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Tuesday Morning Meanderings

Whenever it gets to this time of the year when we are within 2 weeks before training camp kicks off, my mind tends to wander a bit during the day and I often find myself pondering various football-related issues - and in particular, Dolphin-related issues. 

And there have been two things recently that I've been pondering more so than usual.  So I figured I might as well address them here and get some thoughts from you guys and gals.

CHRIS HENRY: WORTH THE RISK?
I've been going back and forth on this issue, and following the recent news that his latest issue, an assault charge, has been dropped, I find myself thinking more and more about the potential of bringing Chris Henry to Miami.

Now to be clear, there is still one hurdle that has to be cleared.  Henry, who was suspended for the 2008 season following his arrest for this assault charge, still has to be reinstated.  ProFootballTalk reports that the league is still reviewing Henry's situation.  However, if the state dropped the charges, then it's hard to imagine the NFL not reinstating Henry - at least for now.

And that's just it.  The obvious issue facing any team that has any interest in Henry's services is that his past seems to make it clear that he's a huge off-the-field risk.  The kid just can't stay out of trouble.  For that reason alone, many Dolphin fans will probably think I'm crazy for what I'm about to say.

But here's the thing.  How often is a 25 year old, 6'4 receiver with speed and strength going to be available?  There's no doubt that when Henry is on the field, he's a very good receiver.  Consider this: Henry has 17 touchdowns in just 35 career games.  In 2006, Henry had 9 touchdowns in 13 games.  He's a playmaker, plain and simple.

So here's my modest proposal.  The Dolphins should look into signing the free agent wide receiver to an incentive-based contract.  There likely won't be a team in the league that will sign Henry to any kind of guaranteed deal.  So if the Dolphins come in with a competitive offer that is heavily incentive-based, Henry could very well decide to come to Miami.  Why?  Because he'll understand that there isn't too much competition for him down here compared with other teams.  And if anyone can help turn around this kid's life, Bill Parcells is the guy to do it.  Besides, this is without question Henry's final chance.  If he gets in more off-field trouble, it's likely his NFL career will come to a premature conclusion.

So I say the Dolphins should go out and make a play for Chris Henry if, indeed, he is reinstated.  Am I crazy here?  Let me know.

TED GINN: TO RETURN OR NOT TO RETURN?
This is something that I've been pondering all off-season long.  And to be honest, I regularly flip-flop on this issue.  So other opinions on this issue are highly encouraged.

So should Ted Ginn be our primary kick and punt return as well as being a starting wide receiver?  Right now, I think he should be.  And here's why: we need to get the ball into Teddy's hands as much as possible simply because he can make things happen.  After all, I don't think Ginn is going to catch 80+ passes or so this year.  So until he becomes a true #1 receiver (which I think will happen in the future), I think we need to keep him back on return duty for both kickoffs and punts.

Sure, this regime really has no loyalty to Ginn's draft status because, after all, they didn't pick him 9th overall.  So one might argue that this regime doesn't have to use Teddy on both kickoffs and punts as a way to make it seem like Ginn was worth that 9th overall pick.  But the reason I just can't take Ginn off of his return duties is because he has the ability to become a top 3 return man in the NFL.  Just think, Teddy had 2 return TDs called back due to holding calls that really didn't effect the outcome of the play.  So he should have had 3 return touchdowns as a rookie despite playing with a horrid special teams unit.  Now with the emphasis this regime has put on special teams, Ginn could potentially have a monster year as a returner. 

Down the road, maybe Ginn should be relieved of at least one of those return duties to lessen his load.  But right now, there's no need to replace him - not when he has the potential to be truly great.

As usual, leave all your thoughts below...

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I agree

Was it not Ted Ginn whp last year returned a punt for a touchdown ing the NFL as a rookie. And he is the fastest guy on the team as well as the fact that returning is something he has been doing since his early college years so let the man do something he’s a natural at. Who knows, 2 or 3 years down the road he could easily be one of the best in the league

by kenroxsox on Jul 15, 2008 12:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Henry..?

Am I the only one who is terrified at the thought of Henry and Ricky in the same locker room? LOL.

Seriously Matt, I can see where you’re coming from but ‘characters’ are something we don’t need right now. This is the first year of Parcells/Sparano trying to rebuild. There’s already the “will he, won’t he” with JT. We don’t need another distraction. We could do with a quiet season with very little media attention where the guys can go quietly about the job of setting us up to progress.

Once we’ve laid a foundation and have established a good team ethos we can probably spare time for another ‘project’. I really don’t think our staff have the time this year to coddle someone like Henry.

JMHO.

by ShadyMDUK on Jul 15, 2008 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Who's busting him?

See those three letters at the end of that sentence…? Means I’m kidding ;-)

by ShadyMDUK on Jul 15, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Henry and Ginn

I do think we should pursue Henry. He’s a low risk high reward signing if we sign him to the right contract.

Ginn should definitely return kicks and punts. You want the ball in your playmaker’s hands as much as possible. Playing it safe b/c he might get injured or might be tired is a bunch of crap.

by gophish on Jul 15, 2008 1:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Sproles and Foster

I was watching a recap of the Chargers season on the NFL Network today. They had some highlights of Sproles who is sort of the same size as Foster. Sproles is listed as 5’6” 181. Foster is 5’7” 170. I’m now more interested to see Foster return kicks in the preseason.

by gophish on Jul 15, 2008 2:00 AM EDT reply actions  

if there is no distinction for the last wr spot (not count davone bess because hes the man!)

it’ll go to the best special teamer…and hopefully thats foster

thread comment champion

by finsxfactor on Jul 15, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see both Teddy and Foster back there at the same time. Make everyone have to kick to one of them!

by gafinfan on Jul 15, 2008 2:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Here Here

Foster can pass the ball across the field (former QB) back to Ginn for some cool trickery too :)

by gophish on Jul 15, 2008 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol exactly

he brings that x-factor

thread comment champion

by finsxfactor on Jul 15, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too many second chances

I would be very disappointed in the Miami management if they brought a guy like Henry in. Parcells said he didn’t want any thugs, and he’s got to live up to those words if he wants the fans and players’ respect.

by icerob on Jul 15, 2008 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Please

In the realm of football Harry Potter should be left out…

11

y not if im wrong who will remember

by qbinfin on Apr 27, 2008 3:27 PM PDT

by DolfinPhan on Jul 15, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

so that's what that was?

I was trying to figure out what that comment was referencing.

And I agree with you. Harry Potter and football do not go together.

by Matty I on Jul 15, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't compare Dumbledore to Parcells

Sure, but Dumbledore was a very wise man. He knew exactly how to play Snape’s love for Harry’s mother to his advantage. In Henry’s case, and for his sake, I pray he’s not in love with Sparano’s mother, or Jason’s ex-wife :)

by icerob on Jul 16, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

How many chances did....

Henry get in Cincy? 3? 4? Now he’s even out of there.

It isn’t that I’m so much against the move by principle as much as it is hard to figure how Henry will somehow come to Miami and suddenly clean up. Not impossible, just unlikely.

Do you really want to invest the time/energy in a player that’s likely to let you and his teammates down? The talent is there, but I’m not so sure about the common sense and maturity!

About Ginn…

What’s the point of taking a guy #9 and then he essentially is a no 2 or 3 receiver and that’s all? Because right now, Ginn is not a #1 and if he isn’t then he best be contributing in other ways – returning kicks is one such way.

Look, no less than Deion Sanders returned kicks for the first 4-5 years of his career. So I feel the best thing is: keep Ginn on returns and if he really plays to a #1 receiver status, then shift him out of returns.

These guys are football players, not fine china – I don’t see how returning kicks a few times per game is going to put such a dent in his receiving and running patterns.

by Natalya on Jul 15, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

we want the ball in the hands of our playmakers

its plain and simple…

when you think of an electrifying playmaker what comes to your mind?
- speed
-vision
-elusiveness

who has the most of those 3 attributes? main man the ginnanator

second: sparano said “the best man will play” already so i think its a given ted ginn will be recieving

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by finsxfactor on Jul 15, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually...

while Ginn is faster, my guess is that Foster is more elusive and has better vision.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 15, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

about Henry

I say “what the heck”. By all accounts, no one is expecting much out of the Fins this season anyway. Sign him cheap and cut him quick if it doesn’t work out. Either way, I don’t really care too much. He is definitely better than any WR we currently have on the roster, total package wise.

