Weekend Roundup: All Jason, All the Time
by Matty I on Jun 2, 2008 12:15 AM EDT
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I hope you all had a great weekend.
Unfortunately, the weekend headlines were yet again dominated by non other than Jason Taylor. As you all know, Taylor held a press conference in South Florida on Sunday. And what was reportedly supposed to be Taylor's time to come clean and openly demand a trade turned into just another twist in the saga that is Jason Taylor's future plans.
So let's start with some quotes from the Jason, which include the revelation that 2008 is likely Taylor's last season before he retires from the game of football:
“I’m disappointed when you’re away and people are having a chance to take shots at you for certain things and you don’t have a chance to really set the record straight."
“Do I want to be traded? I want to win in ‘08, and that’s what I want to do. I told the Dolphins from Day One that was my intentions. My intentions right now are to play one more year. I tried to give the Dolphins an opportunity that if they wanted to do something and move me that I was OK with that. If they could get value for me, then do that. That was a conversation we had behind closed doors a long time ago.”
“I told the Dolphins from Day One that if it was in the best interests of the organization that I would be fine with a trade. They shopped the trade and did all that and did get the value, and I’m fine with that. I wanted to be up front with the Dolphins and say ‘Look, I plan on playing one more year and let it go’ and give them an opportunity to do what they could with it.”
“I’m playing ball in ‘08. If [a trade] doesn’t work out then I’m a Miami Dolphin. That's what I've been for 11 years. What better way. I love this place."
“I never said ‘Trade me or I’m going to boycott.’ No. I’ve seen all these things. Trust me. All the boycotts .. Wow, there’s a lot of stuff out there. But there’s no demand to be traded.”
Taylor also said that he wouldn't be at the next round of OTAs, which begin today. He also said he does indeed plan to miss next weekend's mandatory mini-camp, meaning he will be fined $8,600 for each day that he misses.
As far as training camp goes, Taylor really found a way to completely avoid giving an answer. He said:
"I can't [predict] what is going to happen in two months. I can't. I've talked to Tony. I haven't talked to Bill. I'm sure Tony talked to Bill. I think we're on the same page. He knows where I stand, and what I plan to do."
Clearly, Jason's plan here was to come off not looking like the bad guy. But just dancing around some key questions isn't good enough. If he wanted to look like the good guy here, he could have easily said that if he isn't traded, he would be in training camp on time in Davie. Instead, he made up some BS answer that really doesn't answer anything.
Some people fans, though, might be saying that since Taylor said he'll play in Miami in '08 if he isn't traded, this shows that all of the "Taylor haters" out there were wrong. But that's not accurate. What good is it if Jason doesn't report to Miami until late August or even early September? Does that really help the team? Or is Taylor just showing up so that he can collect his '08 salary before retirement?
To be honest, though, this whole entire situation just sickens me. It really does. And what I'm hoping for is for Taylor to be traded...and traded soon. Why? Just for the sole purpose that we, as Dolphin fans, wouldn't have to worry about this ridiculous shit anymore. I don't want to be talking about training camp in July and August and have to do a daily JT report discussing his whereabouts and if he might finally show up in Davie. Instead, I want to talk about the future of this team and discuss the players that are working their asses off day in and day out.
And another thing that bothers me here is how much contradicting Taylor did at his press conference. At one point, Taylor says, "This is not about Jason Taylor. I’m just a guy. … This is about the Miami Dolphins, which are so much bigger than me.” However, earlier he made it a point to say that he told the Dolphins that he was "OK" with them looking to trade him.
OK? Sorry, but the Dolphins don't need "Lord Taylor's" approval to trade him. It bothers me that he's trying to come off as the good guy. And this quote really disgusts me:
"I’ll always be a Dolphin and my heart will always be here, regardless of what happens in the future."
Sorry, Jason, but that shit doesn't fly with me. You can't have your agent privately request a trade from the team in January as well as have everybody around you say that you want to be traded and then come out and say you'll always be a Dolphin.
Dan Marino? He'll always be a Dolphin. He never once requested a trade. Zach Thomas? He'll always be a Dolphin. Despite being cut by the team, he was quoted as saying he could never play for the Patriots because of his loyalty for the Dolphins. Sam Madison is another guy who will always be a Dolphin. Again, despite being cut, he made it a point to get the word out to Dolphin fans that his new team's Super Bowl victory was also for us Fin fans.
As for Taylor, he'll likely be remembered as the franchise's all-time greatest defensive player. And there's no argument from me. He'll also always remain one of my favorite players, despite this saga. But if anyone ever puts him in the category of "true Miami Dolphins," then you are just insulting guys like Marino and Thomas. It's that simple. A "true Miami Dolphin" would never have acted as Taylor is acting this offseason.
POSSIBLE TRADE PARTNERS
On Friday, Adam Schefter tossed out 5 teams who have at least shown some interest in trading for Taylor. Those 5 that he lists are Dallas, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, and San Diego.
Of those 5, Schefter says that the Cowboys are the most intriguing. This is for 2 reasons. One, Bill Parcells obviously knows Dallas' personnel very well. And two, the Cowboys have 2 3rd round picks in '09 as well as 2 4th rounders. They also have an unhappy Greg Ellis. Ellis will be 33 in August, so he's no youngster, either. But he'd make a solid stop-gap until the Dolphins can find a young stud pass-rushing OLB for their 3-4 defense. And Ellis is coming off of a 12.5 sacks season, despite missing 3 games. Of course, he wouldn't come without risk. Ellis has missed 10 games since 2006.
This story likely isn't going away quickly, though. So as much as I (and many of you) hate it, we're going to be forced to talk about Taylor quite often despite the fact that he's the only Dolphins player not attending OTAs and next weekend's mini-camp.
You got to love that leadership from Jason, right?
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...wow, just ignorant
I can’t believe how ignorant you, and a lot of other angry and narrow-minded Dolphins commentators can be right now.
First of all, why are you “worrying about this ridiculous shit”? This really isn’t that big of a deal. Just calm down. So many fans just let their immediate emotions consume them and then you end up saying inane (and self-centered) things like “I don’t want to talk about this anymore”. You know what? You don’t have to. If you want to talk about the young guys and the guys who are present at practice, then write articles about them. Just because you feel like you have to write another JT article which clearly upsets you so much doesn’t mean that you need to find a new angle to approach it. This story really hasn’t changed that much from the beginning. It’s just got more media attention, and for the people who don’t follow the facts, that exposure seems to alter their perception of the situation. That seems to be the case with you.
And please just read what you wrote about JT not being a “true Miami Dolphin” and sleep on it and tell me if that’s what you really think. Because quite frankly, what’s truly insulting is for a true Dolphin fan to hear bitter people like you try and tear down his legacy as one of the all-time great Miami Dolphins.
It’s called perspective people, and most of you could use some right about now.
Check out my Dolphins site for news and analysis: http://www.phinaticism.blogspot.com
by PhinPhan in MA on Jun 2, 2008 12:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a pretty big deal..
Our best defensive player, and arguably one of the best defensive players in Dolphins history, is trying to worm his way out of Miami so he can get some more face time before his acting career. No biggie right? The face of the franchise wants out, but still wants everyone to love him.
He says he “wants to win in ‘08” in response to the question of him wanting a trade. Well guess what? So does EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAYER ON THE ROSTER. And guess who is the only player on said roster that’s not in camp working his ass off to “win in ‘08.” That’s right. Jason Taylor. If he wanted to win so badly, wouldn’t you expect him to be here with the rest of the team?
As for insulting, I think the most insulting part of this whole circus is JT basically saying his teammates suck. Now, I can be realistic as a fan and say were not winning the Super Bowl this year, but Jason is a player, the best player on this team, and he’s pretty much coming out saying we can’t contend and he wants to go elsewhere to win because we can’t. Great attitude going into a season by our Fearless Leader. Here’s some perspective… Anybody who is a “true Dolphin fan” should be insulted because one of the all-time greatest Dolphins has given up on this team, the team we all cheer for regardless of who’s inside the helmet, before the season even starts.
Super Bowl or Bust
by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 2, 2008 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignorant?
Do you even know the meaning of the word ignorant? If you do, you’d realize that “ignorant” is something I’m not.
Also, by saying that it’s “insulting for a true Dolphin fan to hear bitter people like you,” are you saying I’m not a true Dolphin fan? Because if you are, then you, my friend, are the ignorant one.
One more thing. You need to realize that I’m not saying he isn’t one of the all-time great Dolphins. If you read my post, you’d see that I said he’s probably the best defensive player in Dolphin history. But he’s not a “true Dolphin” the way guys like Marino and Thomas are.
Understand the difference or do I need to spell it out for you?
by Matty I on Jun 2, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m quite aware of what ignorant means – unaware or foolish. And that’s precisely what I feel most people are who are taking this situation and exploding it into some giant pissing match.
And I think it’s particularly ironic that you list Sam Madison as a “true Miami Dolphin” (which I agree with) and if you read here (http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2008/05/madison-on-jt.html) you’ll see that he says “Jason is a Dolphin for life. He’s sort of in that category as Dan Marino…”
Well, I suppose it’s all opinion, but if you’re calling Sam Madison a “true Dolphin”, his opinion on who other “true Dolphins” are must hold significant weight.
Check out my Dolphins site for news and analysis: http://www.phinaticism.blogspot.com
by PhinPhan in MA on Jun 2, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ughhhhh, anyway….....
I say, right on Matty!! I care because I don’t wan’t to see our team have another 1 win 0-16 season. {get it? :) } Matty, allow me to sum it up, JT is full of crap! I wish he that he would have gotten traded a long time ago. Mabe by some “unfortunate” injury, someone will get hurt and this guy can dance right on out of town. With a sleeveless shirt. :)
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
by AussieKen on Jun 2, 2008 1:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It just won't stop
The thing that hurts the most here, is that is a no win situation for dolphin fans period. No matter if he chooses to come back and play this last year, chemistry i’m sure will be an issue in the locker room after all this fiasco, if he gets traded you loose the best defensive player on the team, and if he retires same thing. This whole issue was handled wrong from the beginning both Parcells and Taylor, now is a mess that somebody is going to have to clean up, and I agree the sooner it ends the better. And as to the first poster, Hey everybody is entitled to they’re opinion. I honestly think Taylor is going to retire, I don’t see us trading him for a third round pick. Sad but true.
Champions aren't made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them -- a desire, a dream, a vision.
Muhammad Ali, American Boxer
by Finnatic on Jun 2, 2008 2:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mmmmm spam^
Anyway Matty I would like to point something out
OK? Sorry, but the Dolphins don’t need “Lord Taylor’s” approval to trade him.”
A player can block a trade if he doent want t go to a particular team, just look at the T.O situation a few years aago
by Patssuck456 on Jun 2, 2008 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only way Taylor could block a trade...
...is if the trade is contingent on Taylor restructuring his contract (and he chooses not to do so) or if he says he’ll retire before being traded to _ team. Otherwise, if the Dolphins trade him, he has to go. Period.
by Matty I on Jun 2, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohh Ok
Thanks for clearing that up
by Patssuck456 on Jun 6, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 year?
Are the Dolphins going to get value for a guy that wants to retire in a year? No! Will the Dolphins get any effort from a guy that is in his last season? NO! Take what we can get. . . a 4th or 5th rounder and cut Taylor loose. I think hanging on to stars with declining skills is the way to continue losing. I’m looking to the future. I am honestly more saddened by Lorenzo Booker not being back than the thought of JT leaving. JT is an All time Dolphin great. He deserves to be in the ring of honor one day. Matty, time will heal the wound and you will look back at JT’s entire Dolphin carrer and smile.
