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Ted Ginn: Talking Expectations

You'll remember that back in January I took a look at Ted Ginn's rookie season and compared it to those of the games top receivers.  It showed that while Teddy didn't have a great season by any stretch of the imagination, there was indeed reason for hope.

Then today I stumbled across the AFC East predictions provided by the guys over at WhatIfSports.com.  In their preview, they have Ginn's numbers for 2008 as follows: 46 catches for 751 yards, and 4 touchdowns.  Hardly anything impressive.

But that got me thinking.  What would we all like to see out of Teddy in 2008 for his season to be considered a success?  That's the question I pose to you all.  And below I provide a little food for thought.

First, you can click here to see how Ted's numbers compare to the rookie figures of other receivers.  Then you can look below to see how well some of the game's top receivers fared in year #2 of their NFL careers:

Player Rec Yards TDs
Reggie Wayne 49 716 4
Randy Moss 80 1413 11
Chad Johnson 69 1166 5
Larry Fitzgerald 103 1409 10
Terrell Owens 60 936 8
Brandon Marshall 102 1325 7
Braylon Edwards 61 884 6
Marques Colston 98 1202 11
Roddy White 30 506 0
Torry Holt 82 1635 6

Just to clarify, those 10 receivers above were the top 10 players in 2007 in receiving yards.  So that's why I chose to look at those particular players.

As you can see, 6 of the 10 players reached that 1,000 yard plateau while 5 of them scored at least 7 touchdowns.  But I think you also have to note that most of those who had big 2nd years also benefited from good quarterback play.

So how can we relate these numbers to Ted Ginn?  Well it's really impossible to do so because of the various factors that go into the production of a wide receiver.  However, I think we can at least play around with these numbers to reach some kind of conclusion on what kind of production out of Ginn in 2008 would be considered a "reasonable expectation."

First, if you take an average of these figures above, you'd come up with 73 catches for 1,119 yards and 7 touchdowns.  Still lofty expectations, right?

But from here, let's go 1/2 of a standard deviation lower from each of the averages.  If you do that, you'd come up with the stat line of 61-943-5.  Much more reasonable now.

And there you have my personal expectations for Ted Ginn in 2008.  I'm looking for between 60 and 70 catches, between 900 and 1,000 yards, and in the 5 to 7 range for touchdowns.  And if anyone thinks these are unreachable numbers, consider this.  If Ginn catches 4 passes per game for 59 yards, he'd have a 16 game total of 64 receptions for 944 yards, which is almost identical to the figures I came up with above using the "1/2 standard deviation" method.

So what do you think?  Is a 2008 stat line of 64-944-6 too much to ask for out of Teddy?  Am I being too unrealistic?  Or am I being too pessimistic and should I raise my expectations for Ted in 2008 even higher?

Tell me below...

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Maybe a little high..

and not because I don’t think Ted is capable of it. I just feel like that’s alot to expect when you consider the variables involved. A) we will be a run heavy offense with a brand new QB, so opportunities, especially early in the season, will be rare for Ginn. He will probably get off to a slow start. B) Out of all our receivers, TG is the only one that will put the fear of the big play in defenses. He’s the only guy we got that can take one to the endzone from anywhere on the field, and I think he’ll command more attention than, say, Wilford or Hagan. Teams will leave a safety over the top to take away the deep threat.

My prediction: 50 catches, 750 yds, 5 tds.
I do think he will score at LEAST twice on kick/punt returns though…

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 19, 2008 12:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

These are only guesses

There’s no way anyone can even come close to predicting what a player will do year to year. Ginn has great potential and with the right elements involved, the sky is the limit.

by Quinyne on Jun 19, 2008 2:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

of course these are just guesses

The point was to ask what kind of numbers you want to see out of Teddy for you to call his season a success.

by Matty I on Jun 19, 2008 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully

I am hoping that he can be in the same catagory as holt and moss…..he has the speed and the capability…but it’s his route running that’s sloppy…but that can be fixed….i just hope he doesn’t get injured a lot…..as soon as the phins get a competant qb back there and a line to protect them…ted ginn will be great …until then look for subpar numbers…..i’m just opptomistic just like any other fan of the dolphins are….....i hope i’m wrong…but I reallly really really really really really really really really reallly really miss marino..

by mikealsky on Jun 19, 2008 5:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Because of the heavy run game...

