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Final thoughts on first preseason game

Yesterday I posted some quick thoughts on the Dolphins loss to the Bucs on Saturday night.  I told you all I'd have a more comprehensive review today, and that's what I'm hoping to provide.  I re-watched the 1st half of the game and jotted down some things I noticed.  So let's get to it.

JOHN BECK & CHAD HENNE
Where else would we start than with these two.  First off, let's talk John Beck.  I know his 5 for 9 stat line isn't all that impressive.  But I think some of those plays to the fullbacks were designed.  So don't go saying he was "checking down too much" just yet.  Remember that Tony Sparano wants to see if both fullbacks can catch the football and then make a play.  And on both of those plays, it seemed like John looked right at the FBs as if they were the primary receiver on the play.  And both were solid, positive plays.

Also, on the screen pass that John threw into the ground, that wasn't a bad throw.  In fact, it was a very smart play and shows that he has a high "football IQ."  On the play, the back got held up and wasn't open for John to make the throw.  So he smartly threw it into the ground before the lineman got upfield and the team suffered an "ineligible man down field" penalty.  Those who think he should have held on and looked down the field must not have realized that.  That was actually an example of good "game management."

The only thing I would have liked to see John do differently probably would have been to take a chance on a throw when Ronde Barber blitzed from the CB spot.  He might have had an opening to fit the ball into Derek Hagan down the field, but it would have been close.  The safety was also in the area.  So John erred on the side of caution and took the sack.  But I guess I should keep in mind that if John made the throw and it got picked off, people would be screaming that he should have just "ate it" and not made taken the chance.  I guess the old saying is that "hindsight is always 20/20."  All in all, a solid, if unspectacular, start for Beck against the NFL's #1 pass defense in 2007.

Moving onto Chad Henne, it's easy to see why many are very high on him.  He had a solid performance and made some very nice throws.  He showed poise, both in the huddle and in the pocket, and good arm strength on a number of throws.  Also, his decision to throw the ball away down the left sideline on that 2nd down play from Tampa's 29 was very smart.

However, I don't think we should get too excited just yet.  First off, Henne faced mostly 2nd teamers.  So if anyone thinks he could step into the starting role right now based on his performance the other night, I'd say that's a little bit of a reach.  He wasn't up against the likes of Ronde Barber and Phillip Buchanon.  Also, Henne had some solid pass protection.  The line did a great job of providing Henne with a pocket to step up into on a number of his throws.  So, though I'm very encouraged at what I saw, I'm going to not get too excited.  After all, everyone was impressed with Beck's preseason last year and now many of those same people are ready to see John handed a pink slip.  Remember, this is just preseason.

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OFFENSIVE LINE
I'll be honest here.  I was a little disappointed in what I saw.  I think our first team offensive line struggled a bit against Tampa's 1st team in the first quarter.  Ronnie had nowhere to run on his first two carries and they struggled to pick up Tampa's occasional blitzes (a la Barber's sack).  Let's just say there's still a lot of room to improve here.  Oh, and the depth at the tackle spot will be an issue if either Jake Long or Vernon Carey have to miss any time.  Ike Ndukwe is not going to get the job done.

THE DEFENSE
I'll admit that I was pleasantly surprised by how well the 1st team defense performed during that 1st quarter, especially without Vonnie Holliday and Joey Porter.  Phillip Merling and Kendall Langford both look like they are going to be key contributors this year despite being rookies.  And I'm very excited about their future here in Miami.  Both were involved in stopping the run and both got a good push at times when rushing the quarterback.

I also liked what I saw from both starting safeties.  Yeremiah Bell was all over the field at times, making plays against the run and against the pass.  Jason Allen pleasantly surprised me with his play - especially the way he broke up the pass intended for Antonio Bryant on that 3rd and 2 play on Tampa's 2nd possession.

But speaking of 3rd down, this is an issue that plagued the Dolphins all last year and was an issue again on Saturday.  They can't get off the field on 3rd down.  The Bucs were 11/20 on 3rd downs, which is unacceptable.  Also, the lack of a pass rush at times was frightening.  Too many times, the Bucs' QB had plenty of time to sit in the pocket and find the open man.  And with a suspect set of corners to begin with, we can't allow opposing QBs all day to make throws.  I also think that this Matt Roth "experiment" at outside linebacker isn't going so well.  He'll probably be stout against the run.  But he just seems too slow as an edge pass rusher and he doesn't have any moves, simply trying to bull-rush the blocker every time.  Hopefully, though, this was just something to try out while Joey Porter was given the night off.  I'm anxious to see how he's going to be used in this defense.

QUICK HITS
-Will Allen wasn't exactly as impressive as he's been reportedly looking in practice, with Michael Clayton toasting him for what should have been a big play if not for the fact that Clayton dropped the ball.

-Speaking of drops, Ernest Wilford is playing himself off of the first team.  Not only was he unable to create much separation, but he dropped 2 balls (one of which was as good a throw as can be).  Luckily for Wilford, Hagan also had a drop.  But some reports indicate that Hagan's move up to 1st team in place of Wilford could be permanent.

-Jayson Foster did nothing to set himself apart, even muffing a punt.  I get the feeling that Ted Ginn's return duties are safe for now.

-David Kircus, however, did set himself apart.  He's now clearly in the thick of things in the WR battle.  Ginn, Hagan,and Wilford are locks.  Kircus, along with Davone Bess (who had a few catches but didn't really do too much), Greg Camarillo (who was invisible), and Foster are in a very interesting battle for the 4th and 5th WR spots.

-Jalen Parmele is impressive for a late-round rookie.  He runs with power and really finishes his runs.

-Speaking of RBs, it was good to Ronnie get some action.  But Ricky stole the show, making some highlight-reel runs and receiving the largest cheer from the Dolphin Stadium crowd.

That's it for now.  If you made it through that entire thing, kudos to you!!

And as always, your thoughts below...

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After watching the game a little closer today on NFL Channel…

QB’s – Agree that I think both Beck and Henne “managed” the game nicely. Reading quotes in some of the papers and such about how Beck did nothing but checkdown, etc. is a complete joke. Who cares if he dumps off to Grigsby who gains 15 yards on the play or if he fires a bullet over the middle to Ginn for a 15 yard gain? Take what the defense gives you and that is the impression I got from Beck. (Get used to it as that is what you will see from Pennington) I think Henne looked very confident and has a gun. REALLY want to see him with the first team o-line against a first team defense. (Even Sparano said that he kept the first team o-line in there last night when Henne came in so they both had the same opportunity.) McCown did not impress at all in my mind. Folks made a deal about him playing with the 3rd stringers, etc. Well, so did Chris Simms and he didn’t struggle when he came in…

RB’s – Ricky looked really good. Not worried too much about Ronnie as – if you remember – he didn’t exactly light the world on fire last year in the pre-season either. Parmale runs real hard and Cobb also knows he is in a fight for his job.

WR’s – Kircus looked like the only one who can get separation. We need to find a way to get Ginn the ball in space. Bess looked good catching the ball as well. FOr everyone ripping Wilford on his drops – one of them was a bad throw by Henne if you watch again.

Defense – First team D-LIne played well, especially without Holliday and Porter. Ferguson is a beast and Langford and Merling really looked exciting. (This will be a strength for this team late in the season as these guys get experience.) A lot was made of Bennett’s rushing stats, but he was in the game into the 4th qtr and a lot of his yds came in the 2nd half, so not sure I would be too excited here. Great to see Bell back on the field, he made several plays last night and should have had an INT that hit him in the numbers.

Special Teams – Looks like they will use Ginn like the Redskins used to use Darrell Green on punt returns – put him in when you need something exciting to happen or you have field position. Feeley better get back on the field soon…..

Definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

by azphinner on Aug 11, 2008 12:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Porter...

I must have missed why he was held out. Was it precautionary because of an injury or just so they could ‘experiment’ with his OLB spot? Or all of the above?

by OntheGo on Aug 11, 2008 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they know what they have with Porter and Holliday

I think they were both held out to explore the depth at LB and DE.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 11, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

QB's

Does it really matter what Beck and Henne do? Isn’t Pennington the heir apparent to the role of re-tread QB that this organization is infamous for? They bring in and draft guys to be the “man”, yet when an average QB gets dumped w/ less than a month to go, everyone knows Miami’s making calls. I’m tired of the Feely’s, Lucas’, Frerrottes, Culpeppers, and Greens!!!

We're talkin' about PRACTICE....practice!

by hotrod43 on Aug 11, 2008 12:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What a stupid statement

No one has said Pennington is the answer, Shut up and think before you post next time

Why so serious?

by Patssuck456 on Aug 11, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patssuck456 i don't know

wish thread have you been reading, but if you have been arounf the phinsider, then you have notice that people are talking about penniless like the sayvior of the franchise. hotrod43 did have a point on his comment, if you didn’t like it, that is OK!! but to make a responce like that is inmature and childish.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Aug 11, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry then

Its just taht tings can get heated in here.

Why so serious?

by Patssuck456 on Aug 11, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know!! LOL

The most important thing is that we lov our beloved Dolphins and now we are in a cricis. LOL
Ps Hopefully we will see the light at the end of the thunnel( It’s me or this thunnel is kind of LONG LOL)

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Aug 11, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm with you

time to put in Henne… he’s ready.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posted this earlier under your other thread

My two cents I just watched the game through in detail. Here are my thoughts:

- I agree with the general majority assessment that Henne clearly played best among the QBs. Nat’s description of his read and arm strength is right on.

- Beck looked like he was executing a short passing script. I wonder if that was intentional by the coaches?

- Beck didn’t play poorly. Especially in light of the facts that he had some drops, and he was playing against the Bucs 1st string D. Henne just played better.

- McCown should be packing his bags.

- Preseason, preseason, preseason! No real game plan was obvious on offense or defense. Pretty vanilla. Nothing to give away any playbook secrets.

- Taking into account the nature of the first preseason game, I actually was pretty pleased with a number of things:
First, the starting defense played very well without Vonnie or Joey in there, which I hope means they will be even better with them in there.
Second, the Fins D mostly held their own until the second half, which shows that they have some quality depth at several positions, including LB and DE. NT is a problem after Ferg, and DB looks like it’s thin.
Third, I saw some really good things from some of the rookies, including Langford and Merling who seemed to be getting pretty good pressure.
Fourth, with the starting O-line in against the Bucs starting D, the Dolphins offense did not suck. I had no doubt while watching the first part of the game, that with a named starting QB, an actual Dan Henning offensive game plan, that this offense could actually move the ball. (and maybe an upgrade at WR. Bess and Kircus look like starters, and I think Ginn’s disappearance had more to do with Beck than him not getting open).

All in all, I think this was a good first step for the team, and I have confidence that Sparano and Parcells will be able to use this game to build on.

IMO

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 10, 2008 6:06 PM PDT

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 11, 2008 12:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good assessments...

Great comments by LCFF, hotrod, azphinner, and Matty… I watched most of the game and I basically agree with what’s been said. There will be an interesting battle at QB, and I agree that McCown should be the odd man out. I can’t imagine them keeping 4 qbs or them cutting Beck, Henne, or Pennington (since he’s a “Parcells” guy). I think that Parcells and co. would love to pick the brain of Pennington about the Jets’ offense moving into the regular season. While cutting Beck is somewhat realistic (read earlier reports), I think it would be a foolish move and this regime should know that. Admittedly, I’m a Beck fan, I like guys who play smart and that’s mostly what Beck did tonight, and those fullback checkdowns appeared to be designed plays to see if the fullbacks could catch and make something happen (and were successful I might add). He probably shouldn’t have taken that sack by Barber but at least he showed some poise and didn’t throw an INT but stayed in the pocket and made the smart play. This is preseason and we can’t take a lot from it, but this defense looks charged up behind Crowder and I think we’ll see them return to form and not repeat last years debaucle. I’ve been a lifetime Dolphins fan and am finally excited for what may be, even if this year ends up somewhat of a disappointment, because I think the core of this team has some growing/gelling to do and could be a force for years to come. We should all be pretty excited about some stability, even if we have to wait for our franchise QB to emerge (which I think will likely be either Beck or Henne- and Henne has the edge for this brief moment)...

by ss80 on Aug 11, 2008 1:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great write up Matty

QB’s I agree Johnny looked much more ready and made several heady plays. Yes, I like Henne’s arm but if he keeps locking on to his WRs in a “Real” game he will be the INT king of the Dolphins. Then again Henne is this years “flavor.” Last year it was Beck in the TB preseason game that everyone raved about so we shall see. The one worry I have about this years team is Where are our Wide Recievers??? We have just maybe 4 “Good Hands” people and Hagan/Wilford aren’t on the list plus if all Hagan can do (while trying to block) is hold I say lets get “Just gimme the D… Ball” out of retirement and put him to work cause, at least, he knows how to block and won’t have the dropeses.

by gafinfan on Aug 11, 2008 6:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just watched the game

With the time Henne had to throw and against TB’s 2nd team D,anything less than what he did would have me worried..he looked ok but he should have under those circumstances.

Pretty obvious the throws to the FB’s were scripted and Beck executed them as he should have but you could really tell the difference between TB’s 1st team D and their 2nd team because Henne’s throwing lanes were WIDE OPEN and so was Kircus..our OLine needs a lot of time together and hopefully they will become a solid unit.

Beck did good overall but I think he did great considering what happened to him last year and when he realizes he can trust the OLine…he should do very well.

I like McCown as a person but he simply has to go..hes had 6 years and it just isnt going to work out for him.

Ricky = STUD

Our 1st team D looked pretty good…liked J.Allen diving to bat that pass down and the 2 rook’s looked very good.

Fields looked good and I didn’t really see what Omar was talking about when he said how slooooooow he was getting his punts off..who knows.

Carpenter looked good last night but I didnt see any touchbacks and we know that Feeley is very consistent so unless Carpenter can give us touchbacks it would seem even or advantage Feeley given his proven consistency over the long haul.

I expected our Special Teams to look a lot better than they did.

I didnt expect world beaters given a new coach,system,multiple players etc. and I know this will take time but we seem to have a REAL problem at WR.

I like the PIS approach and so I’ll be very patient and trust them to right this ship…probably going to be 3 years but I’m ok with that as long as mediocre doesnt become the norm again.

by buttonmashersrhilarious on Aug 11, 2008 6:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'll say it if nobody else does...

in my mind, John Beck was his usual pedestrian, garden-variety, mediocre self.

I mean seriously, here in reflecting on this game, Matty is at pains to explain this guy’s performance using up 3 paragraphs! Yet no matter how much rationalization goes into it, the throw that Henne made to Kircus on the 3rd down conversion is one we’ve never seen Beck make.

I looked at John Beck this past saturday and saw the same Beck of last year who started several games:

putting the ball on the ground? check.
throwing short the vast majority of the time? check.
not leading a single scoring drive? check

Beck has now worked himself to either the #3 spot, at best, or entirely off the team.

The receivers, especially Hagan and Wilford, are clearly having problems with a bad case of the dropsies. I’ve come to expect that from Hagan but for what Wilford came on, there’s no way he should be having these issues. You can only hope it is a bad streak that will end itself quickly during the preseason.

Matt Roth at OLB I don’t see working and I doubt anyone here does either.

by Natalya on Aug 11, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

John had a good day. We are a run first team and also we are going to have a short passing attack. As you can see in the game becks primary recievers on two plays was the fullback and when he was open he hit him. This was scripted.

by marshy913 on Aug 11, 2008 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely, Nat.

However, I’m a little surprised that Matty failed to mention Beck’s fumble, when it was the single biggest issue he had last year.

Ok great, Beck managed the game well…if you consider well not putting the ball in the endzone, or any points on the board. There are a lot of QB’s in the NFL, and unemployed, who can manage the game well, but not put any points on the board. Beck shows an unwillingness to throw the ball down the field. Yes, the throws to the FB’s were scripted.

I was never anti-Beck. In fact, I wanted him in last year after Green went down. I’m still waiting for him to show me that he is a quality QB in this league.

by dab415217 on Aug 11, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I seriously don't see how you can make too much out of that fumble

Last year the guy was dropping the ball because, well, just because he was dropping the ball.

This fumble would have seen guys like Tom Brady in the same situation. Thomas let his guy get a hand on Beck as Ricky’s blown block got him from the blindside. I would have been worried if no one touched Beck and he just dropped the ball like last year, but this was a play you have to look at as prone to happen once in a while. If it continues to happen, I’d be concerned.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 11, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup, yup, & yup

~However, I’m a little surprised that Matty failed to mention Beck’s fumble, when it was the single biggest issue he had last year~

the articles in his man-crush prevent non rose colored analysis.

