John Beck Myths

by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 30, 2008 4:42 PM EDT Comment 62 comments

Just to settle some of the arguments made supposedly "proving" why John Beck shouldn't start, or why he sucks, or anything people come up with to say he's no good. These are points that various people have made about Beck that simply are not true. I'm not one of those blind political supporters that think Beck should start even if someone is clearly better, but I think he deserves his shot, and I think he'll prove he CAN be a starter. On to the Myths

Myth - "John Beck has small hands."

Fact - Beck has a bigger hand size than 3 of the top QB's in this year's draft, including our 2nd round pick, Chad Henne. Beck's hand size is 9 3/4 in. Compared to Matt Ryan's 9 5/8, Flacco's 9 1/2, and Henne's 9 3/8, Beck will not have a problem fumbling the ball because of "small hands." His fumbling problem will disappear with better protection, because he won't be getting killed every time he drops back.

Myth - "John Beck doesn't have the arm strength to be an NFL QB."

Fact - Beck's velocity at the '07 combine was higher than every drafted QB except for Russell and Quinn, who didn't throw. He threw it 61 mph, 3-5 mph better than Troy Smith, Drew Stanton, and Trent Edwards.

Myth - "Beck is not a good decision-maker, and Henne is more accurate."

Fact - At BYU, Beck's career completion percentage was 62.4, including his senior year in which he completed 69.3% of his passes. In comparison, Henne never completed more than 61.9% of his passes. Beck also had 32 TD's compared to only 8 INT's his senior year, compared to Henne's 17 and 9. This isn't to say that Beck will definitely be better than Henne, but it also doesn't bode well for people saying Henne is CLEARLY the better player.

Myth - "John Beck is not tough."

Fact - Beck is plenty tough enough to be an NFL QB. In '04 he separated his throwing shoulder, only to play anyway the next week. He played most of 2006 on two sprained ankles, and reinjured his right ankle during the season. All he did that season was finish with the highest completion%, TD's, and yards of his college career.

Bottom Line is, let's just stop with the misinformed arguments against Beck. You can say you don't think he's a good QB, or you don't think he deserves a chance to start, but at least give a good reason why you feel that way. More than likely, Beck will be our starter come Week 1, and I think he'll perform well enough to keep the job throughout the year.

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And he threw it harder than....

....Cutler did the year before. But the media just loves to talk about his arm strength and not John’s for some reason.

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by Matty I on Jun 30, 2008 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Seriously? Jay Cutler?

Matty,

You are a consummate stats guy. How can you wonder why people are more excited by Jay Cutler versus John Beck?

Cutler’s already had some success. Some big games. Respectable QB rating.

I will give you one thing. Both can’t hold onto the ball.

This isn’t to say who’ll be better in the end. Just that Cutler has been better so far.

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by The Phinisher on Jun 30, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's not what I was saying

All I was saying is that the media likes to talk about how strong Cutler’s arm is but then questions John’s arm strength.

News flash for the national media: John has a stronger arm than Jay.

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by Matty I on Jun 30, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Understand...

But still. Play very poorly for a 1-15 team and the national media isn’t going to paint your portrait.

He’s got a lot to prove, which is a good thing for now.

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by The Phinisher on Jul 1, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he threw it harder than everyone the year before EXCEPT Cutler, but it was close

.... i could be remembering it wrong.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 30, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, Well, Well...

That pretty much sums it up. Beck should have the tools to play well.

We’ll see if he’s still saying could and we’re saying would in a few months.

Toughness isn’t only defined by playing through pain. What Beck did at BYU was impressive and showed a lot of toughness. It was high on the toughness chart. No Johnny U. tough, but hey just mentioning that name here is a credit to Beck.

What he did as a rookie quarterback last year was more of the “two for flinching” range on the toughness chart.

The hands… The hands thing was perpetuated by me here and started by Ron Jaworski on Monday Night Football.

I believe, and I don’t have the tape to back it up, that Jaws said his fingers were small. Still, I wouldn’t put it past Jaws to make something up from personal hunches.

The bottom line was he was a poster player for NFL Fumble Follies #9 last year (not a real title).

But whatever. I hope he turns out to be solid gold.

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by The Phinisher on Jun 30, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ron Jaworski...

...is the Bill Walton of Football…simply disregard much of what he says as rhetoric and speculation…

by hwyatt3 on Jul 1, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Bill Walton reference… 2 points for you my friend.

I seem to like Jaws though, he’s usually spot on when he breaks down the game film and that kind of stuff, but he definitely was off on the “small hands” comment. Not sure what prompted it, but I think he may have been looking a bit too hard into the reason Beck fumbled last year, instead of chalking it up to the overall situation and Beck not being prepared (mostly due to coaching).

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jul 1, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I fell that beck well be a starter this season

But if beck doesnt do good this season,Then i say lets not spend to much time on this guy.To find out if hes mister right or not,Lets not do a rex grossman with beck please.I felt that the only reason beck was brought in last year was to be a automatic starter for this team.But what im realy tryen to say is this guy is good yes and i believe that but 1 big problem with beck is his age.The problem i fell that were gonna have with beck is that is gonna take him a lil while to him to get adjusted with this team and the nfl,Cuz you can realy say that last year didnt count.I fell by the time this guy maybe becomes an elite qb in this league hes gonna be in his 30’s and thats the mostly the down fall in most in nfl players in this league.Thats why most teams passed up on this guy in the first round was just because of this guys age…........So dont be suprised if beck starts to decrease right around in his 30’s and thats not that long ,For a guy that was just a rookie last year…

by lionel on Jun 30, 2008 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If you keep falling, you might get hurt.

I’d have a specialist look at the problem.

by Yorke Hunt on Jul 1, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Little Nicky Primetime...

howd you get front page?

lol i guess another challenge must be met?...

by finsxfactor on Jun 30, 2008 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

please

I’m frontpaged so much I might as well run the place lol

just kidding not a chance I can keep this place going like Matty does…

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jul 1, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice write up Dude!

I like it. Not so much because I am rooting for Beck, but because you deal nicely with the facts, and I get a little annoyed with people tossing out opinions as if they are facts. You have addressed the most common misconceptions regarding John Beck.

I agree with you that it is fine for people to just have an opinion that Beck should not start, but let’s not confuse opinions with facts.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 30, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

beck = future

(love you momma)

by finsxfactor on Jun 30, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

little Italy Ops I mean Nickey

Nice post, Thats what im talkin about!!!!!!
lay it all on the line, im with you and matty on this and have been before the draft!!!!!
BECK WILL START, thats all i have to say
ciao peeps

What happend to the Killer BEEs

by FinfanT on Jun 30, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

There is no QB battle.....

Beck is the guy!

by JGray on Jul 1, 2008 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What if.......

We had taken Drew Brees…......Ricky never tried pot…........ We had drafted Quinn…........ Traded for DeAngelo Hall…....... Never hired Cam Cameron…............ and lastly KEPT JIM BATES!!!!

by KCarr9 on Jul 1, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

KEPT JIM BATES

ahh, I still remember that Pats game. Matty I you should consider that one come video time.

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

by Neo on Jul 1, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed! My favorite game in recent memory!

And remember who was the QB that game?
:)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 1, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i liked Jim Bates

i dunno what the whole story was w/ him but seemed to me that he had the players really fired up, he kept our defense fantastic for 5 yrs, + he reminded me a bit of Vince Lombardi lol…i was hopin that they would make him HC at the time… hey it couldnt have been a worse decision than to hire Saban, in hindsite.

by Krab on Jul 1, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I really liked Bates, and the players seemed to really respect him. I still wonder why he didn’t do better at Greenbay. Anyone know?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 14, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think

It was touchy-Feeley???????

by Finz4eva on Jul 1, 2008 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

it was AJ. :)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 1, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

funny huh?

I actually bet on the Fins to win that game. Never thought Feeley would get it done.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 1, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Put down the Beck kool-aid plz people

How can anyone want this douche to lead our team? He couldnt lead a pack of prostitutes to a street corner. Big hands? Small hands? Deepest vagina? He didnt play good last year cause his pantiliners kept riding up on him giving him a wedgie? Cmon people hes a boy trying to play a mans game.

by Finz4eva on Jul 1, 2008 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

you might be right

but i would like to see him play behind a real o-line before passing judgement.
just my opinion.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 1, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

who r u?

thread comment champion

by finsxfactor on Jul 2, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

(finz4eva)

thread comment champion

by finsxfactor on Jul 2, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It couldn't be, could it?

I could be wrong about this, but it sounds like Brady Quinn still isn’t over not being the #9 draft choice or being handed the starting the job (even after choosing to hold out).

by Deof Movestofca on Jul 3, 2008 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 things Beck needs to do to be the longterm starter in Miami...

1 Hold on to the football. What the QB’s #1 job? Take care of the football. There were QB’s with twice as many sacks as beck and half the fumbles. To blame that all on the OL is misguided. 2 Show that he has accuracy down the field. In his limited time, he showed he had accuracy on short passes. However, he was never really allowed to throw down the field. Don’t talk to me about what he did in college…its irrelevant now. If he CAN’T throw the ball down the field with accuracy, he’s just a caretaker of the QB position, and nothing more than the last #9 we had here…Jay Fiedler, who was serviceable, but nothing great.

by dab415217 on Jul 3, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thats nice and all...

but he doesnt have “it”. I see him as another Jeff Garcia….but your gonna have to wait a few yrs to even get that. Chad Henne i compare to Big Ben…allot better.

