Would you do this trade?
by DolphDallas
on May 7, 2008 6:21 PM EDT
Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is looking for an elite receiver to team with Terrell Owens.
Would you trade Ted Ginn Jr., Jason Taylor, and Andre Goodman
to the Cowboys for
Terry Glenn, Isaiah Stanback (6-2 208 WR), Miles Austin (6-3 216 WR), Marc Colombo (6-8 325 RT), Greg Ellis (OLB), and Anthony Henry (CB 6-1 208)???
I believe that there is a considerable cap hit for trading Teddy Ginn, but there is some room under the cap for Miami if this is worth it.
At first, I think most would say,
"why trade away a young ultra fast elite receiver for old veterans from the Cowboys?",
but take a closer look and keep this in mind
RUN OFFENSE - RUN DEFENSE
The trade would give the Dolphins this OL:
LT Long, LG Smiley, C Satele, RG Carey (moved inside to guard), RT Colombo
Shawn Murphy has potential, but may need time to develop. This upgraded line on paper is already playoff caliber. Carey could develop into a Leonard Davis type mauler on the inside. Sparano is very familiar with this concept.
Greg Ellis is not the dynamic pass rusher that Taylor is, but he is a better run defender and a better fit than JT for the Parcells/Pasqualoni Hold Your Ground Read-React 3-4 defense.
Anthony Henry and Will Allen would give the team a tandem of solid run defending corners and buy time to develop any drafted or developmental CB's.
Terry Glenn is coming off a serious injury and has an unknown future, but he is a veteran receiver that Parcells trusts (and likes alot). He alone is not worth a Ted Ginn trade, but Stanback is an Ireland 4th round project (QB turned WR) who is big, fast, elusive, and flashes a good set of hands. He is also a kick returner with size, which Parcells prefers. Miles Austin would just be a special teams throw-in who has size and speed (along with unproven hands) and no character concerns like Kircus.
In Summary, lose a dynamic elite (but skinny) WR/PR and an underweight pass rusher extraordinaire and a backup veteran corner and gain a playoff caliber O-Line, a very physical run stuffing tandem of corners, and BIGGER Wide Receivers (who are not as fast as Ginn, but maybe more elusive/polished). I think Jerry Jones is desperate enough to make this trade to get a player like Ginn. They question is, would we be giving up too much?
Would you do this deal? Would Parcells?
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me got a question....
are you smoking the ganja?
by finsxfactor on
May 7, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
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how long...
did you sit around and actually pick these players out to trade and what in the world brought this trade up.
by jwillis9 on
May 7, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
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Hey...
Its the off season, and maybe his madden was broken. He obviously put quite a bit of time into thinking this trade out but in all honesty it probably will not happen. It would be a creative way to get rid of jason taylor, but were not getting nearly enough in return, and getting rid of our 1st round draft pick would be another bad idea. Ginn is not a premier receiver but he is not worth giving up on yet.
by KCarr9 on
May 7, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
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Don't blame the ganja....
Ginn is “a young ultra fast elite receiver”? That’s not the ganj, that’s got to be some kind of hallucinoginn. Get it..hallucinoGINN….
Oh man that’s lame. I’m gone.
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by Daren on
May 7, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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wow
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by Little Nicky 21 on
May 7, 2008 10:42 PM EDT
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ummm.... no.
if jerry jones really wants to give up too much—he’ll go get chad johnson.
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by NumberSeven on
May 7, 2008 10:51 PM EDT
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Points for effort,
As a dolphins fan from the Dallas area, the cowboys and the dolphins are the two teams I follow the closest. I too see Jason Taylor to the Cowboys being a tremendous fit, given how close the Cowboys are, and how absurd Demarcus Ware and JT would be, plus JJ’s love for overkill.
But lets be serious here. Multi-player trades in the NFL are generally a rarity. Further, multi-player trades involving numerous starters are even more rare. The Dolphins should want no part of Terry Glenn, just as the Cowboys are unlikely to part with Columbo for anything Jeff Ireland will consider fair.
Anthony Henry is really an above average cover safety at this point, not a corner, and under Parcells Greg Ellis was always on the ragged edge of being cut/retiring/attacking Parcells with a meathook.
If the dolphins unload Taylor to the cowboys, which I still consider them one of the better fits, it will be for picks over a two year period and MAYBE one veteran who could crack the current dolphins roster, but currently doesn’t start on the cowboys (Paging Bobby Carpenter)
My 2 cents.
by learned hand on
May 7, 2008 10:58 PM EDT
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One problem with a Jason Taylor Trade to Cowboys for picks...
Dallas is up against the salary cap, they would need to clear cap space. That’s why i think they would
need to exchange vets like Marc Colombo (5 million per year plus Greg Ellis’ 4.5 million per year covers Jason Taylor’s 7 million plus Andre Goodman’s 2.5 million). The Cowboys don’t plan to resign Colombo since they have drafted 3 offensive tackles in the past two years. I see them simply replacing Colombo with Pat McQuistan.
It’s pretty clear that the board thinks that this isn’t happening. I would tend to agree, but it was fun to dream it up! (By the way, I don’t have an X-Box. That explains a lot.)
I wonder when was the last big multi-player blockbuster trade between teams that basically exchanged a significant amount of front office personnel and coaches? Miami and Dallas have already traded/exchanged Zach Thomas, Akin Ayodele, Jason Ferguson, and Anthony Fasano.
by DolphDallas on
May 8, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
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Makes more sense but
1) how much of those salaries are base comp, and how much would be due in accelerated signing bonus money? I haven’t really had the inclination to look up the contract terms of those players, such as their available, but it something to keep in mind.
2) I think you’re also presupposing that a 1-15 team, and an old one at that, is just a few veteran players away from contending in the playoffs. Parcells isn’t a band-aid kind of guy. There’s going to be a lot of turnover, and generally, the players he brings in will be pretty young, cheap guys he can develop. I’d be highly surprised if he took on a substantial number of established veterans in trade.
3) Any deal with JT is probably going to involve him restructuring his current contract, maybe just to facilitate a trade, maybe to get him something more like “jared allen” money.
by learned hand on
May 8, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
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that aint ganja
its peruvian flake…LOL
thats the only crap to get your ming racing like that
What happend to the Killer BEEs
by FinfanT on
May 7, 2008 11:44 PM EDT
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Let's say this much...
DolphDallas sure put a lot of time & effort it seems into this whole hypothetical trade.
And for those that are critical of the poster -if your x-box broken and you ended up at Ricky Williams house, then what else would you do? :)Chances of trade actually happening: Slim to nil. Like jayfiss said, if Jones wants it that bad, he’ll get Boldin or Johnson.
by Natalya on
May 8, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
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"Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is looking for an elite receiver...
...to team with Terrell Owens.”
And Ted Ginn Jr. was the best you could come up with? Are you Cam Cameron or Randy Meuller?
by dab415217 on
May 9, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
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HaHa Pretty Funny Actually...
Nobody wants to give up an elite receiver unless there is a considerable amount of baggage (that’s how they got TO in the first place). They also usually come with a big cap hit. Ted Ginn would be young, affordable, and fast enough to spread out the defense so that Jason Witten and Patrick Crayton could get open underneath. Next year they could let Owens go and pursue Roy Williams and have a Ted Ginn Roy Williams tandem. That would not be bad. Of course all fictional.
by DolphDallas on
May 9, 2008 10:09 PM EDT
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