Ok great, Beck managed the game well…if you consider well not putting the ball in the endzone, or any points on the board. There are a lot of QB’s in the NFL, and unemployed, who can manage the game well, but not put any points on the board. Beck shows an unwillingness to throw the ball down the field~

if i got this right, any old lemon would do??

~Yes, the throws to the FB’s were scripted.~
not according to sparano's mmpresser.... just check down reading the play.

~ was never anti-Beck. In fact, I wanted him in last year after Green went down. I’m still waiting for him to show me that he is a quality QB in this league.~~

i’m in the same boat…its just with Henne around it wont be with the phins

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't necessarily agree Nat,

I think Beck did what he was told to do, and I think there is a method to the madness. I would guess that he pretty much did what the coaches expected him to do in this first start, and that was to get out there and mange the game without making any major mistakes as the starter. He certainly looked better than McCown! But I am already on record as saying that Henne played best, by far, and I was very excited to see him play that well. I would not be unhappy with Henne winning the job at some point, because he can definitely make the throws. As far as the sack/fumble, it looked like Ricky whiffed on his guy that he was supposed to block. I think Beck did pretty good to hang onto the ball.
I’ll bet Beck gets another chance next week, and I’ll bet they call some plays downfield for him.

The WRs… ugh! That’s a definite problem area. And then they show the commercial of Chris Chambers with his back to the jugs machine, catching a ball in each hand, and then a third between the first two…. (the magic of Hollywood!). Really makes you realize that we don’t have a guy that can reach out and snag a ball that should be uncatchable (see Braylon Edwards vs. Jets), much less a set of guys who can just catch the damn ball when it hits ‘em in the hands!
Although Kircus is looking better and better, and Bess still looks pretty good.

Totally agree about Roth. I think he is depth at this point. However, anyone see Charlie Anderson? The guy is a beast!

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 11, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nat!!

as usual, you nailed the criticism(positive, i think?) to Josh Beck, but again you failed or misses to notice that our coaching staff didn’t do “scuat” to rectify the problems from last year. Maybe you were to preocupy with Beck situation and you are eager to help make his bags. In reality Beck is allmost out of town, but ypu still worry about his performance, but negleted to check the coaching staff performance. Last year , if i remember correctly, if cam-cam have a game like this, the cam-cam hater camp were burning cam-cam photos and calling the thunder god to light his car or something. Looks like you hate is now ONLY on Beck and what ever happen to the team is, for now, not that important to you.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Aug 11, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my goodness

its a friggin preseason game and every thing looked well orginized … give it a rest until they lose a game at least.

but ypu still worry about his performance, but negleted to check the coaching staff performance. Last year , if i remember correctly, if cam-cam have a game like this, the cam-cam hater camp were burning cam-cam photos and calling the thunder god to light his car or something. Looks like you hate is now ONLY on Beck and what ever happen to the team is, for now, not that important to you.

plus cam was already showing signs of being in a little too deep…

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your biased Beck-riding is sickening...

Ughh! You are really making visiting this site a waste of time. Yeah, you post frequently, which is why I like to check out what’s the latest…but your biases are blinding your judgements. And even when the rook outplays the vet Beck, you still twist what happened into Beck didn’t do “too bad” and Henne didn’t do “too good”. Barf.

by mred on Aug 11, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Answer me this:

Was Beck not against the 1st team defense and Henne not against the 2nd team defense?

by Matty I on Aug 11, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Henne's Best Passes

Weren’t because of poor coverage. He threw the ball in the only spot where the receiver could catch it.

John Beck didn’t make those throws last year’s preseason when he was against guys about to be cut.

Beck may not have it, Matty. Though I will concede that it ain’t over yet. I will also go on the record that I’m no longer pulling for the guy. He just leaves me cold (technical I know).

In any case, I think the Buccaneers had a mix during the first series for Henne. After that it was guys like Aqib Talib and their up and comers. Talib looked pretty solid. So much for smoking weed, or whatever the knock on him was.

www.thephinisher.com

by The Phinisher on Aug 11, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Beck didnt play as awful as some people seem to think

Yes he fumbled and thats certanly an issue, but at least he jumped back on the ball quickly.