If i had my way we would start Henne, keep Beck, and sign a slash type of 3rd stringer. Going to Florida State i would like to see Xavier Lee play some tight end and also be our 3rd string qb. If you get to your 3rd string qb yu are screwed anyway…so just have a guy whos fast and can make things happen.

by Rzayo24 on Jul 6, 2008 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This is how i see things

I fell that no matter what john beck should start,And if he just does horrible and we have to take him out then stick in the other vetern…..But i say lets give the guy a chance and if he doesnt do good next season then we just simply trade the guy for a draft pick…..Cuz if you look at things if the guy doesnt look like hes getting better by next year you can guarntte that hes gonna be outta here…. And why i say that is one the guy is just way to old for us to be waiten for him to improve.Also he was picked by cam cameron,So that means the only reasons he wasnt outta here was cuz we despertly needed a qb,And he was the only guy we had after cleo lemon left and also trent green….So now if he doesnt do good this year you can guarntee that this guy is gonna be goen for a draft pick orjust simply relesed if nobody wants the guy….We already have 2 qbs and the guy of the future in chad henne….....

by lionel on Jul 8, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

read the post by Patssuck456

the “20 questions” fan post. nice summary in there about Beck starting.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 9, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Myth - Beck has a chance

to be the starter

Reality – Sparano can talk all he wants about how the job is a wide open competion, but the reality is once Henne is ready to start it’s his job. Now, I’m not saying that Beck can never be the starter, he just has to wait for Henne to fail before he gets a real shot at winning the job. BTW: this is just a continuation of last seasons MYTH - Trent Green has to win the job…..

by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 10, 2008 2:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I understand your stance, but I don't believe it's accurate

Beck will be given a chance and the coaching staff doesn’t care too much either way. I believe this coaching staff when they say that the best player will play. Eventually, Henne plays, but I think Parcells would be comfortable benching him for a couple of years if he has a QB that is performing. If rumor is correct, he didn’t want to bench Bledsoe an start Romo when he did. He wanted to keep Romo on the bench but was pressured by Jones.
You make way too much out of Beck’s age. WAY too much. He’s only 27, gonna be 28 this year, so I agree that he doesn’t have a few years to get “seasoned”. But if the kid plays well this year his age isn’t much of a factor. If he DOESN’T play well, then c’est la vie baby. His age just means he has to play like a started right now, right out of the gate.
I don’t think Henne plays this year unless things fall apart, and I think McCown will be in the starting rotation ahead of him. Henne sits this year and competes for the job next year, IMO.
Beck’s future rests solely on his performance at this point.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 10, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

I think it was simply that Beck was an unprepared rookie, and the team morale was down

No one wanted to lose and the team had no confidence in Cam. Beck just got tossed into a bad sitch.
I guarantee that if Beck plays well and wins the job, this won’t be an issue. He just needs a chance to grow into the leadership role, and the first step is playing well.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 10, 2008 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I guess

I would like to think that even if the team thought he was totally unprepared but liked him as a player and respected him that they would have been that much more determined to rally around him and help him succeed…...Sounds crazy and all I know but aren’t they paid to do that? Even Marino would have sucked if nobody wanted to perform for him. I hope Beck is gaining the kind of respect and loyalty that the team will want to do well to not let him down – not just to keep Sporano or Parcells from going nuclear on them.

mophins

by mophins on Jul 10, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like to think it was just a symptom of the lack of leadership at the top

and the difficult situation for the team at the time. Not an excuse, I agree, but last year was extraordinarily bad.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 10, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

leadership at the top???

what is this leadership thing you speak of??? i’ve watched a lot of dolphins games since JJ retired and
I think Little Nicky lead the team one year right????? after that its kind of hazy around here?

by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 11, 2008 12:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

what are you talking about?

it says lack of leadership.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 11, 2008 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry

/sarcasm off

I was really asking what leadership is/was since other then lil nick there hasn’t been any around for a few years…

by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 11, 2008 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

agreed.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 11, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How about the myth that:

John Beck can afford to sit on the bench for a year if they bring in Favre?
:)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 11, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Closing in on the comment record.....

by KCarr9 on Jul 12, 2008 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

like 46 more

big guy

thread comment champion

by finsxfactor on Jul 12, 2008 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

45

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 12, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Henne had slightly worse numbers at a Big Ten school, apposed to Beck at a mid-major. Beck isn’t bad, but Henne is a tougher QB (played against Ohio State with a separated shoulder), and most likely a better desicion maker, or at least he will be after a few NFL games. Henne > Beck.

Go Tigers!

by Tony K on Jul 14, 2008 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

good theory...

accompany that with the size difference and the safe bet is Henne. But I don’t buy the “most likely a better decision maker”. You can’t reasonably infer that from their college performances. If anything, Beck seems to be the better decision maker. Either way, both will improve with NFL experience.
IMO

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jul 14, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs