Phins want a 4th for Beck
Just read this and it made me chuckle. As big of a believer that I am of Beck, I think asking for a 4th is just plain ridiculous. He was horrid last year and there is no basis to say he will ever even develop. Plus, he is turning 27 in a few days. I really think we should try to trade McCown and let Beck/Henne continue to battle it out. I like Henne backing up Pennington anyway.
Source: http://www.miamiherald.com/588/story/648874.html
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Got a 7th
for Travis Daniels (I believe), so it’s not outta the question.
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by Little Nicky 21 on
Aug 21, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
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SIP
wanted only a 2nd for Taylor who said he would only play 1 more year. Enough said.
by joel311 on
Aug 21, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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It's the art of negotiation....
We set the price higher than his value, and the interested party offers less than his value, and the two sides bicker but eventually meet in the middle.
If there’s a team out there (the ’boys?) willing to get fleeced out of a fourth, fifth, or even a sixth for Beck, Ireland should and probably will take it.
Seriously?
by Daren on
Aug 21, 2008 5:23 PM EDT
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why...
would you rather keep beck? i was an avid beck guy (not as avid as matty) but i would much rather have mcclown if penny gets hurt. i know hes not a great qb, but if/when penny gets hurt we might need a backup for henne. this is a whole different situation than last year in henne is being prepared to play now. so i believe if penny goes down then henne will be the guy.
the main reason i would rather have josh is because he has more experience compared to beck. beck may have more “potential” but its obvious the front office is gonna go with henne and not beck.
by jwillis9 on
Aug 21, 2008 5:35 PM EDT
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As bad as Cassell
looks in NE,after THREE years of getting ALL the extra snaps behind a very good OL,then why in the hell would anyone consider ANYONE a “bust” after less than the same amount of time with less to work with?
Beck looked pretty good in a lot of situations against Philly and Pitt. last year before he realized that this WASNT the BYU OL he had grown accustomed to and that he would be facing 7 and 8 in the box EVERY play because of our OL and the lack of weapons.
A good team with a good OL will pick him up and he may very well play himself into at least a back-up roll IF he doesnt see ghosts for the rest of his career…I’m sure a lot of good players have been ruined by lack of trust in their supporting cast and I’m just thankful that Henne wont have to suffer these SAME circumstances.
by buttonmashersrhilarious on
Aug 21, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
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I don't follow your logic.
If Cassell had turned it around in his 3rd year, that’d be a good example.
Anyway, Beck could indeed turn into a solid QB, but there’s no point in us taking the gamble. Let another team do it.
by joel311 on
Aug 21, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
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I would be delighted
to get a 4th. It would be a good deal for both teams, most likely. He doesnt fit what the Fins want to do but he could still develop somewhere else where he makes sense(ie a West Coast offense team).
by alskor on
Aug 21, 2008 6:48 PM EDT
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There is NO " logic" to one team STILL “grooming” an obvious bum with a dream job but another one giving up on a 5 game player with a laughable supporting cast.
Do you pick up what Im putting down now?..if not then bless your little heart.
He definetly needs to go somewhere else because Cam all but ruined him.
Im not a fan of starting rookie QB’s because of this very example BUT Henne would be fine to start because he came from a team that gave him time plus he had weapons and now Miami can give him time and we have weapons so the NFL game wont be such a shock to him and he can just be a QB and adjust to the speed etc. because he can STILL trust those around him like he did at Michigan.
by buttonmashersrhilarious on
Aug 21, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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How anyone thinks they can judge Beck based on last years performance is mind boggling. If Beck has blown his opportunity it happened this spring/summer – not from last year – at least it shouldn’t have.
by superduper on
Aug 22, 2008 1:01 AM EDT
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Beck stinks
Let’s trade him for a bag of chips.
by obiandandy on
Aug 22, 2008 3:32 AM EDT
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And people wonder why they say Miami's fans are a tough bunch to please!
To give up on Beck after last seasons performance is the height of stupidity.
If you weren’t doing well at your job because of the team around and the management, wouldn’t you feel slightly aggrieved.
He’s come into a new team, with new management and apart from the first week of training camp is performing the same as Henne and McCown. Just like the rest of us, if somebody switched the system you worked in the boss you worked for and a lot of the people who worked with then you’d take some time to adjust and then you’d get better.
I’m not saying start it him, but its got to be better than a couple of bad days at the office, oh well lets get rid of him.
If we were all judged the same way that people have judged Beck then we’d all be changing jobs. I’m just wondering how long it will take before everyone turns on Henne!
This might call for a poll if I can ever work out how to do it. How long before the Miami faithful turn on Henne and demand the management draft or trade for a QB with another 1st or 2nd round pick?
by DickDevil on
Aug 22, 2008 7:26 AM EDT
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To even compare
Beck’s performance to Henne’s is mind boggling. Henne has looked very good in a game time situation, while Beck has not. His only chance to be an NFL QB is to be traded to another team that will take the time to nurture him. We are not that team.
by joel311 on
Aug 22, 2008 9:43 AM EDT
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Slightly missed the point
I actually wasn’t comparing Beck to Henne, although now you mention it, good showing in training camps, some good performances in pre-season camps. Lots of people getting enthuastic about how this could be the QB for the future, ring any bells.
Plus the first two games in bad weather conditions and on the road, as starter Beck didn’t do too badly for somebody just thrown in, without any real number of reps with the first team (I think he was with the third team up until the week before he was put in.)
THE POINT IS, we need to give “young” QBs a period of stability before we can judge.
Unfortunately Beck got killed by a leaky OLine, no running game and a dodgy bunch of WR’s, also no firm game management by the coach and a locker room that bordered on out and out mutiny.
Then to top it off the management changed and everything gets thrown in the air, and fundamental changes are made to his throwing action, effectively putting him back quite a way in being able to throw the long ball.
Henne is actually looking more composed because the position is he is walking into is very stable from his point of view he doesn’t have to look over his left shoulder all the time because he knows the man mountain is there.
I think Henne can be a good QB for the dolphins, but we also need to give him the same chance and if he has one bad game (which if I remember rightly for Beck the game against the jets killed his stats), the Miami faithful do not jump up and down on his head the same way they did Beck.
If you think about my analogy with the job situation, if you walked into a job that was similar to Beck’s situation last season and I’d seriously consider walking out again.
You walk into a job like this years situation and you’d feel happy, comfortable and able to do your job properly.
by DickDevil on
Aug 22, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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I do not disagree
in the slightest that John Beck was given a raw deal last year. He did make some nice throws that were repeatedly dropped by receivers. I just think his chances in Miami are finished and I completely agree with the way SIP has handled this situation. He was given a chance to shake off last season, but now there is just too much of a risk that Beck is ruined for good. Let another team take a shot at it.
by joel311 on
Aug 22, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
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I disagree!
Using my job as an example…my job (ala being a quarterback) would not change just because of mangement or fellow employees. I would still have to do the shipping/recieveing/invetory things that I do now…how I report what I do might change but the physical day to day work wouldnt change becuase there is a finite definition to the job at hand. With a quarterback you can be rusty or make mistakes because of the system…but the system doesnt dictate how you physically throw the ball or your demeanor in the pocket. Beck just doesnt have the SELF-Confidince that Henne shows NOR the physical presense. I have seen the difference in the line play and how the guys hustle back to the huddle when either of the chads are in but they dont seem to give a shit when john or josh are in there. Now granted that was only the first preseason game but hey its obvious as orange and teal to me that everyone is lifted when either of the chads are in the huddle..
by unklphinnie on
Aug 22, 2008 1:18 PM EDT
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lots of QB needs out there..
might as well ask for the stars and hope to get the moon…er…or something like that
by dlux2561 on
Aug 22, 2008 10:49 AM EDT
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PLAIN & SIMPLE PEOPLE
These guys didnt pick Beck…he has shown them nothing…not even 3rd string talent…..so if they can get a 4th rd pick theyd jump on it.
Its Sunday afternoon.....do you know where your beer is?
by Rzayo24 on
Aug 22, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
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Agreed
The current staff put alot of work in with Beck and were actually impressed by his work ethic in the offseason, but once he got on the field Sparano and Co. were underwhelmed. By all accounts he’s a great guy and a hard-worker, but whether last year ruined his psyche or he just never had the cajones to lead an NFL team is a different argument. The bottom line is he hasn’t performed when this regime needed him to step up.
I was pro-Beck the entire offseason, feeling like he would be able to parlay all that offseason work into effective play on the field when given the chance. I’ve been at a couple practices and seen parts of the 2 preseason games, and Beck doesn’t look like he’s improved much.