About Ginn: you took the words right out of my mouth, Nat. I totally agree; Ginn is not currently a #1 WR… maybe not even a #2. We could easily start the season with Wilford and Hagan (or a veteran pick up) as starters, with Ginn coming in on packages to mess with the opposing D. However, he has a TON of value in the distraction/decoy role, and in stretching the field on deep patterns. With intelligent play calling (the opposite of what we had last year), you could really use him to keep a defense off balance.

And before I get flamed, I am not saying Ginn won’t develop into a #1 guy. I just agree that he has too much value in the ST return game right now to pull him off of those duties just to play a #2 or #3 WR role.
IMO

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 15, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Henry

I can’t imagine Parcells signing this guy. I have a couple of friends that went to WVU while Chris and Pacman were there and they’ve told me some crazy stories of what they heard and saw from those guys. Chris Henry, believe it or not, is a bigger piece of sh*t then Pacman. If we signed him, I would be ashamed.

As far as Ginn goes, let him return kicks. He looked pretty good last year and we need all the chances to score points this year as we can get. I agree with what some said about giving him a few years at returning kicks until he turns into a #1 receiver. If he can turn into a#1 receiver. I still think he’ll be a great #2 receiver that stretches the field.

Matt

by Matt27 on Jul 15, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Nooooooo thank you on Henry.....Let Teddy run it back

Listen…Chirs Henry doesnt get it. He is about 5 strikes away from getting it. He loves Miami and knows way to many people down here to stay outta trouble. Do you think a guy like Henry respects Parcells? No way. He was how old the last time Parcells won anything? Even though he wasnt convicted i think he might get a suspension still.

Do we let Teddy return kicks? Hell yes we do! What are we debating? Thats 90% of what he is good at so far. We need field position. As i posted earlier ,if you team him up with DBess on kickoffs your dangerous. We now have some nice special teams guys who are gonna open more holes. With Feeley being reliable like he is, getting just 2 first downs but still being able to get 3 pts would be huge for us.

by Rzayo24 on Jul 15, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes and Yes

Sign Henry to a low risk incentive based contract and if there is any sign of trouble let him go and it will virtually cost us nothing and if he doesnt get in trouble even if for only 1 year thats a possible 2 or 3 games he could help us win.

Gin should definitly be returning kicks and punts, and all “hope and think” he can be a #1 wideout but we still dont know, what we DO know is the guy is amazing in the return game, he was in college and he showed flashes last year behind the worst special teams unit in the league. One he has proven he is a #1 receiver then you start to limit he return duties, look at it this way Steve Smith still returns punts and will return kicks once in a great while depending on the game situation. Steve Smith is a proven #1 and one of the best WR’s in the game and he still does it so there is no reason Ginn shouldnt be

by crzynick25 on Jul 15, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Now lets see

Well i see if we take a risk on the kid,We gotta make sure he realy changed his way one. Also if we can get him for cheap and also sign a contract sayen if he gets in any more trouble his out that well be good.I also wont give anymore then a 3rd round pick for the guy…...Cuz how i see it ones we lost lorenzo booker now the only good guy we got to returns kicks and punts is tedd ginn jr and i know bill didnt do all these improvments on the speacil teams to have any regular scrub out there returning kicks and punts for us…...

by lionel on Jul 15, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Ted Ginn is in NO WAY devin hester

I can’t really find comparisons between these two athletes. Devin Hester is quite possibly the dumbest player in the NFL, in fact the Bears can’t even find a position for him besides having him catch the ball at the kick off and have him run away from the “bad People”. That said he has much more elusiveness and vision than Ted Ginn and is a much better returner than him. Ginn has more straight away speed but cannot create a big play out of nothing like hester can. But Teddy will be a much better receiver than Hester ever will be.

by KCarr9 on Jul 15, 2008 5:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

No to Henry, keep Ginn on the return team

Henry isnt worth is off the field troubles.
And we all know what ginn can do on ST.

by Patssuck456 on Jul 16, 2008 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Please YES............

Henry on one side, Ginn on the other? I’m in as long as we don’t guarantee him anything huge. Give him a very modest signing bonus and pure incentive based and conduct based contract…..You sneeze wrong and you’re gone. Could give us some real explosiveness on offense. Who would the D focus on Ginn or Henry? Oops!! The R&R express just stuffed it down your throat!!
Ginn has to stay on return duty at least for now. He’s too good not to be returning kicks. I do like the idea of Ginn and Foster both being back there though.

mophins

by mophins on Jul 16, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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