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The QB Quandry; and other notes

So what happens now?

That's the question that many Dolphin fans are pondering as the 3rd week of training camp gets underway.  And now more than ever, there are even more question marks surrounding the most important position on the field.  Sure, John Beck had a solid, if unspectacular, preseason opener.  And Chad Henne looked quite good against Tampa Bay's 2nd team defense.  But now we add into the mix a Bill Parcells favorite: Chad Pennington.

Truth be told, the acquisition of Pennington is beginning to grow on me.  Not because I don't believe in the two young guys we already got, but because Pennington is clearly an upgrade over Josh McCown.  Pennington, at the very least, will not make too many mistakes. 

He's a smart player and I offer up this article as an example.  It's a breakdown that supposedly shows that Pennington throws the deep ball with more success than Brett Favre.  And it was written to put to bed the idea that Penning lacks arm strength.  Well, that's not what this article is showing.  Even a player who doesn't have great arm strength and can still chuck it deep.  The arm strength of a QB really comes into play when trying to squeeze a ball into tight spots or when throwing a pattern like a deep out, which allows the cornerback in coverage to make a break on the ball before it gets to the receiver.  What that article does show, however, is that Pennington makes very good decisions when taking chances down the field.  He doesn't force long throws like a gunslinger (a la Favre) would do.  And at this stage, a smart veteran QB is what this team needs.

Speaking of what this team needs, I can tell you what it doesn't need: 4 quarterbacks on the roster.  However, Tony Sparano seems to be telling us to expect Miami to keep all 4 QBs for at least a little while - and possibly into the regular season.  But I don't get it?  Wasn't Sparano worried about not having enough snaps for 3 QBs on the roster?  Now he's going to keep 4 and divide the reps among all of them?  Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather McCown's snaps get divided among the 2 young QBs (because young guys need reps) and Pennington (to develop chemistry with new players).  From where I stand, it just doesn't make sense for McCown to remain in camp right now.

PREPARE FOR TOUGH PRACTICES AHEAD
That's the message for everybody on the roster right now.  This week is going to be a very big week.  Now it's time to figure out who will and who won't be around anymore come September.  And according to Sparano, it's time to tell it like it is:

“We’re kind of out of the hurtin’ people’s feelings business right now. We’re getting into the real deal.”

Among those positions where improvement is much needed are wide receiver and special teams.  Kick and punt coverage was very disappointing on Saturday night and Tony Sparano and company will not tolerate that.  As for the receivers, everyone outside of Ted Ginn should be on notice: dropped balls are completely unacceptable and Sparano seems to be losing his patience with it.

This is surely going to be a fun week ahead - for us fans, not so much for the players - as we head towards preseason game #2.

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When Tony talks..

People better listen. Cuts are coming up!
August 26 – Roster cutdown to maximum of 75 players!
August 30 – Roster cutdown to maximum of 53 players!

Bada Bing!

by Jersquall on Aug 12, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sparano admitted

he’s worried about the snaps in the presser this morning???
my guess is the democratic snap count has come to an end… and today will be the standard.
Penny getting most of the first team snaps in an effort to get him up to speed, Henne will get the
leftovers as the coaches try to figure out if he is truely ready to take over the team (allowing them to cut beck and/or mccown), and the other two get what they can.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 12, 2008 12:41 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This weekend

Chad P will probably get into the game but does Tony S drop each QB into each quarter during the game? I wonder…

by Jersquall on Aug 12, 2008 12:46 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not likely

they have to start focusing on getting the team ready to play… game 4 is for the cut liners…. so they have 2 games left
and expect penny to play the 1st half, and henne to play most of the rest.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 12, 2008 12:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would like that

Just hope he has enough playbook in his head to play a half.

by Jersquall on Aug 12, 2008 12:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unbelievable...

I have NEVER heard so many folks argue about who will be their teams 3rd string QB before…

We should be happy we finally have someone here who appears to know how to play the position. Been a while since we said that.

Definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

by azphinner on Aug 12, 2008 12:53 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 2 young QBs (because young guys need reps)

LOL. We gave 1 young QB, Henne. Please say anything good about Beck that you can find, but don’t try to pass him off as young. Inexperienced maybe, but not young.

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

by Neo on Aug 12, 2008 1:03 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unless Beck starts playing with the spirit of Joseph Smith in him....

he’s done.

Tuna and Co knew what they got in Pennington – a very accurate passer who is also injury prone. They’ll still want a veteran to turn the team over to if/when Pennington goes down and that’s McCown. At that point he’ll be on a short leash if Henne builds on his performance against the Bucs. One could even argue that Henne showed us more on those few preseason possessions that Beck has in his short and so far dismal NFL career. Its hard to develop one qb during practice and preseason, much less two, so sooner than later, we’ll need to pick the one we think has the best chance and stick with him until he proves one way or the other what he’s capable of

I know lots of folks like Beck, and I have nothing against him, but its hard for me to understand this allegiance that people have developed for him without really even seeing him play very much football. Sparano said you don’t need the qb to win the game for you. Well you sure need the qb to not lose the game, and as much as we’re in rebuilding mode, my insides twist and turn with every loss. I don’t want the premature development of any qb to come at the cost of winning games and that means having some vets on the team ahead of that 1 guy you’re developing who will minimize mistakes and keep your defense from being on the field all the time. Oh, and please don’t tell me that rebuilding means you want less wins resulting in higher draft picks…you can do as much with a 6th rounder as you might get out of a 1st rounder (see Donald Thomas vs. all of our drafts for the last 8 years)

by winplease on Aug 12, 2008 1:23 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

He played 4 games in less then favorable conditions and with a crappy team around him.
Plus rookies kind of have a habit of struggling in their first year, maybe playing him did screw him though or maybe he’ wasnt that good to begin with who knows?

I dont get the animosity the guy gets though.

Why so serious?

by Patssuck456 on Aug 12, 2008 10:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

J. Beck

’’I know lots of folks like Beck, and I have nothing against him, but its hard for me to understand this allegiance that people have developed for him without really even seeing him play very much football.’’ -winplease

I dont think there are that many Quack Beck fans left here.. He had his chance like everyone else and he is going to possibly be the odd man out. I had high hopes for him but I think I am a Chad fan now. Which Chad? Take your pick.

by Jersquall on Aug 12, 2008 1:29 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still would rather have Beck on the roster than McCown

I can’t stand McCown, and i know what his potential is, whereas Beck might still improve. All things the same, I would rather get rid of McCown.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 12, 2008 1:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would actually rather have McCown now

I am so sick of hearing about fumbled snaps by Beck. He may be more accurate than McCown but at the price of so many fumbles? I’ll pass on Beck. The only reason its hard to let go of Beck is because he was a 2007 second rounder, and I’m also very sick of seeing our history of wasted draft picks.

by mikey2380 on Aug 12, 2008 3:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, and in spite of all the haters putting the anti-Beck spin on it

it was a fumble that could have happened to any QB in that situation. There were two blown blocking assignments on that play.

It’s not like the Fins D has never cause Manning or Brady to fumble. It happens.

And last year it happened because of inexperience, so I kind of expect that we are not going to see it be a common problem like last year. But all the anti-Beck folks want to point to one fumble and shout, “SEEEE???!!!! JUST LIKE LAST YEAR!!!!”.

;)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 12, 2008 11:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the reason?

And one cause for wasting draft picks is having a new coaching staff every year that doesn’t feel like developing the young guys drafted by the previous regime. And that’s pretty much what I’m getting sick of right now, since by the looks of it, Beck will be the odd man out -because otherwise, McCown would already be gone.
I mean, fans will always be the impatient fools expecting stardom in a year, but coaches should know better than just going “I didn’t draft this guy” or “I don’t know this guy” as if they had to sleep with the guy’s sister before trusting him with a starting job. If fans accounted for all NFL GMs but one, that one GM would win the Super Bowl within 5 years just by picking up all the talent the others would squander, and if every team but one changed coaches every year, it’d likely be the exact same thing.

by icerob on Aug 12, 2008 10:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so in other words....

you too are saying that you would rather see Beck stick and get rid of McCown?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 12, 2008 11:22 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C'mon left...

you are now talking out of both sides of your mouth dude!

Anti-beck, pro-beck blah blah.

Take a stand dude! And don’t tell me you are just going to ‘wait and see’.

Besides, as is now obvious, Beck is scout team fodder, if he’s lucky, or outright traded/cut otherwise.

by Natalya on Aug 12, 2008 11:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you are incorrect, ma'am.

my stand has never changed.

1) I have never been for the McCown signing. I believe you were the one that was saying that he would be the starter.
2) I have consistently stated that McCown is what he is, which means that we know he is not a game winner. no real upside to him.
3) I have consistently maintained that Beck has not had a fair shake, and that last year’s performance should be written off as a coaching failure.
4) I have consistently stated my belief that Beck has upside that has not yet been developed.
5) I have also been consistent in stating that I am a Fin Fan First, and would not be unhappy with ANY QB who can step up and play, so I am not tied to Beck.

Just because I laughed at the Beck/Quack posts, doesn’t mean that I think he has no upside.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 12, 2008 12:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course I would...

... but I’m beginning to think common sense will lose this batlle. I guess this is a “who drafted who” league, as in “I didn’t draft him, so I can just cut him” and, from the fans point of view, “they didn’t draft Quinn, so cut Beck!”.

Yup, despite the fact that Quinn is bench fodder, I still think the anti-Beck sentiment driving a portion of the fans comes from resentment against Cam and Randy for passing on Quinn.

Then again, if the coaching staff doesn’t plan on letting Beck take another snap the rest of camp, they might as well cut him and keep McCown, who at least should be able to teach Henne a thing or 2. I suppose that’s what the quandry is.

In any case, the Pennington signing was a good one, and as long as we don’t get another coaching staff next year that decides it needs to dump Henne “because he’s not their guy” and spend another 2nd rounder on a QB (and if Parcells pulls a Saban it might happen, especially if coach Chin is available), we might be ok down the road with Henne.

Gosh, we should’ve kept Bates as HC…

by icerob on Aug 12, 2008 3:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Feely

Reportedly released according to ProFootballTalk.com. The way Carpenter has been going, it would make sense to me.

by nriehl on Aug 12, 2008 9:14 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really, who cares about Beck anymore

(or McCown) – these guys will be either cut, traded, or running the scout team at best.

So what we have then is Pennington getting the majority of the reps with Henne getting what’s left over.

Provided he’s healthy, the Pennington move is solid. Unlike Trent Green who was old and off his worst season or Pepp coming off a terrible injury – Pennington is in good shape (kicking the tires sort to speak).

The biggest problem I’m seeing now is the absolute lack of consistency with the receivers. If these guys keep playing at the mediocre level we are presently seeing – dropping passes etc – then Ricky & Ronnie will surely be greeted with 8 man fronts on almost every down. Ginn really needs to show he is a #1 receiver because we certainly don’t otherwise have one. Wilford needs to get some separation on his routes and be a bit more fluid plus hold on to the ball. With Hagan it is getting to be an old story – great size and great practices translating into drops and being invisible on game day.

by Natalya on Aug 12, 2008 9:56 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do dammit!

I want Matty to draft him on his FF team!
:)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 12, 2008 11:23 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's because

I agree with your concerns about the receivers. Without any real (re: consistent, reliable) game breakers or threats at wideout, then you open yourself up to have a D key on your running game.

by Natalya on Aug 12, 2008 11:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope - at least not what you posted above...

Beck doesn’t look, act, or perform like an NFL level QB. He looks absolutely scared when he’s in the pocket, he throws his passes low, and for all the he has big hands talk he can’t consistently hold on to the ball and thus fumbles regularly. When he was given a shot at being the starter last year his performances went from bad to worse. I don’t think people figured he’d be another Marino or start beating the Patriots but he had to show something on the field – some impressive throws and flashes of talent that really stood out and showed he had what it took at this level – even if the team was losing.

I think the guy is out of his league in the NFL. Between all of last year, the training camps, the practices, the preseason, the starts he had last year, this year’s camp, this year’s preseason – and the thousands of passes he’s thrown in all of those – he still looks uncertain and uncomfortable in the pocket, he still looks like a 3rd-tier QB out on the field. The reality is that the guy should have been maybe a 5th or 6th round choice – someone you develop in the long term after a few years on the bench as a potential, solid #2 guy – then his performance would be consummate with his draft status.

Again the end result and the reason Beck is largely irrelevant now is that he’s going to be scout team fodder in a few weeks or gone from the team. That’s basically indisputable so no point in debating what the #3 or #4 guy should’ve, could’ve done.

by Natalya on Aug 12, 2008 12:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

I was joking. I know you don’t agree with me about Beck.

(hater)

;)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 12, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I GET NO LOVE!!!!! I POSTED THIS ALREADY MATTY I!!

NO LOVE…I STINKIN FOUND THIS ARTICLE AND POSTED IT YESTERDAY.

I SHOULD WORK FOR YOU MATTY

Its Sunday afternoon.....do you know where your beer is?

by Rzayo24 on Aug 12, 2008 12:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeap you did post it...

the one showing where Pennington is more successful, per throw, than Favre on deep passes.

by Natalya on Aug 12, 2008 12:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hopefully

Beck and McCown will both be cut when we sign Chris Simms later on this month.

by obiandandy on Aug 12, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not like i wrote it or anything...

but i thought it was a cool lil find by espn. those numbers dont lie. just cuz it isnt hard doesnt mean it isnt deep….pennington is a lethal…ninja like qb…..NINJA LIKE ACCURACY

Its Sunday afternoon.....do you know where your beer is?

by Rzayo24 on Aug 12, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And we are still transfixed on who the 3rd QB will be for the Dolphins...

Unbelievable. Whoever it is probably won’t even see the field this year, yet you folks are arguing like they will play 70% of the downs…

Definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

by azphinner on Aug 12, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cuz it's fun!

don’t rain on our parade!
;)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 12, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THE POINT IS........

WHOMEVER ISNT THE 3RD QB WILL BE CUT. SO IT MATTERS. CHILLAX

Its Sunday afternoon.....do you know where your beer is?

by Rzayo24 on Aug 12, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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