay a guy all that money….When the guy is on the downside of his carrer one….Also when your o-line isnt that good so,So even if he realy wanted to he wont realy be able to do much…...To tell you the truth i belive we should of spent the money on looking for a good young guard that could play for use…So then we can have a good solid o-line cuz thats were it all starts from is up front…..i thought we were gonna sign the guy for about 3 million a year comes out hes cominig on for about double that…...........

by lionel on Aug 9, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

$11.5MM tossed down the drain

Pennington is a hack. This is a supreme waste of dollars. Actually, we could now probably dish off our entire receiving core. A “bomb” for Pennington is 10 yds. you don’t need to have speed to get that far downfield.

Truly disappointed in this move. This does nothing to improve our position.

by farm machine on Aug 9, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs