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John Beck Myths

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Just to settle some of the arguments made supposedly "proving" why John Beck shouldn't start, or why he sucks, or anything people come up with to say he's no good.  These are points that various people have made about Beck that simply are not true.  I'm not one of those blind political supporters that think Beck should start even if someone is clearly better, but I think he deserves his shot, and I think he'll prove he CAN be a starter.  On to the Myths

Myth - "John Beck has small hands."

Fact - Beck has a bigger hand size than 3 of the top QB's in this year's draft, including our 2nd round pick, Chad Henne.  Beck's hand size is 9 3/4 in.  Compared to Matt Ryan's 9 5/8, Flacco's 9 1/2, and Henne's 9 3/8, Beck will not have a problem fumbling the ball because of "small hands."  His fumbling problem will disappear with better protection, because he won't be getting killed every time he drops back.

Myth - "John Beck doesn't have the arm strength to be an NFL QB."

Fact - Beck's velocity at the '07 combine was higher than every drafted QB except for Russell and Quinn, who didn't throw.  He threw it 61 mph, 3-5 mph better than Troy Smith, Drew Stanton, and Trent Edwards. 

Myth - "Beck is not a good decision-maker, and Henne is more accurate."

Fact - At BYU, Beck's career completion percentage was 62.4, including his senior year in which he completed 69.3% of his passes.  In comparison, Henne never completed more than 61.9% of his passes.  Beck also had 32 TD's compared to only 8 INT's his senior year, compared to Henne's 17 and 9.  This isn't to say that Beck will definitely be better than Henne, but it also doesn't bode well for people saying Henne is CLEARLY the better player.

Myth - "John Beck is not tough."

Fact - Beck is plenty tough enough to be an NFL QB.  In '04 he separated his throwing shoulder, only to play anyway the next week.  He played most of 2006 on two sprained ankles, and reinjured his right ankle during the season.  All he did that season was finish with the highest completion%, TD's, and yards of his college career. 

Bottom Line is, let's just stop with the misinformed arguments against Beck.  You can say you don't think he's a good QB, or you don't think he deserves a chance to start, but at least give a good reason why you feel that way.  More than likely, Beck will be our starter come Week 1, and I think he'll perform well enough to keep the job throughout the year.

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And he threw it harder than....

....Cutler did the year before. But the media just loves to talk about his arm strength and not John’s for some reason.

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by Matty I on Jun 30, 2008 5:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Seriously? Jay Cutler?

Matty,

You are a consummate stats guy. How can you wonder why people are more excited by Jay Cutler versus John Beck?

Cutler’s already had some success. Some big games. Respectable QB rating.

I will give you one thing. Both can’t hold onto the ball.

This isn’t to say who’ll be better in the end. Just that Cutler has been better so far.

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by The Phinisher on Jun 30, 2008 5:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's not what I was saying

All I was saying is that the media likes to talk about how strong Cutler’s arm is but then questions John’s arm strength.

News flash for the national media: John has a stronger arm than Jay.

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by Matty I on Jun 30, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I Understand...

But still. Play very poorly for a 1-15 team and the national media isn’t going to paint your portrait.

He’s got a lot to prove, which is a good thing for now.

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by The Phinisher on Jul 1, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The thing about Beck..

is he has the ability to drill it in there every single time, but he’s been quoted (by CBS Sportsline I believe) that he took a little off the ball in college to help his receivers get a handle on it. He knows to make the pass catchable, unlike some QB’s (Vick comes to mind) who throw a hundred miles an hour no matter what and wonder why receivers drop it. Beck can control his speed, which is a great attribute for a QB to have.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jul 1, 2008 12:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, Well, Well...

That pretty much sums it up. Beck should have the tools to play well.

We’ll see if he’s still saying could and we’re saying would in a few months.

Toughness isn’t only defined by playing through pain. What Beck did at BYU was impressive and showed a lot of toughness. It was high on the toughness chart. No Johnny U. tough, but hey just mentioning that name here is a credit to Beck.

What he did as a rookie quarterback last year was more of the “two for flinching” range on the toughness chart.

The hands… The hands thing was perpetuated by me here and started by Ron Jaworski on Monday Night Football.

I believe, and I don’t have the tape to back it up, that Jaws said his fingers were small. Still, I wouldn’t put it past Jaws to make something up from personal hunches.

The bottom line was he was a poster player for NFL Fumble Follies #9 last year (not a real title).

But whatever. I hope he turns out to be solid gold.

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by The Phinisher on Jun 30, 2008 5:35 PM EDT   0 recs

Ron Jaworski...

...is the Bill Walton of Football…simply disregard much of what he says as rhetoric and speculation…

by hwyatt3 on Jul 1, 2008 12:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Bill Walton reference… 2 points for you my friend.

I seem to like Jaws though, he’s usually spot on when he breaks down the game film and that kind of stuff, but he definitely was off on the “small hands” comment. Not sure what prompted it, but I think he may have been looking a bit too hard into the reason Beck fumbled last year, instead of chalking it up to the overall situation and Beck not being prepared (mostly due to coaching).

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jul 1, 2008 12:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I fell that beck well be a starter this season

But if beck doesnt do good this season,Then i say lets not spend to much time on this guy.To find out if hes mister right or not,Lets not do a rex grossman with beck please.I felt that the only reason beck was brought in last year was to be a automatic starter for this team.But what im realy tryen to say is this guy is good yes and i believe that but 1 big problem with beck is his age.The problem i fell that were gonna have with beck is that is gonna take him a lil while to him to get adjusted with this team and the nfl,Cuz you can realy say that last year didnt count.I fell by the time this guy maybe becomes an elite qb in this league hes gonna be in his 30’s and thats the mostly the down fall in most in nfl players in this league.Thats why most teams passed up on this guy in the first round was just because of this guys age…........So dont be suprised if beck starts to decrease right around in his 30’s and thats not that long ,For a guy that was just a rookie last year…

by lionel on Jun 30, 2008 5:51 PM EDT   0 recs

If you keep falling, you might get hurt.

I’d have a specialist look at the problem.

by Yorke Hunt on Jul 1, 2008 12:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Little Nicky Primetime...

howd you get front page?

lol i guess another challenge must be met?...

by finsxfactor on Jun 30, 2008 6:27 PM EDT   0 recs

please

I’m frontpaged so much I might as well run the place lol

just kidding not a chance I can keep this place going like Matty does…

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jul 1, 2008 12:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice write up Dude!

I like it. Not so much because I am rooting for Beck, but because you deal nicely with the facts, and I get a little annoyed with people tossing out opinions as if they are facts. You have addressed the most common misconceptions regarding John Beck.

I agree with you that it is fine for people to just have an opinion that Beck should not start, but let’s not confuse opinions with facts.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 30, 2008 7:53 PM EDT   0 recs

Facts

Beck is 800 yrs old.

Beck couldn’t hold on to the ball last year.

Beck wasn’t drafted by this regime.

This regime drafted a QB in the 2nd rd.

Beck couldn’t lead our team to a simple FG in any of his starts. (A FG mind you. You know just get to the opponents 25-30 yard line). and no points for that matter except for a meaningless TD in the last game of the season against the Bungles and their, I hate to even call it this, defense. At home even.

As much as I hated the guy Cleo Lemon (a 3rd-4th string QB) did more for our offense than Beck.

Beck looked like a lost school boy on the field.

It took 12 straight loses before Matty I really started to question Cam Cam. And really wasn’t convinced he shouldn’t been given another year since he was a rookie HC even after the season.

Matty I has a man/player crush on John Beck.

My conclusion/opinion:

Its nice to be supportive of Beck. Ok, fine he is our starting QB week 1. And? I’d perfer Henne (who I think is the Fin’s future) sit out his 1st year (at least week 11). Like Carson Palmer in Cincy. Ya know groom a QB right.

I think Beck will be our starting QB, play so-so, then he (or Josh McCown) will be traded/let go at the end of the year. One of the 3 isn’t gonna be back next year and I don’t think they’ll let Henne go after not seeing him much – like Beck. And unless Beck is lighting it up like Brees did when SD drafted Rivers how long do you think they are gonna keep the younger 2nd rd pick Henne off the field?

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

by Neo on Jul 1, 2008 10:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what if

he proves you wrong and comes out swinging if he gets the starting job?
how will you react then?

by Patssuck456 on Jul 1, 2008 10:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Eh

Cheering and rooting for my FIns. Don’t really care what he “comes out” doing though. More interested if he can “maintain” that good play throughout.

He had the starting job last year and didn’t come out swinging.

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

by Neo on Jul 1, 2008 10:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thats good to hear, just worried you’d piss and moan if your guy doesnt win

by Patssuck456 on Jul 2, 2008 9:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ROFL!!!!

Leave it to Neo!!! Was wonderin were you were dude.

:)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 1, 2008 11:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey left

been kinda busy, but I still read the articles and comments from time to time. Matty I does a great job keeping me updated. Personally i think he just did this article to antagonize me.-)

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

by Neo on Jul 1, 2008 11:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

stop... yer crackin me up. :)

and you are probably right!

;)

I knew you were still lurking from your occasional .

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 1, 2008 11:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Personally i think he just did this article to antagonize me.-)

Meaning he moved it from the fanpost section to be sure I read it.

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

by Neo on Jul 1, 2008 11:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

I was waiting for you as soon as I posted this, figured you would chime in eventually.

I do agree that age is a big issue regarding Beck, but a lot QB’s can be effective into the early-mid 30’s. It’s more of a mental position than physical, QB’s can lose a step off their 40 times, but it doesn’t affect their play in the game. If Beck shows he can play, who’s to say he won’t be a solid QB up until he’s 32, 33 years old? That gives us 5 or 6 years of solid QB play, which is better than what we’ve gotten from every other QB since Marino. If Henne is a stud right off the bat, then yes he should be handed the keys and we can ride him for the next 10-12 years, but that’s not a given.

The fumbles were mostly a protection/preparedness issue. Give him better protection and he should hang on the ball. If he still fumbles everything he touches without being hammered, sit him. Plain and simple, if he doesn’t perform, sit him. But let him have his chance.

Parcells isn’t stupid. Just because he didn’t draft Beck does not mean he won’t play him. If Parcells only uses guys he drafts, why is Porter, Brown, Williams, Ginn, Allen, Bell, Crowder, Satele, Carey, etc… still around. Bottom line for Parcells is, if you can play, you will play. If he didn’t think Beck was good enough, he would’ve cut him. Just because he drafted Henne late in rd 2 doesn’t mean he’s pushing Beck out the door. If anything, I’ll admit to a point you made pre-draft, that Henne will come in to push Beck to be better.

I understand you don’t like Beck. You’ve made it very clear. I don’t think he’s a great QB either, nobody does at this point. But killing him based on last season is premature. Save your judgment AT LEAST until his week 1 performance. If he stinks horribly, then come on here and call for his head.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jul 1, 2008 12:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

All points taken

Not trying to kill him, but just not gonna praise him and anoint him as our chosen one like someone cough Matty I cough

Don’t get me worng, It isn’t that I don’t like Beck, I don’t like the entire way the QB situation was handled last year. Beck should’ve been in after the bye and that London game. Perfect set-up, coming back to the states, a bye week, at home, against the Bills no less. A moron couldn’t screw that one up. (Cameron managed to do it though). He should’ve stayed in there the rest of the season. Cameron (the QB guru) screwed that all up.

I will admit though, I’m really turned off about his age. We have a 27 year old rookie. 27 yrs old. Henne is four years younger. Thats 4 years I can be a fan if he is any good. In 4 years when Henne is Beck age, Beck will be 31 and we would probably be
have to start looking at who is to succeed Beck because he will be 31/32.

Totally agree Parcells will play the guy who is best at all positions. But Parcells has been known to show favoritism to “his” players.

I don’t think its “killing” a player to state facts on his play last year. He stunk it up. I would type the good things he did, if he did any. But I’m not gonna reach for something thats not there, or even try to convince myself that I saw some good.

I want whats best for the Fins, now and the future. If Beck is good, then great. I guess what I’m saying is that our QB situation has been in shambles since Marino and I’d rather the QB that can solidfy the postion for 10-12 years would succeed more than a QB than can only do it 5-7..

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

by Neo on Jul 1, 2008 1:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

5-7???

That’s pretty pessimistic. If he is successful this year, he could easily go 9 or 10 yrs.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 1, 2008 1:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Can't argue with that..

Cam really destroyed this kid’s first year.. COMPLETELY agree on how the situation should’ve been handled. I was saying (not on here, hadn’t found the site yet) that Beck was going to start after the bye and finish the season, because at that point there was nothing to lose. I figured, like most everyone on this site, that the logical thing to do was to start the rookie for the second half of the season when you have a bye week in between. Obviously, that logic was lost on our genius head coach.

As far as Parcells, I don’t think either of us is wrong. He does like guys he picks (see, Bledsoe, Glenn, Martin, Ferguson, etc..), but he’s also a very good talent evaluator, and he knows to maximize whatever talent is already on a team he takes over.

I think we can both agree that we really just want a QB to become that Franchise guy we’ve been seeking for years. Hopefully Beck’s that guy. And hopefully Henne is good enough as well. Just one be good. Please.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jul 2, 2008 12:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

by Neo on Jul 2, 2008 10:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

not quite right

nicky wrote
~~Parcells isn’t stupid. Just because he didn’t draft Beck does not mean he won’t play him. If Parcells only uses guys he drafts, why is Porter, Brown, Williams, Ginn, Allen, Bell, Crowder, Satele, Carey, etc… still around. Bottom line for Parcells is, if you can play, you will play. If he didn’t think Beck was good enough, he would’ve cut him. Just because he drafted Henne late in rd 2 doesn’t mean he’s pushing Beck out the door. If anything, I’ll admit to a point you made pre-draft, that Henne will come in to push Beck to be better.~~

Couple of points…. lets drop Satele,Carey, Brown from the list since they are young and have proven to be good NFL players. Beck isn’t established like that….
Porter & Williams are not guys that parcels is building the team’s future around. so they don’t factor.

Say Ginn & Allen are first rounders with contracts that prevent the team from cutting them…

So Beck really doesn’t compare to anyone on your list. He’s old, for someone with out any experience, his contract isn’t a huge, which cuts both ways, and he is playing the most important position on the field. So at the most important position Parcells wants one of his guys. and the second the NFL said ‘the dolphins select Henne’, the qb competition ended and Henne was given the job. maybe not for week 1 but with all certainty for week 1 2009.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 10, 2008 1:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Neo you forgot to add

Beck’s 2nd biggest fault last year (fumbles are #1)

He lacked Leadership skills. the team hated him, or at the very least had no respect for him and his leadership skills.
pull up the bills game and watch when Cam benched him. the sideline acted like a 25 year old dan marino just
entered the game…...spoke volumes.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 10, 2008 1:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

This has been my biggest concern with Beck. I really think he will be at worst a very capable QB if not great but will the team play for him?

mophins

by mophins on Jul 10, 2008 9:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

beck = future

(love you momma)

by finsxfactor on Jun 30, 2008 11:19 PM EDT   0 recs

little Italy Ops I mean Nickey

Nice post, Thats what im talkin about!!!!!!
lay it all on the line, im with you and matty on this and have been before the draft!!!!!
BECK WILL START, thats all i have to say
ciao peeps

What happend to the Killer BEEs

by FinfanT on Jun 30, 2008 11:34 PM EDT   0 recs

What if.......

We had taken Drew Brees…......Ricky never tried pot…........ We had drafted Quinn…........ Traded for DeAngelo Hall…....... Never hired Cam Cameron…............ and lastly KEPT JIM BATES!!!!

by KCarr9 on Jul 1, 2008 10:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

KEPT JIM BATES

ahh, I still remember that Pats game. Matty I you should consider that one come video time.

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

by Neo on Jul 1, 2008 10:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed! My favorite game in recent memory!

And remember who was the QB that game?
:)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 1, 2008 11:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

my favorite

idk why…but is that buffalo bills one. everything came to the wire..and sir-drop-a-lot caught the fade in the corner of the endzone by i think sage rosenfelds…loved it

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by finsxfactor on Jul 2, 2008 1:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

matty....

can we get a video of that ending?

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by finsxfactor on Jul 2, 2008 11:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I do have it but I need to cut up the video a bit....

...so I’ll get it out at some point, but likely not in the next 2 weeks.

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by Matty I on Jul 3, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lol kk

try gettin the whole drive please…lol i ask too much..but we are NJBFL…new jersey brothers for life? lol

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by finsxfactor on Jul 10, 2008 2:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

after that can u also upload onto youtube

reason being…i have this application on my ipod touch that lets me download youtube videos directly to my ipod. so i can carry that around everywhere i go lol

like this one i have with me on my ipod

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka-fqtuyipM

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by finsxfactor on Jul 11, 2008 11:32 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i liked Jim Bates

i dunno what the whole story was w/ him but seemed to me that he had the players really fired up, he kept our defense fantastic for 5 yrs, + he reminded me a bit of Vince Lombardi lol…i was hopin that they would make him HC at the time… hey it couldnt have been a worse decision than to hire Saban, in hindsite.

by Krab on Jul 1, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

I really liked Bates, and the players seemed to really respect him. I still wonder why he didn’t do better at Greenbay. Anyone know?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 14, 2008 12:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

It was touchy-Feeley???????

by Finz4eva on Jul 1, 2008 11:35 AM EDT   0 recs

funny huh?

I actually bet on the Fins to win that game. Never thought Feeley would get it done.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 1, 2008 12:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Put down the Beck kool-aid plz people

How can anyone want this douche to lead our team? He couldnt lead a pack of prostitutes to a street corner. Big hands? Small hands? Deepest vagina? He didnt play good last year cause his pantiliners kept riding up on him giving him a wedgie? Cmon people hes a boy trying to play a mans game.

by Finz4eva on Jul 1, 2008 11:54 AM EDT   0 recs

you might be right

but i would like to see him play behind a real o-line before passing judgement.
just my opinion.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 1, 2008 12:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

once again Left

this guy is exactly the kind of person I was talking about in the post. Kills Beck for last season, even though everyone else on the team pretty much gets a free pass. The guy was a rookie QB practicing with 3rd teamers right up until Cam-Cam decides to make him the starter. Who is gonna be prepared working with 3rd teamers? And as bad as we were last year, how bad must our 3rd string guys have been? He’s playing with the Rec League Over-35 Flag Team in practice, get real. Add to that the complete lack of any sort of running game, blocking, or receiving threats. Why would anyone expect this kid to do anything other than fail last season? ESPECIALLY when Cam-Cam said before the season he wants his guys to fail. He did a great job setting Beck up to fail, so I guess he got the job done…

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jul 1, 2008 12:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree... I don't think Beck got a fair shake last year.

he doesn’t need an All Pro team around him, but some support and decent coaching would be nice. :)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 1, 2008 12:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

who r u?

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by finsxfactor on Jul 2, 2008 1:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

(finz4eva)

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by finsxfactor on Jul 2, 2008 1:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It couldn't be, could it?

I could be wrong about this, but it sounds like Brady Quinn still isn’t over not being the #9 draft choice or being handed the starting the job (even after choosing to hold out).

by Deof Movestofca on Jul 3, 2008 3:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

2 things Beck needs to do to be the longterm starter in Miami...
1 Hold on to the football. What the QB’s #1 job? Take care of the football. There were QB’s with twice as many sacks as beck and half the fumbles. To blame that all on the OL is misguided. 2 Show that he has accuracy down the field. In his limited time, he showed he had accuracy on short passes. However, he was never really allowed to throw down the field. Don’t talk to me about what he did in college…its irrelevant now. If he CAN’T throw the ball down the field with accuracy, he’s just a caretaker of the QB position, and nothing more than the last #9 we had here…Jay Fiedler, who was serviceable, but nothing great.

by dab415217 on Jul 3, 2008 12:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Thats nice and all...

but he doesnt have “it”. I see him as another Jeff Garcia….but your gonna have to wait a few yrs to even get that. Chad Henne i compare to Big Ben…allot better.

If i had my way we would start Henne, keep Beck, and sign a slash type of 3rd stringer. Going to Florida State i would like to see Xavier Lee play some tight end and also be our 3rd string qb. If you get to your 3rd string qb yu are screwed anyway…so just have a guy whos fast and can make things happen.

by Rzayo24 on Jul 6, 2008 11:43 PM EDT   0 recs

This is how i see things

I fell that no matter what john beck should start,And if he just does horrible and we have to take him out then stick in the other vetern…..But i say lets give the guy a chance and if he doesnt do good next season then we just simply trade the guy for a draft pick…..Cuz if you look at things if the guy doesnt look like hes getting better by next year you can guarntte that hes gonna be outta here…. And why i say that is one the guy is just way to old for us to be waiten for him to improve.Also he was picked by cam cameron,So that means the only reasons he wasnt outta here was cuz we despertly needed a qb,And he was the only guy we had after cleo lemon left and also trent green….So now if he doesnt do good this year you can guarntee that this guy is gonna be goen for a draft pick orjust simply relesed if nobody wants the guy….We already have 2 qbs and the guy of the future in chad henne….....

by lionel on Jul 8, 2008 8:55 PM EDT   0 recs

read the post by Patssuck456

the “20 questions” fan post. nice summary in there about Beck starting.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 9, 2008 11:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Myth - Beck has a chance

to be the starter

Reality – Sparano can talk all he wants about how the job is a wide open competion, but the reality is once Henne is ready to start it’s his job. Now, I’m not saying that Beck can never be the starter, he just has to wait for Henne to fail before he gets a real shot at winning the job. BTW: this is just a continuation of last seasons MYTH - Trent Green has to win the job…..

by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 10, 2008 2:27 AM EDT   0 recs

I understand your stance, but I don't believe it's accurate

Beck will be given a chance and the coaching staff doesn’t care too much either way. I believe this coaching staff when they say that the best player will play. Eventually, Henne plays, but I think Parcells would be comfortable benching him for a couple of years if he has a QB that is performing. If rumor is correct, he didn’t want to bench Bledsoe an start Romo when he did. He wanted to keep Romo on the bench but was pressured by Jones.
You make way too much out of Beck’s age. WAY too much. He’s only 27, gonna be 28 this year, so I agree that he doesn’t have a few years to get “seasoned”. But if the kid plays well this year his age isn’t much of a factor. If he DOESN’T play well, then c’est la vie baby. His age just means he has to play like a started right now, right out of the gate.
I don’t think Henne plays this year unless things fall apart, and I think McCown will be in the starting rotation ahead of him. Henne sits this year and competes for the job next year, IMO.
Beck’s future rests solely on his performance at this point.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 10, 2008 12:04 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

I agree

but again the only thing that concerns me is the reports from last year that the team didn’t want him in there. Was that because they KNEW Cam didn’t have him prepared to start or is the guy just not respected by his team? Based on everything I’ve seen from college, the team should play for him and he can get the job done so let’s hope last year was a result of them knowing Cam was a dumbass and Beck didn’t have a chance.

mophins

by mophins on Jul 10, 2008 12:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

last year doesn't matter

The guys running the show this year don’t believe in him, or at the very least don’t believe he’s the long term answer or they wouldn’t have grabbed Henne, when other guys they liked in positions of need were on the board (cough, cough) say martellus bennett. The reality of the situation is that QB is the most important position on the field and its the one spot where you want your guy to run the show, and how can they trust Beck, when he was chosen by guys the current admin has no respect for.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 11, 2008 1:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you disagree but you concede my point in doing so....

first off, I don’t think I made a big deal about his age in my posts other than saying that he’s old for a guy with no experience. so, I think we are in agreement on the age thing. His advanced age just limits the lenght of time the team will give him to develop. your not going to spend 5 more years on a 28 year old, but its possible they might on Henne….

but the point I want to make is when you say “Eventually, Henne plays”. So when you are saying that you are pretty much admitting that its Henne job once he is ready, its just a disagreement between us on how long that will take. Beck and McCown are just more caretakers in the post Marino era. I believe that they’ll get him some experience while the team is rebuilding and he has time to grow with the guys around him and if I understand you correctly, you feel they’ll move him in once the team around him is better…. Time will tell but you’re wrong….. ;~)

by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 11, 2008 12:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no, you misunderstand me

of course Henne plays eventually. but if Beck plays well, there is no reason to pull him just to play Henne. When you assume that the drafting of Henne means that the new regime does not have confidence in Beck, you also seem to be assuming that they have made a decision about Beck. I don’t think that’s right.

I think the reason they drafted Henne is simple… the QB position usually takes a couple of years to develop properly, and it is too important a position to take a chance on one guy working out. You have it right that we have neglected the position since Marino. Filled it with “caretakers”. McCown is another of that sort. But not Beck. Beck is an unknown, and as I said before, this new regime would be thrilled to have him step up and play.

But if you want to have this team in the playoffs within three years, you can’t afford to hope Beck can be the guy, find out during the year that he’s not the guy, and then draft a guy next year who will take ANOTHER year to develop. So what do you do? Draft Henne this year and start developing him; give Beck a chance this year; then let them battle it out for the starting job next year. If Beck plays well, he could conceivably keep Henne on the bench for a couple of years.

I think it’s Beck’s job to lose, or Henne’s to win. I disagree with you that Parcells has made up his mind about Beck just because he drafted Henne, OR that they will play Henne even if Beck earns the spot.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 11, 2008 2:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it was simply that Beck was an unprepared rookie, and the team morale was down

No one wanted to lose and the team had no confidence in Cam. Beck just got tossed into a bad sitch.
I guarantee that if Beck plays well and wins the job, this won’t be an issue. He just needs a chance to grow into the leadership role, and the first step is playing well.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 10, 2008 12:45 PM EDT   0 recs