My opinion, Beck is as good as gone. Pennington will start, McCown will back him up in the almost certain event that Chad gets hurt, and Henne will get a full year to learn and practice before being handed the starter job by the very end of this year or the very beginning of next year.
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by Little Nicky 21 on
Aug 22, 2008 1:28 PM EDT
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I agree with everything you said.
Except I believe Henne will start if Pennington gets hurt. So long as our OL has no injuries.
by joel311 on
Aug 22, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
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Awesome Blog
Good blog guys. Too me its simple, Beck isn’t showing that hunter/killer qb that we need, and will have with Henne. If, Pennington is around next year, he will be the backup and McCown or “Fill in the blank” will be third. I tried to back Beck, but bottom line is, he’s too soft in his approach too the game. Do you see him ripping the O-line and them backing down? No. We need a leader as well as a qb, sad for him, but they both have too be the same. Watch Lt. Henne when the team is his…..
by HuskerDolphin on
Aug 22, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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To "unklphinnie"
You wrote :
"I disagree!
Using my job as an example…my job (ala being a quarterback) would not change just because of mangement or fellow employees. I would still have to do the shipping/recieveing/invetory things that I do now…how I report what I do might change but the physical day to day work wouldnt change becuase there is a finite definition to the job at hand. With a quarterback you can be rusty or make mistakes because of the system…but the system doesnt dictate how you physically throw the ball or your demeanor in the pocket. Beck just doesnt have the SELF-Confidince that Henne shows NOR the physical presense. I have seen the difference in the line play and how the guys hustle back to the huddle when either of the chads are in but they dont seem to give a shit when john or josh are in there. Now granted that was only the first preseason game but hey its obvious as orange and teal to me that everyone is lifted when either of the chads are in the huddle.."
Your analogy is assuming that your prior supporting cast,starting with the “Scheduler”(Head Coach), wasnt a bunch of crackheads and as the “Warehouse Manager”(QB) you were not only trying to do your job but you have to deal with those around you ,that directly effect your ability to do your job, constantly Fing up their job and that in turn makes you look like an idiot !
Say for instance that your “scheduler” constantly overlapped freight arrival times and assigns them to the same dock door and that the receiving department constantly brought the trucks into the wrong dock door to be unloaded and that IF per adventure they did get them in the correct door the forklift driver without fail would damage some of the freight on every load he attempted to off load on to the dock.
You FINALLY get the freight to the correct door and FINALLY got it offloaded onto the dock only to find out that your crackhead “Inventory Clerk” had his head up his ass and ordered 1k more cases of product (A) of which you already have 10k in stock and (0) cases of product (B) of which you have none of.
You would have ZERO confidence in those around you and until the “new group” proved they werent a bunch of crackheads like your last co-workers,you would be constantly expecting the worst and would assume that the trucks would be staged wrong,the freight would get damaged and that you didnt need half the freight you did receive and would need more of what you didnt receive.
THANK GOD that the new “Warehouse Manager”(Henne) came from a well managed Warehouse and is coming into a work environment where his new co-workers had to pass a drug screen BEFORE being hired,have a GOOD track record and are more than capable of doing their job and now ALL he has to do is sit back in his comfortable chair in his Air Conditioned office and have the comfort of knowing that the other workers around him are doing their jobs correctly.
I dont know if Beck would have ever been able to excel in the NFL,he seemed to be bright and have a lot of the tools you look for in a QB prospect BUT now I dont think we ever will and it doesnt matter because PIS have guaranteed that Henne will have a smooth transition into the NFL and he should Thank God EVERY minute of EVERY day that he came to Miami when he did and NOT when he wouldve been surrounded by a bunch of crackheads.
by buttonmashersrhilarious on
Aug 22, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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took the analogy
a little far didn’t you? Bottom line, Henne looks to be the much better option at this point than Beck.
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by Little Nicky 21 on
Aug 22, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
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Did your coworkers offer you
some crack too?
by joel311 on
Aug 22, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
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Took the analogy
THAT far so maybe you would see just how flawed YOUR “analogy” was.
“Bottom line, Henne looks to be the much better option at this point than Beck.”
Bottom line…I wouldnt expect anything less.
by buttonmashersrhilarious on
Aug 22, 2008 5:11 PM EDT
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