Training Camp Primer: Who has most to gain?
From now until training camp kicks off, I'll have little previews like this one below as a way to get those "football juices" flowing and (hopefully) get some discussion going on around here.
Today we'll discuss which 5 players (well, not exactly 5) have the most to gain by having a great training camp/preseason. Of course there will be others not listed that have a lot to gain as well. And that's why I think these little "primers" will be a good way to spark some debate. So let's get to it.
John Beck / Josh McCown / Chad Henne
This is obviously going to be the key battle to watch in camp and will likely be the most scrutinized battle as well. All three of these players have everything to gain by having great camps. John Beck is the 2nd year player who was drafted by a previous regime and was part of the worst season in franchise history. Josh McCown was the chosen veteran by this regime to be the experienced QB on the roster. Chad Henne was the hand-picked 2nd round rookie QB who enters the league with high hopes.
For Beck, he's looking to prove that his performance last season was due to two things: being handled poorly by the coaching staff and having a very poor supporting cast around him. He's worked extremely hard this offseason to prove to the new regime that he's not the QB that he played like in '07. McCown comes down to Miami with 31 career starts with 3 different teams and realizes that this may very well be his last chance to prove he's a starting QB at this level. And Henne comes to Miami as a 4 year starter out of Michigan. While it may be unlikely he can win the starting job, a big-time camp/preseason performance will go a long way towards Chad seeing the field at some point in '08.
Charlie Anderson / Quentin Moses
With Jason Taylor's future in Miami in question at this point, these two players will have the opportunity to take JT's spot in the starting lineup. Anderson comes to the Dolphins this year after spending 4 years in Houston. In those 4 seasons, Anderson tallied just 78 tackles and 3 sacks. But that was in limited playing time. To close out the '07 season, Anderson started the final 5 games. In those games, he totaled 25 tackles, 2 sacks, and a pass defensed. Being recognized by this new regime in Miami has to be a confidence boost for Charlie and now he has the chance to go out and win the starting OLB job opposite Joey Porter (should JT not be in camp).
Moses was a 3rd round pick in the '07 draft by the Raiders. However, Oakland cut him on September 2. On that day, the Cardinals decided to claim him off waivers and give him a shot. But he never saw the field in Arizona and was released in mid-October. A week later, Randy Mueller decided to sign him. And he actually looked like he belonged when he got on the field in Miami, picking up 1.5 sacks in limited action. Perhaps playing from an "up" position will help him utilize those pass-rushing skills he flashed in college. A big camp from Moses could get him on the field often, especially in pass-rushing situations (should Taylor move on to a new destination).
Paul Soliai
Soliai is in the dubious position of needing a great camp to see some playing time but facing the reality of a poor camp resulting in his release. He was a 4th round pick in '07 and was thought to be the guy who would eventually supplant Keith Traylor at the nose tackle position. For a big 6'4, 350 pound player, he's actually relatively athletic. And if he can just get back to playing the way he did in college at Utah and have a big-time camp, he could easily be the player who spells Jason Ferguson at nose tackle. But if he falters, he could easily be released, making Randy Starks and undrafted free agent Anthony Toribio in position to spell Ferguson at the nose.
Andre Goodman
Goodman came over from the Lions back in 2006 and played surprisingly well, passing Travis Daniels on the depth chart and earning the starting spot opposite Will Allen. However, injuries have since limited Goodman on the field. Entering 2008, it was thought that he would likely be the team's nickelback behind starters Allen and Michael Lehan. But Lehan is now down with an injury and, though he might be ready by camp, likely won't be 100% right away. That means that Goodman will have some opportunities to impress the new coaching staff and win the starting job over Lehan. If Andre has a solid camp/preseason, then he'll be our week one starting corner, pairing up with Will Allen.
Jason Allen
Allen has been a total bust so far through the first 2 years of his NFL career. But Allen is in the rare position where he'll get a fresh start despite his struggles as a first round pick. With a new regime in town and a new, more player-friendly defense being installed, Allen will likely enter training camp as the favorite to start at safety opposite of Yeremiah Bell. Of course, a potentially healthy Renaldo Hill will have something to say about that. But Allen, thanks to his physical talents and "upside," will have every opportunity to start right from the get-go. A solid training camp from Jason could very well mean he'll get one final chance to prove he can indeed play well at this level.
So those are the players I personally feel have the most to gain once camp opens up in late July. Let me know what you think. Do you agree? Do you disagree with any? Would you include anyone else rather than one of the players on this list?
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Don't forget about Boomer
The perrenial training camp warrior. I watched his tough battle in KC training camp on HBO’s “Hard Knocks” series. Personally I thought his haircut was ridiculous and he seemed like kind of a nut job, but hey that could make a good fullback! He’s the kind of guy that probably won’t tell the coaches if he has a concussion.
by inisfree on
Jun 18, 2008 1:17 AM EDT
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I would argue
Hagan could have the most to gain… literally b/c he’s in a contract year. If he continues to be the best WR in camp, and somehow moves to #1 on he depth chart out there, he’ll have a chance to pull down 70-90 catches and really cash in.
by YatilGinnJr on
Jun 18, 2008 1:34 AM EDT
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I was gonna say Hagan
and you beat me to it, but I agree that he can play his way not only into a decent starter, but into some decent money as well. Staying with the receivers, I think Bess also has alot to gain in camp because he has the ability to play his way into the 3rd or 4th WR spot, but he has to impress the coaching staff, because UDFA’s arent just handed roster spots.
And what about Channing Crowder? I would say he really needs to step up in camp or he could be on the outside looking in at the ILB spots. Torbor and Ayodele will probably battle for one spot, but if Crowder stinks up the joint, they could both be starters…
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by Little Nicky 21 on
Jun 18, 2008 1:49 AM EDT
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jason Allen
I can’t argue the point that Jason Allen had a tough rookie year in miami but he really came on the second hailf of last year. In my opinion the safety positions in 2008 will be be occupied by Jason Allen and Y. Bell. I think if Bell can stay healthy and Allen continues to improve the secondery will be vastily improved this season.
by cns9416 on
Jun 18, 2008 7:34 AM EDT
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I also think Jason Allen will blossom this year
I think that he may not be able to pick things up too quickly and the defensive schemes we have had since the Saban years has been too complicated for him. Once a guy has been in the league for a while, understanding these schemes comes easier, but it looks like it was just too much for him as a rook. He definitely has the athletic ability to be VERY good. Let’s see what he can do when he is turned loose to play fast.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on
Jun 18, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
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Moses
Why did he get cut? Was there any other reason besides the just not being ready for the league?
If he had come out his junior year, he is a top ten pick. Going into his senior year, he was rated higher thant Gaines Adams.
by JGray on
Jun 18, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
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I think I read somewhere that his....
...”maturity level” was an issue.
But he has talent. That’s the important thing here.
by Matty I on
Jun 18, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
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I think the preseason games
will be the decider and a chance for these guys to show how they do in game situations.
by Natalya on
Jun 18, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
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The QB battle remains the most interesting to me...
as it will clearly have a huge impact on our team’s fortunes.
I know Matty has or had expectations of Beck winning this by August or thereabouts, but I tend to think that’s unlikely.
If anything, I’d say McCown has the advantage – at least initially. He has a) way more experience than Beck and b) comparable physical tools. Beck’s time last year learning the 07 offense, won’t be of much use given that we have a whole new offensive scheme – so McCown isn’t at any disadvantage.
What, for me, will decide the QB contest is two-fold….
1 – who makes better decisions? You can have all the tools in the world, quick feet, a rocket arm, but if you make bad decisions then you will fail miserably in the NFL as a QB.
2 – who handles pressure better? It is the difference between hitting a RB for a quick gain against the blitz on 3rd and 3 as opposed to throwing the ball up for grabs to avoid a sack and turning it over on an INT.
I think the QB contest will be very much open well into the preseason with maybe, it going to the very last preseason gain.
by Natalya on
Jun 18, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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Well...
...based on your criteria and based on what I’ve “heard” from practice, you just described Beck much more so than the other 2.
by Matty I on
Jun 18, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
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your bais is showing a bit :)
From what I have read, it seems that McCown and Beck are pretty close on all fronts so far. And either way, what we have seen so far will probably not carry much weight when camp actually opens.
