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Dan Marino: Still the greatest QB of all-time

Ah yes, the great debate among football historians.  Who is the greatest quarterback of all-time?  It's a debate that will seemingly never end and one that can get pretty heated at times.

There are many, many ways you can judge a QB.  You can look at the basic stats.  You can look at things like wins and losses.  You can look at championships.  But today I stumbled across one of the most in-depth and statistically analytical ways to compare quarterbacks from season to season and era to era.  It's a method that quantifies a quarterback's performance in a way I've never seen, taking into account the era that the QB played in.  And it comes from Pro-Football-Reference.com.

In a nutshell, the statistician created a formula that takes into account "adjusted yards per attempt" and then takes that figure and then takes into account the league average "AY/A" as well as pass attempts.  There are also other factors involved here, so heading over to this article will explain how the math is done.

The first thing I want to point out is how Dan Marino's 1984 season still ranks as the single greatest season a quarterback has ever had in NFL history.  You can click here to see the full chart and rankings.  Below are just the "ratings" as used by PFR to determine the top 5 greatest single-season QB performances of all time:

Player Year Rating
Dan Marino 1984 2098
Peyton Manning 2004 1885
Tom Brady 2007 1817
Otto Graham 1953 1808
Steve Young 1992 1611

As you can see, Marino's 1984 season still has a rather large lead on any other season a QB has ever had.  And that's thanks, in large part, by the number of pass attempts he had and the fact that the league average for adjusted net yards per attempt was just 4.61 back in 1984.  Just think about the kinds of numbers Marino put up in an era when the passing numbers (league-wide) were nowhere near what they are today.  Simply mind-boggling.

But moving on, further down in that same article is the list of the top 75 quarterbacks of all-time based on the same stat formula.  Below I've listed the top 10:

Star-divide

Player Rating
Dan Marino 8593
Peyton Manning 7946
Steve Young 7739
Fran Tarkenton 7140
Joe Montana 7006
Dan Fouts 6672
Johnny Unitas 6211
Ken Anderson 5974
Roger Staubach 5680
Len Dawson 5604

So you can see that Marino still has a wide lead on Manning for that top spot in this rating system.  But Manning is only a few good seasons away from passing him, but I could deal with that.  At least he's not a player in our division.

How about Ken Anderson, the only player not in the Hall of Fame, coming in at number 8 on this list?  He's a guy nobody ever talks about, but he had some great seasons.  And I'm glad to see Tarkenton get some love here, too.  It seems like people always forget about him when the topic of "greatest QB" comes up.

Three noticeable players missing from the top 10 are also  3 that the media just can't seem  to get enough of - so I'm glad they aren't in the top 10.  Those  three are Brett Favre (11th), John Elway (15th), and Tom Brady (19th).  While Brady will surely move up as he continues playing with Randy Moss, I'm so glad that both Favre and Elway are not in the top 10.  Call me jealous if you'd like, but the only reasons people put Elway and Favre in the conversation of being better than Marino is because of those damn Super Bowl rings.  But if Favre wasn't with Dorsey Levens, Antonio Freeman, and Robert Brooks (oh, and Desmond Howard kind of played a big role, too, didn't he),  he wouldn't have that one ring.  And Elway better get down on his hands and knees every single day and thank whatever God he prays to that he had Terrell Davis on his team for those 2 seasons they won the Super Bowl.  Without him, Elway is still ringless.

And while we are talking about Marino and Elway, I thought I'd bring up this little nugget that was e-mailed to me.  Apparently, there's a "Professional Football Researchers Association."  They have a website that has a forum.  There was a topic in the forum about "comeback wins."

Well one of the myths of John Elway was that he had the most 4th quarterback comebacks in NFL history, with 47.  Dan Marino was 2nd with 37.  But, like I said, this is a myth.  As a poster on that site named "Clark Heins" points out, Elway's comeback stats are wrong.  Eleven of those were games in which the Broncos were leading entering the 4th quarter, the opposing team tied the game, and then the Broncos would win.  In those 11 games, the Broncos never trailed in the 4th quarter.  So those aren't 4th quarter comebacks, are they?  Also, one game against the Packers in 1987 ended in a tie and, therefore, isn't a comeback win.  Another game saw Elway get replaced due to injury by Gary Kubiak and it was Kubiak who led the final drive for the comeback win.

So if you eliminate those 13 games from his "comeback wins" record, then Elway only had 34 comebacks, meaning it's Marino with the most in NFL history - with 37.

So there you have it.  Anyway you slice it, Dan Marino is still the greatest quarterback in NFL history - as if anyone even doubted that (well, at least any Dolphin fan).

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He still never got a ring.

Sorry matty, that’s how success if measured :)

Yes, it’d the Dolphins organization’s fault for not giving Marino the right tools and the right defense to get the job done, not Marino’s, and yes, Marino has better stats then all of them, but you have to use the measure of success that’s used to measure all players, and that is super bowl rings.

I’m a diehard Dolphins fan, and Marino is easily still my favorite player of all time, and I think he will always be among the best QBs of all time, but that whole “never won a super bowl” thing simply hurts him too much from claiming it outright.

Some people try to find things in this game that don't exist but football is only two things - blocking and tackling. ~Vince Lombardi

by ratenxs on Jun 26, 2008 1:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you mean

You mean it hurts you he never got a ring. It doesn’t hurt me Dan never got a ring. What hurts me is that the Dolphins have never got a ring since I’ve been a fan. And it baffles me how some people mix individual achievements up with team accomplishments.

Dolphins = bad

Dan= good

Is this so hard to understand? I guess that’s why different people have different greatest all-time QBs. Me, I’ll never understand how people can mention Dan and Elway in the same breath. I suppose it’s because he “won” 2 super bowls.

Following the same logic, I suppose you, ratenxs, have won loads of Olympic gold medals on account of being American. I suppose you also lost those basketball medals. Darn! Maybe you were the problem with those teams! Or maybe you’re the greatest athlete of all time .

by icerob on Jun 28, 2008 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so

Is Eli Manning better than Marino? What about Kurt Warner, Trent Dilfer, Jim McMann,(and the Bucs QB, I forget his name) the list goes on.
Are these average QBs(and one good one) better than one of the GOATS because they got a ring?

by Patssuck456 on Jun 28, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ratenxs

ur a bitch

marino = best end of story

by finsxfactor on Jun 26, 2008 1:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

take it easy killer

you’re outta control lol.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 26, 2008 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alright hank...

i’ll call off the hounds

by finsxfactor on Jun 26, 2008 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy Loly

That was great.

11

y not if im wrong who will remember

by qbinfin on Apr 27, 2008 3:27 PM PDT

by DolfinPhan on Jun 26, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a difficult argument..

to try to come up with The Single Greatest Player in a sport. And in football, it’s even harder to come up with, because there’s never a general consensus of the Top Player at any one POSITION, let alone the entire sport.

I would put Marino in the conversation of Greatest QB’s of all-time, but it’s impossible to prove that he’s the greatest, just as it’s impossible to prove anybody else is the greatest. There are reasonable arguments for at least 5 or 6 QB’s on the list, and none of them are wrong.

However, as a Dolphin fan who spent most of my life watching Marino play, he gets my vote. But I can’t prove he was better than Montana because Montana has rings. And somebody arguing for Montana can’t prove he was better than Marino because he never put up numbers like Danny.

http://miamiheattimes.blogspot.com/ A blog dedicated to the 2006 NBA Champs, The Miami Heat

by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 26, 2008 1:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well put.

if you go by SB wins, ya got bradshaw, montana, and brady as being very successful QBs. If you go by stats, ya got marino and manning, and ya gotta throw brady in there again for consecutive wins and single season TDs.
but one thing is absolutely clear…. you can’t really have the conversation without considering Dan.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 26, 2008 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greatest ball-boy ever

It’s Ricky Smith of the 80’s 49ers, easy. I mean, he won like 5 superbowls. He often fell asleep on the job, and gave inside info to niner opponents, but hey, you can’t argue with the rings.

by icerob on Jun 28, 2008 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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