Phatfinfan
by phatfinfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Spoiled Athletes
The thing that gets me is that athletes today are so spoiled that they think becasue they have put in their “time” in any particular sport, whether it be the NBA or the NFL or whathave you that they think they deserve to play for a contender and derserve to play for a competitor because they have some how “earned” it. I have alaways thought this and now it is happening on what happens to be my fave team. Does it surprise me any…not really…does it frustrate me, of course. I’d like to think that there are players out there that will actually be a stand up guy, and honor a contract and not demand….errrrrrrrrrrrr! “request” a trade from the team that the SIGNED a contract for, but I’m slowing begginning to believe there are no more out there. So, in reality this really isnt a Miami Dolphin problem its a classic example of “Spoiled Athlete” syndrom and its getting worse and worse becasue players should not have this power, (look at Terrell Owens, he basically picked the team he wanted to play for) they are not above the sport and people like Parcells know that and despise it and we need more coaches and ownership to call these guys on there demands and bluffs about not showing up at camp and causing media uproar. Show up, honor your contract like the “man of the year” if you get traded you get traded. Spoiled i tell you…spoiled.
by dlux2561 on Jun 2, 2008 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Give The God-King A Break
How does Bill Parcells escape unscathed here?
There were a lot of people here talking up a JT trade before and during the draft.
Isn’t it painfully obvious to you that JT has probably been completely open about his plans with management?
Seriously folks, Parcells’ plan is to leverage JT into staying. He did so by demanding too high a draft pick.
In doing so he may potentially get nothing. Nada.
If no trade occurs and JT plays only one season more as a Dolphin then guess who looks like the idiot. You got it: Bill Parcells.
At this point they need to decide whether they want JT to help the team start off in the right direction or whether they need to lower their asking price of a 1st rounder and get something for the future.
JT needs some blame too. He’s more than a little hypocritical about his “I want to win” mantra and his 40% effort this off season.
If you want to win, JT, train hard and get into camp. If you’re on the Dolphins this year your best bet at winning isn’t by jet-setting and lounging in NY Clubs.
www.thephinisher.com
by The Phinisher on Jun 2, 2008 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Bill Parcells wanted to get rid of the guy he easily could have. He could have taken a low pick and maybe sign Calvin Pace. So they obviously know what they’re doing. I think they are just taking their time with the rest of the team, looking at the Offensive and defensive lines, then they’ll address that position. And they will save some cap money when he does retire so what difference does it make. He can retire, they can draft a pass rusher, plus maybe we’ll even have a QB by then.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
by AussieKen on Jun 2, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Difference
Is getting something for him.
Anything.
Look, I’ve been one of the biggest JT advocates here. I want him to play this year and finish out with class, as a Dolphin.
I’m also excited about the personnel decisions made by the new regime. I like the draft and I like the emphasis on conditioning.
(I particularly love hearing some of the vets who have been down here for years talk about how the heat could be an edge for them. Could be? What the hell were you guys doing for the last four years)
I was also not one of the people desiring a JT trade. I directed my comments to them. I wonder why it is that they insist on saddling JT alone with the guilt. They wanted him gone and something in return. It was Bill Parcells who didn’t get a trade done because he asked for too much.
I don’t have to write Parcells a blank check on every decision. JT said that Parcells snubbed him in the film room. I can freely criticize Parcells AND Taylor for not acting like adults after such a childish situation.
Who knows? Maybe JT plays as a Phin this year and the team is markedly better and he decides to finish his contract in 2009, trying to make the playoffs.
www.thephinisher.com
by The Phinisher on Jun 2, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be ok with
This if it was about money. I almost always side with player when it comes to money only because they have a small window to make big money, so i say get it when you can. This is about wanting to win? If he was committed to winning he would be in camp making himself and teamates better. I think its more to do with an excuse so he can have the summer off to hang out with his friends. His thinking is If he gets traded fine, if not I’ll see you in september. A couple of things stood out to me
1. He never said he would take a trade only to a contender, just I will be ok if its in the best intrest of the Dolphins to trade me. So if he was traded to the 49ers he would be ok with that?
2. His statement "I’m disappointed when you’re away and people are having a chance to take shots at you for certain things and you don’t have a chance to really set the record straight.” Then he proceeds to confirm everything Sparano said. Jt will not show for the rest of the team activities and right now we don’t expect him at training camp.
If JT misses training camp don’t be surprised if he shows up fails the run that all players are required to pass before getting on the field and find himself on a reserve list for the first 4 weeks unpaid.
I also will predict JT will play out both years of his contract, why, because hes not leaving 9 million on the table.
by jvw on Jun 2, 2008 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JT Deserves Better
After all Taylor has done for this franchise, the blame for this situation should fall completely on Bill Parcells’ shoulders. You don’t get many opportunities to boost a post-NFL career, and I give JT all the credit for going for it, all while Parcells was a total prick,
You can see a split among the blogosphere here: http://thesouthfloridafan.blogspot.com/2008/06/blogosphere-divide-jt-2-parcells-2.html
Some support your opinion, some don’t. I think we should all be behind JT though.
by ads109 on Jun 2, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I find it funny...
...that you call Parcells a prick when he hasn’t even said anything in public about this situation in months. I also find it amusing that people, like you, seem to be missing the entire point most of us are speaking to. We don’t begrudge JT wanting to have a career AFTER football. If that is what he wants, then retire and then go act. Most of us would wish him well. The point here is that JT is clearly being disingenuous. What did he say yesterday that cleared up all that has been said lately in the press thru various outlets? Nothing. He cleared nothing up. He never admitted to telling the team he wants to be traded, even though he says he wouldn’t be opposed to a trade. That is called not taking responsibility, or trying to pass the buck.
“I’m not saying I want a divorce, but if you want one, its ok with me.”
All we are asking from JT is to make the committment, one way or the other. If you WANT to be traded, man up and come out and say that. He hasn’t.
Lets see, Bill Parcells came here and is committed to making this team into a winner. That’s whose side I will be on. As long as JT wants to try and backdoor his way out of town, he doesn’t get my support. Sorry, but I am loyal to my team, not to someone who is trying every way he can to get off my team.
by dab415217 on Jun 2, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm behind my team.
We root for these players because they played for the Dolphins. If JT had played for the Raiders we would not be even talking about this. Yes, I’m a JT fan because he played for the Dolphins. Now that he wants to leave, and its quite clear that he does, he just won’t come out and say it in public and take the heat for it, I am less of a JT fan.
Every athlete wants to win. However, when that athlete wants to take te easy way out to do it, I question their loyalty to my team. Dolphins fan first, JT fan second. Its that simple.
by dab415217 on Jun 2, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agree ^^^ with dab
Ive said it before and I’ll say it again we are fans of the Miami Dolphins!!! As for the this
~ the blame for this situation should fall completely on Bill Parcells’ shoulders~
do you expect BP to come in here and let the players demand trades and do what they want, NO. The man is hear to build the team like one should be built. We have all been asking for a winning franchise and now that we have the best man availible to to just that we are putting blame on him for trying to improve the team. That really dont make much sense to me. If the man only wants to play one more year as he stated his trade value is deminished making it less likely he is moved. And in now way should we just take a 4th rounder for him I say let him play this year then retire and leave his 9mil or so on the table to go act. Just stop all the bullshitting and get on with it.
by jwillis9 on Jun 2, 2008 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's sad when the athletes we admire....
...open their mouths and show their true characters. Bill Parcells is a guy I firmly believe I would not like were we to ever meet face to face. That’s just an assumption. Jason has one of those good guy personas because he stays out of trouble and says classy things.
The truth is we can pick it all apart and try to find ONE scapegoat to pin this childish situation on (i’ll add a third party – the media, and a fourth, JT’s agent), but football’s a business. Miami traded Zach Thomas away despite his contributions and presence on the team. He knew it wasn’t personal. They knew it wasn’t personal. So however Miami treats Jason in this situation (and I would have to say that it’s been fairly above board, because they could be badmouthing at will if they wanted to), is likely par for the course. JT’s being businesslike too. He HAS to look out for his interests, it’s not like Miami as an organization will do that for him.
THAT all being said, I would refer JT to Lindsay Lohan. A chronic no-show and on-set problem. Why Lindsay? Because, no one in Hollywood (with legitimate, Oscar worthy film offers anyway) will hire her. They take their contracts seriously. If JT wants to win Hollywood’s heart, and prove he can act, he should start by proving he can HONOR A CONTRACT. Show up with your teammates. If you’re traded go to that teams OTAs. Be a man of honor and do what is asked of you in accordance to your contract that you signed. If you want to star in the next Pauly Shore flick, keep on keeping on JT.
It all boils down to WORD. You have integrity or you don’t. Integrity is the basis for everything in this country. I think we are all surprised by the seeming LACK of it from JT right now. It comes across as selfishness, but it’s not selfishness. It’s integrity.
JT if you read this stuff, get your ass to camp. Hollywood (barring a major earthquake) will be there in the future. If that future is a year away, shut up and suit up Dolphin, since you’ve already decreased your value in making that statement to begin with.
Have integrity.
by mikem1224 on Jun 2, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dancing With the Stars may not have been available...and BP IS a prick
Fame is a short-lived friend. He may not have gotten the chance to do Dancing With theh Stars if he waited a couple more years. You seize the chance when it comes. Period.
As for Parcells, yes, he was a total prick. When you join an organization, you make an attempt to indoctrinate yourself with the team’s most respectable players. You diffuse situations, not let them fester. Does TO raise any memories? Do you guys remember when he said “the player.”
Parcells is great at building teams, but his people skills are horrific. Sadly, that aspect of his personality has only gotten worse over the years. Terrible behavior with the Jets and especially the Cowboys. He’s a pompous asshole who could have just called JT up and said “I’m excited to be a part of your organization. Good luck. We’ll see you at camp.” He created this fiasco.
by ads109 on Jun 2, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So Taylor had no part in creating this mess?
Is that what you’re saying?
If so, I don’t really understand that logic.
by Matty I on Jun 2, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost
Yes, I think Taylor gets a tiny part of the blame. He didn’t deal with the situation well once it started, but he was, after all, a little busy.
What amazes me, though, is how you can just ignore the track records of the parties involved. Let’s see:
1. Jason Taylor – Always great teammate, always prepared for season, stayed loyal to a horrid team through coaching changes, poor personnel moves, and media scrutiny.
2. Bill Parcells – Reputed jerk, gets into squabbles with teammates and media constantly, doesn’t dignify people by saying their names (which is so unbelievably rude, by the way), known dictator, no-nonsense yet pervades nonsense. Bailed on teams EVERY SINGLE TIME, plays teams against each other to make more money.
Think about that before you start making assumptions. All Jason Taylor did was follow a great opportunity. The rest is Parcells being a prick.
by ads109 on Jun 2, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the old song goes...
“Nobody’s right when everybody’s wrong”. I can’t say for certain if that’s the case here, but it sure is what it looks like to me.
by Deof Movestofca on Jun 3, 2008 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matty, buddy...
Some people try to find things in this game that don't exist but football is only two things - blocking and tackling. ~Vince Lombardi
by ratenxs on Jun 2, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
formatting messed up...
apparently using the number sign messes up line breaks….
Some people try to find things in this game that don't exist but football is only two things - blocking and tackling. ~Vince Lombardi
by ratenxs on Jun 2, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points
I do have another Jason Taylor post coming in the near future. But after that one, I hope to get back to some other topics I want to touch on.
Thanks for your input, buddy.
by Matty I on Jun 2, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
id much rather hear about other dolphins news than more of this… theres not much more to be said on the subject and everyone seems to have their minds made up one way or another, so in my ideal world we’d just wait until theres a final decision (he is traded, retires, or is playing) until we touch on this again…
just wanted to give my input
by dolfanstanley on Jun 2, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it matter?
I keep going back and forth on who is to fault here. I think we as Dolphans feel betrayed by JT for not wanting to retire a Phin and help make us winners again. Bottom line is it probably doesn’t matter anymore. With JT saying he wants to play one year and be done we’re not going to get squat in any trade scenario. Who would want to give up any kind of real draft picks for a one year wonder? It’s a shame. We’ve all loved Taylor and what he’s done for our team but I think he’s trying to angle for his release. What other logical reason is there to say I want to play for one year? No matter how badly we want this to be over, I think it’s going to be a long long time before it is.
mophins
by mophins on Jun 2, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line is...
The organizaton is the TEAM saying that we would like to explore a trade with a player, they are entitled to search it out because it is in the best interest for the TEAM! Thats what GM’s and coaches do!!! They try to improve the TEAM!!! When a player is requesting (demanding) to be traded becasue he thinks he is entitled to play for a contender because he put in his time it makes HIM look like the pompous a$$hole. Players are not above the TEMA…bottom line. I side with the organization period and if your a true dolphins fan you would be too.
by dlux2561 on Jun 2, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but there's a big difference there....
Requesting a trade is not the same as demanding one. In the former, the player is saying he’ll keep playing even if a trade doesn’t happen, while that’s not the case in the latter.
by Deof Movestofca on Jun 3, 2008 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JT stories
brings the most traffic in, and matty is in the biz to try to generate traffic. bottom line.
But seriously, the real issue here is the fact that JT has thrown his value under the bus by announcing he’s only playing 1 year. What organization in the right mind is going to give up a first day pick for a guy who’s 1 n done??? He would have not gone public with that news had the new Trifecta of power handled this situation like normal adults. Therefore, I blame them rather than JT in all of this, even tho JT is saying hypocrital things like ” I have no antimosity towards management ” and dodges the training camp issue.
by YatilGinnJr on Jun 2, 2008 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about? Who doesn’t know that he’s looking into being an “actor”? The moment he stepped foot on that dancing show it was all over. Thats what made his trade value plunge because instead of preparing for the season – he was dancing. lol. I mean come on! Like I said before I just think they’ll sign someone else for his salary slot and save some money wen he retires. Its just their descision there is no need to make a trade unless its a significant pick like a 1st or 2nd.
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by AussieKen on Jun 2, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on a rebuilding team even a 3rd round pick or a cuple 4th round picks are valuable
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by NeverSellout on Jun 2, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one?
Let’s get serious people. Think about all picks/players we could pick up in a JT trade. You see what KC did with Jared Allen? JT could command quite a bit.
Gritty and Clutch takes a shot at it here:
http://grittyandclutch.blogspot.com/2008/06/dolphins-taylor-wants-trade-networks.html
by Gritty&Clutch on Jun 2, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nope
if jason taylor were 26 (or however old allen is but he is very young), was the most productive DE last year, and didnt say he was only playing one more year, then JT could command quite a bit.
but no team MUST have a guy with questionable motivation and 1 year left
by dolfanstanley on Jun 3, 2008 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what was reportedly supposed to be Taylor’s time to come clean and openly demand a trade turned into just another twist in the saga that is Jason Taylor’s future plans.In other words, you (and Salguero as well, for that matter) are ticked off because JT didn’t follow the script you wanted him to follow. Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe the reports about him demanding a trade could have been wrong or exaggerated, dare I say possibly (not saying that it is, just raising the possibility) Parcellian propaganda? The fact is that no one- not you, not I, not any journalist or blogger- except for people like JT, Parcells, Sparano, Ireland, maybe JT’s agent and a few others know the truth about what’s going on behind close doors and those pretending that they do need to stop.
What good is it if Jason doesn’t report to Miami until late August or even early September? Does that really help the team?Maybe we should ask Michael Strahan what good such a player can do for his team.
But just dancing around some key questions isn’t good enough.Why not, when it was good enough for Sparano?
And another thing that bothers me here is how much contradicting Taylor did at his press conference. At one point, Taylor says, “This is not about Jason Taylor. I’m just a guy. … This is about the Miami Dolphins, which are so much bigger than me." However, earlier he made it a point to say that he told the Dolphins that he was “OK” with them looking to trade him.OK? Sorry, but the Dolphins don’t need “Lord Taylor’s” approval to trade him.
Where does he specifically state that they do need his approval? If I told my boss I was ok with being moved from nights to days, am I saying that he needs my approval or simply that I wouldn’t put up a fuss about it if he did so? This is a poor attempt to twist his words.
You can’t have your agent privately request a trade from the team in January as well as have everybody around you say that you want to be traded and then come out and say you’ll always be a Dolphin.SOURCE?
My own view is that there’s probably plenty of blame to go around for both sides, but at least I’m honest to admit that that I don’t know what I don’t know.
by Deof Movestofca on Jun 3, 2008 5:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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