I happen to be with you on Beck, btw. I just don’t think Beck has any particular advantage at this point, and agree with Nat that McCown’s experience is definitely an advantage in his favor.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on
Jun 18, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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I think Beck may have one advantage
but I don’t think it has to do with his skills. It’s the fact that he’s still pretty much an unknown. With McCown, you pretty much know what your getting, but with Beck, nobody really knows what he can do with some help around him. Throw last year out the window, EVERYBODY looked bad, and Beck still remains a mystery as a starting QB. I think that one point will work in his favor because as long as he shows some skill and leadership in camp and pre-season, he’ll get his chance to start and prove whether or not he can be a quality starter.
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by Little Nicky 21 on
Jun 19, 2008 1:28 AM EDT
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Jason Allen
Of course, a potentially healthy Renaldo Hill will have something to say about that.
Yeah, he’ll say something like, “Sorry coach, I didn’t know I was supposed be able to tackle.”
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by The Phinisher on
Jun 18, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
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but at least he doesn't get burnt in coverage...
....as much as Jason Allen.
by Matty I on
Jun 18, 2008 2:18 PM EDT
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No, I know
I just think Hill is the pits too.
I liked what I saw out of Jason Allen last year. He should have a shot at making a difference in a simplified system.
Imagine if his coverage skills improve… He can thump and so can YB. That would be a very hard hitting safety tandem.
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by The Phinisher on
Jun 18, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
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Well the thing with Allen...
...is that he does have all the physical tools you want in a safety. His size, speed, and strength are all well above average. He has the makings of a very good safety.
But he has got to stop getting beat in coverage. If th mental side of the game can become easier for Allen, then we could have two very goos safeties. But he needs to prove that he has what it takes – mentally speaking. And if he struggles this year, then I’m ready to dump him and move on because 3 years should be enough to show what you can or can’t do.
by Matty I on
Jun 18, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
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This year
He will have better coaches and a simpler system, so lets remain positive.
However, it does get sickening watching the Chad Johnson highlight on sports shows where Allen took a horrible angle to the ball and prematurely dove, which allowed Chad to walk almost half the field to the endzone.
by mikey2380 on
Jun 18, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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Hey Matty,
I just think its hilarious that you’ve written Allen off as a complete bust, I understand though. You’ll come around on him I promise you. I like the fact that finally, we have a group of hungry guys on the roster along with the young players, who better be hungry!
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
by AussieKen on
Jun 18, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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Has Allen shown anything to make you think he...
...was worth the 16th overall pick?
He showed some flashes last year. But even then, he was out of position too many times.
All I said was that he’s been a total bust “so far.” This is his year to prove himself. Otherwise, it’s goodbye.
by Matty I on
Jun 18, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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Didn’t he hold out is rookie year? Also they had him at corner and moved him around, and I don’t know what was going on with Cam Cam. I think when he got his opportunity last year he did show that he wasn’t a bust and if he can make it with Parcells, he’ll make it in the league anywhere. But you’re right he isn’t “proven” yet.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
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by AussieKen on
Jun 18, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
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He missed like the first two weeks of camp...
...in his rookie year.
by Matty I on
Jun 18, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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blame Huizenga for that one
He lowballed Jason Allen just like Ronnie was lowballed.
J. Allen has shown improvement over the past year but he has yet to show he is something special.
by Patssuck456 on
Jun 20, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
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Speaking of guys on the roster
anybody got any credable inside info on the LeCharles Bentley situation? Are we making any kind of legitimate effort to get this guy?
mophins
by mophins on
Jun 18, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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Speaking of the QBs.
The position is Beck’s to lose. And if it is tied it will go to him. Although the normal quote is tie goes to the regime’s guy, I am not quite sure we can call either Henne or McCown, this regimes stud.
Although this will be quite a fascinating race, it will be Beck starting or he won’t even be around come game 1.
by JGray on
Jun 18, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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if we trade Beck
away and he becomes a stud for another team in a year or so, I would never forgive this franchise.
by dlux2561 on
Jun 18, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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Ricky Williams
has the most to gain. He can prove he is still a beast of a running back and help repair his reputation. If Ricky busts out a 1000 yard season, I would love for him to come back next year. At least this year it looks like he has a line to block for him.
by gophish on
Jun 18, 2008 7:17 PM EDT
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This post is awesome
It somewhat soothes the football cravings, but I’m still going crazy! I can’t wait until practices open!
by mikey2380 on
Jun 18, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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I hear you
Training camp can’t get here quick enough.
by Matty I on
Jun 18, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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