...Wilford, Hagan and the TE will probably get most of the TD opportunities. Ginn is a speed receiver plain and simple, he’ll help us between the 20’s but unless he has some breakaway plays (which obviously he is capable of), I feel like a receiving TD every 3 games would be a success. Also I think that if he can average 2 or 3 big plays per game, about 50 yards, that would also be a success. I do agree with Nicky that if he is returning that he will get a couple of TD’s on Special Teams. So that gives him a line of 48 catches, 800 yds, 4 receiving TD’s and 6 total. That, in my humble opinion will be a very successful year for Ginn. Until he establishes good chemistry with one QB and learns to run better routes he will be a Joey Galloway type of receiver. I would be very ok with that.

BTW Galloways career yearly averages are: 51 catches, 813 yds and 6 TD’s and surprisingly no TD returns.

by hwyatt3 on Jun 19, 2008 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm good with your numbers, Matty

I also agree with hwyatt, except that I actually expect Ginn to score. He is a speed receiver, but he needs to be able to break a tackle or juke a guy once in a while. I expect that when he catches that long pass with one guy to beat, that he beats him.

That has been my biggest gripe about Ginn. He folds like bad origami at the the first hint of contact, and doesn’t seem to have the “short, shifty” speed you would like to see. His long speed is great, but I question his vision and balance at this point. What i want more than particular numbers is for Ginn to show improvement in this area.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 19, 2008 10:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ted Ginn Jr

IMO, Ted Ginn Jr will have these numbers if he plays the entire season.
60 receptions
800 yards
7-TDs

by NumberOneFan on Jun 19, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ginn

His play will largely depend on the QB. Ginn’s numbers will be better with Beck b/c of continuity. If our running game is good this year (I think this will be our best running o-line since the 70’s) Ted will be catching some play-action bombs.

Receptions: 60
Yards: 800+
TDs: 8

Special teams TD’s: 4 – He scored one last year (two were it not for a holding call) with a terrible special teams unit. We will be much improved this year on special teams.

by gophish on Jun 19, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well it looks like everyone is roughly on the same page.

Reasonable expectations, assuming a good running game, decent QB play, and some improvement in STs.

Don’t forget though, that Ginn will need AT LEAST one other primary receiving target to step up in the passing game, and who that will be is still an unknown at this point. It would be optimum to have someone like Wilford develop into the #1 target, and one of our TEs to become a solid receiving threat. That would help Ginn out a lot.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 19, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you look at similar players to Ginn in a similar offense...

Keep in mind that these players were/are all run heavy Parcells-like offenses

Joey Galloway (Dallas in 2003, Parcells first year) missed 5 games
Totals 34-672 19.8 ypc 2 TDs Projected to a full season: 50-971 19.4 4 TDs

Terry Glenn (Dallas in 2003, Parcells first year) missed 3 games
Totals 52-754 14.5 5 TDs Projected to a full year: 56-812 14.5 6 TDs

Steve Smith 54-872 16.1 3 TD 2nd year Dan Henning Offense
Steve Smith 88-1110 12.6 7 TD 3rd year Dan Henning Offense

Santana Moss 74-1109 14.9 10 TD 3rd year similar player to Ginn
Mark Clayton 67-939 14.0 5 TD 2nd year similar player to Ginn
Lee Evans 48-743 15.5 7 TD 2nd year similar player to Ginn
Santonio Holmes 52-942 18.1 8 TD 2nd year similar player to Ginn

Averages of the above:
61-937 15.3 6 TD

pretty close to Matty’s statistical 61-943-5 and projected 64-944-6

My projection: 60-900-6
Still not worthy of a high first round pick, but good for the team

by DolphDallas on Jun 19, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

good info

I didn’t even think to include S Smith…and he even played with Henning as you pointed out.

thanks for the info

by Matty I on Jun 19, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

800-900 yards

seems reasonable to me.

by Patssuck456 on Jun 19, 2008 11:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind...

...this is only his second year…and comparing him to Steve Smith who is one of the greatest route runners of all time…is a little bit of a “fan stretch”. Unfortunate as it is, we are still coming off an abysmal year and entering a new season with very little time to develop continuity between players on or off the field. I will be surprised if he tallies more than 50 rec and 800 yds. and even that contribution would be enough to help us be 500 ball club.

by hwyatt3 on Jun 20, 2008 12:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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