Why so serious?

by Patssuck456 on Aug 11, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great he's improving

he still fumbles… but now he anticipates it and “jumps on it quickly”

consider me under whelmed.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't know if it's

Beck or the Beckies but some of it they just make too easy….

Granted its not OTG’s hanging chads….

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but...

since you jumped on it quickly – er, the reply – you are getting better right?

by Natalya on Aug 11, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are you smoking

How can you call a kid who gets thrown into the wolves and gets the crap knocked out of him time and time again a Vet QB because that’s pretty much what happened last year. Yeah he has a couple of pro games under his belt but, he’s not Ben or Carlson. He’s pretty much on the same playinging field as Henne. I’m not a Biased Beck supporter, I just want our team to win whoever the QB. A lot of you guys aren’t giving this kid a fair chance and like it’s been said multiple times. He played against the number one defense in football and as well as Henne played it was against the second string.
As great as you guys say Henne is he should’nt have done any worse. If anything he should’ve lit them up with all the time he seemed to have to throw. Both of these guys are young and whoever seems to develop quicker and become the leader for this team I’m all for but, you can’t sit here and bash a kid for what he’s been dealt with. I’m just excited that this team is finally going in the right direction. It’s been hard being a dedicated dolphin fan over the past couple of years as we all know.
As far as the drop passes go I hoped it cost them a couple hours in the sweat box. (lol)

by D0lphins4Life on Aug 11, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, wait!!!!

You are saying that Beck is not Carlson or Ben, but then again, Beck don’t have an OL nor the receivers that those two guys have. Put Ben or Carlson in Miami last year and wash then cry!!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Aug 11, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

KID???

what the heck… Henne at 23 might be a kid

Beck at 28 is pretty much middle ages as a QB.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marino and his All-Pro line and great receiving corp was bad for Miami!

Last year,after Becks 3rd start,the “gurus” were already bashing him to which Dan replied “Hey,I walked into a great situation,we had a great line and good receivers so its WAY TO EARLY to expect much!”.

I’m not the brightest person in the world but some of you guys are truly amazing.

You seem to think that regardless of personnel,a QB should be able to light up the scoreboard even if he has minimal to no time to throw it and when he does have time no WR has seperation…you say “dink and dunk and always checking down” but were he to try and force a pass where there simply isnt anything and throw an INT then it would be “Hes an INT machine!”

Some people even blamed Bradys subpar performance in the SB on his foot when in reality,NY was in his face all night and didn’t give him time to read and when he did have time,the deep routes were covered and the best he could do was short “checkdowns” and he looked below average.

Im in no way comparing Brady and Beck, but I am comparing two QB’s who look mediocre at best given the same circumstances.

When some of you see a QB take a three step drop,pat the ball two or three times as he surveys the field,step up into the pocket and deliver a laser to a wide open receiver downfield for a TD do you think to yourselves..”That QB is freakin’ awesome dude!”...do you also brag and gloat about Montana,Aikman or Bradshaws SB rings and never even look at the OLine and receivers and backs those teams had?Of course you don’t..I dont know why but it is what it is.

Pennington is a very capable QB and has proven hes NFL material so NOW you will be able to accurately gauge how good or bad the OLine and WR’s and other QB’s are…If CP can sit back there all day against 1st team D’s and pick them apart when others cant THEN you can say a particular QB sucks, but if he seems to play poorly then just maybe the light will turn on and you will realize that any average QB with time and weapons looks great but even those labled great look mediocre without time and weapons.

No one knows who will pan out and who won’t within the next two or three years but you’re wasting your time looking for “the next Marino” because until Miami gets a dominate OLine and a very good receiving corp,you will be looking for him until the day you die only to be disappointed year after year and still saying “Our QB sucks!”

by buttonmashersrhilarious on Aug 11, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Props

Finally someone who is still grounded and not on some other planet.

by D0lphins4Life on Aug 12, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's nothing wrong with living on some other planet.

You probably even have a friend living on uranus.

:)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 12, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BUTTON

I think you shut them right up. Your examples and observations are right on.

You think Favre didn’t want to come to Miami because it’s hot?

by Alpha6 on Aug 11, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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