McCown looks sharp; Beck looks even better
With today's OTA now complete, the media reports are slowly trickling in. And one of my favorite reports is from Omar Kelly. Omar tells us that the offense is beginning to kick into gear as more and more of the offense gets installed.
And he tells us that both quarterbacks, Josh McCown and John Beck, looked sharp today. He also says that if he was forced to choose, he would "begrudgingly" say Beck looked best. Why "begrudgingly"? In my view, it's probably because Omar has been against Beck for some time now. He wanted the Dolphins to take Brady Quinn in 2007 and he was praying to god for Joe Flacco to fall to Miami back in April. He was also a big Cleo Lemon supporter. Omar has also come out and predicted that it will be McCown starting come opening day. Therefore, for him to admit that John Beck looked the best today, John must have really looked impressive.
An excerpt of Omar's report is below:
Basically, the offense was humming, and to be honest I was very impressed.
Now, this doesn't mean the Dolphins are going to have an amazing offense come training camp, or the regular season. But it does indicate that there MIGHT be a quarterback in this batch, and the Dolphins MIGHT score more than 26 touchdowns in this upcoming season.
If you forced me to pick the quarterback who looked the best I'd begrudgingly say it was Beck because the how effective he looked thrown slants, and his accuracy when he was rolling out of the pocket.
Beck hit David Kircus, a star of Wednesday's practice, in full stride during one drill, beating Scorpio Babers for what would have been a touchdown.
As I said it was hard to determine which QB looked the best because McCown usually responded to something Beck did. A couple of plays after that nice pass to Kircus, McCown bulleted a intermediate pass along the sidelines to Ted Ginn Jr., who beat Will Allen on the skinny post.
He then hit Kircus with a touchdown catch in the redzone.
Beck followed it up by hitting Justin Wynn on a nice roll out for a decent gain, and he threw a rope to Selwyn Lymon, who caught it between Babers and Yeremiah Bell for another chunk of yardage.
I think it's interesting to note that Beck looked more impressive than McCown despite today apparently being McCown's turn to work with the first team. All of Beck's impressive throws seem to have been passes completed to the likes of undrafted free agents or David Kircus (who is battling for the 4th or 5th WR spot).
Again, though, it's important to note that it's just one day. Plenty of things can and will happen between now and September. But it's a good sign that the offense seems to be coming together.
Omar closed his report by saying:
The one thing Wednesday's practice shows is that the vertical game Bill Parcells likes is alive, and coming.
Finally!! No more dinking and dunking like Cam Cam had us doing!
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Funny, I was just going to post this :)
I think Omar is pretty fair, and I like his reports better than most of the local beat guys. I don’t think he has been as down on Beck as you make him out to be, but he absolutely did want Flacco and expect McCown to start.
I am most interested to find out who steps up at TE. With a power running game, and speed on the outside WR spots, a good TE should be able to exploit a seam route all day long. Who do you think it wil be? Do you think it will be one of the guys on the roster?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on
Jun 4, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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I'm not saying he's "down" on Beck...
...but to say he “begrudgingly” would say Beck look best today makes me wonder, you know?
by Matty I on
Jun 4, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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I think
he used that term because they both were so good he didn’t want to pick one over the other but we will see once we get the chance to watch with our own eyes and see if he’s bias. I do like his reports over the other local guys. Thanks for the info glad to see our offense looking good in shorts lol. I hope this doesn’t mean our defense looks bad lol.
by jvw on
Jun 4, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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I do like Omar's reports to...
...as they are probably the most detailed right now. But I remember being very impressed with the Palm Beach Post’s live blogs of training camp last year.
Too bad there will be no more “live blogs” in camp this year.
by Matty I on
Jun 4, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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tight end
I hope it’s Fasano. But he doesn’t have the speed David Martin has down the seam.
But Martin can’t catch and is an even worse blocker. So I think it’ll be Fasano, at least for this year. He’ll get a year to prove his worth.
Don’t expect big numbers from him, though.
by Matty I on
Jun 4, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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Fasano is a good blocker
and he has decent hands, I guess you can see he’s a poor mans Jason Witten.
I’m sure we’ll pick up some Better WRs and TES next year, for now we just need to take things one step at a time
by Patssuck456 on
Jun 6, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
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I think this coaching
Staff will do a good job getting Martin to block better and with his speed I think those two will be a good 1 2 punch. This offense will use a lot of two TE sets which they will be able to pass out of or run without to many personal changes.
by jvw on
Jun 4, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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What is it about Beck
that a lot of bloggers and analysts dont like?? i mean, he hasnt even had a chance to fail yet…and nobody outside of this site gives him a chance. Dude is high second round pick…he can make all the throws, is clutch down the stretch…i know he needs some more live snaps but i just find it annoying that all these so called experts think that we should start McCown and that Henne is the “future” of the team just becase he was drafted by parcells. i know that beck is a huge student of the game and he has been practicing year round for this opportunity so i know he doesnt need any more motivation, but i really hope he comes through and shuts up all the haters and proves us right here at the phinsider!
by dlux2561 on
Jun 4, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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I'm right there with you
If I could pick which of the 3 QBs becomes a solid starter, I hope it’s Beck if only for the fact that many people want to just write him off already. And I love pulling for the underdog.
by Matty I on
Jun 4, 2008 4:44 PM EDT
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Same here
My only concern about Beck is when he doesn’t get protection. I hope he did some grip work this offseason cause he was fumbling too easily. Granted, some of the hits he took were nasty.
by mikey2380 on
Jun 4, 2008 5:56 PM EDT
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Apparently none
of you all saw our 27 our old rook play last year.
Are you picking up what I'm putting down?
by Neo on
Jun 4, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
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I did.
watched every game… why do you ask?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on
Jun 5, 2008 2:07 AM EDT
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hmmm... i'm confused
not sure what you are getting at… is it
the 7 fumbles in 4 games?
the 1 td drive in 4 games?
the fact that the team rejoiced like they won the superbowl when Cam Cam pulled him in buffalo?
or maybe that his team mates are calling him out…. when C Crowder said
“"You can be the best speaker or the best guy in the world, the best churchgoing individual ever, if you suck nobody is going to respect you and you’re not going to be a leader," Crowder said. "It’s going to be on the field, and after that it’s how you deal with yourself off the field, how you deal with yourself media wise and everything.
"The best player is going to be the leader because everyone is going to respect his on-the-field play.";
or maybe that the triad had so much faith in him that they signed a below average backup to big money to be a caretaker qb until the QB of the future takes over?
or finally that the triad had so much faith in Beck that they took the QB of the future with a highly valuable 2nd round pick this year on a team that is rebuilding.
So i’m pretty confused Neo, what could the reason be why you question the lime.
by W NY Fins Fan on
Jun 6, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
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My guess is
folks can’t get over the fact we didn’t draft Quinn so they are hating on Beck because cam felt he was as good as Quinn. Stupid reason. His Success is happy days for all of us on Sundays.
by jvw on
Jun 4, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
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good point
People who really dislike Cam Cam probably tie Beck in with Cam and those fans likely want nothing to do with Cam’s 1 year here. Bad memories, I suppose.
by Matty I on
Jun 4, 2008 10:58 PM EDT
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Not here
I liked the Ginn the pick. I blame Cameron for not starting Beck when he should’ve (which was after the bye week) and keeping him in there. When he was in there he showed nothing for me to continue to be high on him (like all you with man crushes). He is now basically a 27 yr old rookie that was a disaster when he played last season.
Its as you are all pretending he didn’t play at all last year (or trying to forget it). Let him be a hard worker, a student of game the game all he wants (makes for a good coach). I wanna see results, and being considerably older than other rookies he has to show them quicker. This man can’t be 29 and still trying to show us something. Reminds me of a Chris Winke cast off.
Again I don’t blame John, I blame Cameron for my distaste for Beck.
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by Neo on
Jun 4, 2008 11:32 PM EDT
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Dude, how can you honestly pretend that the guy got a fair shake last year.
I don’t say he’s “the guy”... the reality is that he is unproven, but you can’t really hold last year against him either. If he plays this year behind our improved line and takes sacks, then you can label him a bust.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on
Jun 5, 2008 2:27 AM EDT
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Not trying
to label him as a bust, but yes I can hold last year against him. Doesn’t matter if he got a fair shake last year, life isn’t fair. Did he get his opportunity to play last year? Did he get to start 3 (possibly more) consecutive games? The answers are yes and yes.
What did he do with his opportunities? I’m not looking from excuses (and potential) from him and his supporters. I’m looking for numbers and results. The fact of the matter is he got his chance last year (be it with a bad team) and he didn’t show anything.
Are you picking up what I'm putting down?
by Neo on
Jun 5, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
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blah blah blah
Last year is old news.
When John outplays the other QBs in camp this year (and I’m 100% confident that he will), then he’ll be the starter in week one with a chance to shut up the critics.
by Matty I on
Jun 5, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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even if Beck starts game
one, is there anyone who believes that beck won’t get pulled at some point for henne?
Beck has lost his status as the QB of the future and he will be a caretaker at best until Henne gets his shot.
So its best to put Henne in for 16 this season and see if by game 16 he is the future. IF Henne doesn’t show improvement by game 16 then next season Beck will have a shot….
by W NY Fins Fan on
Jun 6, 2008 12:35 AM EDT
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never happen.
Henne might get some time due to injury or garbage time… might.
I actually would not be surprised to see him on the bench all year, UNLESS he substantially out plays both the other guys in camp and preseason. Both Beck and McCown have a good number of years in them, and I don’t believe Parcells subscribes to that “we drafted him, we gotta play him” mentality. He will play the guy that plays best and would love to see all of the QBs develop. Then he has some trade bait to work with.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on
Jun 6, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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yes and no
I agree that its unlikely that henne will start the season hence the reason they signed McCown, but I would expect to see him take over the team once the staff feels he’s ready… some place between game 6-9 with the idea that it’s not the best QB for this season but getting the best QB for game 1 2009 ready.
by W NY Fins Fan on
Jun 6, 2008 9:40 PM EDT
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Hooray for a non JT post :)
It is way too early to determine this race for QB.
Give it a few months and things will start taking shape. Especially during the preseason.
As for Beck, remember that in the eyes of many he is last year’s flavor, sort to speak. So that alone will make some people doubt him.
I don’t see how anyone can give up on him but at the same time, I don’t see how anyone can be sold on him.
He, like the 2 other QB’s on the roster, has a lot to prove.
He has his chance, let’s see what he does with it.
by Natalya on
Jun 4, 2008 5:43 PM EDT
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ah ha!
there you are!
;)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on
Jun 4, 2008 6:28 PM EDT
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my thoughts exactly, LCFF
Where you been hiding, Nat?
by Matty I on
Jun 4, 2008 10:59 PM EDT
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Nice reply
I agree. Geez, I’m so sick of hearing about JT.
Are you picking up what I'm putting down?
by Neo on
Jun 5, 2008 11:52 AM EDT
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i hate minicamp reports like these....
when we all get excited about the defense or offense playing really well…
because you never know if its because our O is great and our D is just below great or our D is just awful. For the past 8 years or so our O has looked horrible cuz our D was so damn good. so lets try to keep things in perspective here!
by YatilGinnJr on
Jun 4, 2008 6:43 PM EDT
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Name of the year
I just hope Scorpio Babers makes the team.
"I'm not as deep and complicated as people think." -Mike Tyson
by seamusfurr on
Jun 5, 2008 12:54 AM EDT
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Heh...
hi guys, nice that my absence was noticed, even if I wasn’t missed ;)
Mostly I’ve been riding my new motorcycle and relaxing in the summer.
Looking forward to the QB contest and how the new guys develop.
by Natalya on
Jun 5, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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who says your weren't missed? :)
you are the voice of reason. Without your sage input, it has been total choas around here. Just look at Neo’s posts! Absolutely crazy!
;)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on
Jun 5, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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Heh...
Neo’s posts? What’s Neo said that was crazy? That he’s not sold on Beck? Hard to blame him.
Whether because of Cam-Cam or Beck’s own fault, the fact is the jury is out on Beck and being older, his window is a bit smaller than say, Henne.
It is all going to get settled.
What matters is that one guy, whatever his name is, plays like a starter week in, week out.
by Natalya on
Jun 5, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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uh.... it was a joke....
you know… humor…. ar ar….
to tease Neo….
;)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on
Jun 5, 2008 5:16 PM EDT
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at first...
...I thought you typed “arf arf” and I was goin to say who said anything about a dog lol
It’s been a looooong week
by Matty I on
Jun 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT
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mork from ork.
old show… :)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on
Jun 6, 2008 11:12 AM EDT
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