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A Closer Look at Chad Henne

This might be the most talked-about selection of Miami's entire draft, so let's dig a little deeper and talk about the kind of player Chad Henne is.

First, here's what I know of Chad Henne.  I know that he's a tough SOB, playing through injuries (like separated shoulders) quite frequently.  I know that Henne does have a cannon for an arm.  Seriously, some of his "laser-like" throws are impressive to watch, though his arm isn't quite as strong compared to John Beck's (based on the radar gun test at the Combine).  So he certainly has the arm strength to make every single throw and his deep ball is sometimes considered a thing of beauty.

I also know that he's a big, strong guy.  He won't need to add weight or anything to help his body hold up to the beating that the NFL could give a young quarterback.  And I also know that Henne is a workaholic much like John Beck is.  So one thing you are not going to have to worry about from our QBs is their work ethic and dedication.

As far as negatives, I know that he isn't very mobile and his accuracy can get away from him at times.  He also tends to hold the ball too long, taking a sack when the ball should already be out of his hands.

But all that is just scratching the surface of Chad Henne.  Let's go a little deeper.

First off, some say that the two most important predictors of NFL success for a QB are career college starts and completion percentage.  And when you put that to the test , you'll notice that the college QB with 40+ starts and a completion percentage in the 59% to 69% do tend to fair much better than those QBs who have just 20-30 starts.  Where does Henne fall in this?  He started 47 games at Michigan and had a career completion percentage of 59,7%.  And for his closest comparison in terms of those two numbers along, it would be Carson Palmer.  Palmer came out of USC with 45 career starts and a 59% completion percentage.  I'm not saying Henne is as good as Palmer, I'm just making an observation.

One of the major criticisms you hear about Chad Henne is how he "struggles" in big games.  People always point to his 1-7 combined record in bowl games and against Ohio State.  However, it's a good sign that his last game was a victory over Florida in that Capital One Bowl.  But I did want to just show you his numbers in these 8 games so you can see how the loss can't be blamed on just Henne:

Game Com Att Yds % TD Int Yds/Att Sacks
@ Ohio St. 2004 27 54 328 50% 2 2 6.07 1
Rose Bowl vs Texas 04/05 18 34 227 52.9% 4 0 6.68 1
vs Ohio St. 2005 25 36 223 69.4% 1 0 6.19 1
Alamo Bowl vs Nebraska 05/06 21 43 270 48.8% 3 1 6.28 4
@ Ohio St. 2006 21 35 267 60% 2 0 7.63 4
Rose Bowl vs USC 06/07 26 41 309 63.4% 2 1 7.54 6
vs Ohio St 2007 11 34 68 32.4% 0 0 2.00 3
Capital One Bowl vs Florida 07/08 25 39 373 64.1% 3 2 9.56 3

 

 

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I do want to note that Chad played that final Ohio State game with a bum shoulder.  Also notice how Chad was sacked 23 times in 8 games.  Could that have had anything to do with the losses? 

If you average out those stats, Henne's average performance in those 8 "big games" was: 22/40 (55%), 258 yards, 2.12 TDs, and 0.75 Ints.  That's not too bad at all, considering that takes into account his terrible game against Ohio State this past year when he was playing hurt.  So I think to say he is a bad player in "big games" is not exactly a fair statement.

Next, since I'm not as familiar with Henne as Michigan fans are, I wanted to highlight some parts of the very best Chad Henne scouting report you will ever find.  I linked to it a few days back.  It was written by Dave of Maize N Brew , SB Nation's Michigan blog.  I'll now go through and just highlight some of the key points Dave touches on.  I do highly recommend that you do go check out the full article.

Dave's opening to the scouting report is more or less exactly what Dolphin fans want to hear:

Henne completed his Michigan career as the statistical leader in just about every offensive category a quarterback has any business rating in. Completions, Attempts, Yards, TDs, etc... He possesses an arm that seems like it was touched by Zeus himself and is tougher than a sack of bricks, but sometimes seems like he's just about as mobile. Henne is not a mobile quarterback. He will never be a mobile quarterback.

What he is, is the best drop back passer in college football. He can make every throw. He reads defenses. He knows when to check from a run to a pass. And he knows how to manage a game. Any team that drafts Chad will get a game ready quarterback with a big arm and boatloads of experience and talent.

Moving along, Dave does rave about Henne's arm:

Henne throws the best deep ball I've ever seen. Whether he's lofting it on the solar winds, waiting for it to glide back down to earth, or launching a 40 yard PRG that has absolutely no arc, Henne can get the ball downfield in ways I haven't seen out of any other college quarterback. Give him a deep threat. Randy Moss would love this guy.

And it's not just deep stuff. Henne throws the ball well all over the field and is especially adept working the sidelines. He has a knack for putting that 20 yard pass right on the line where only his receiver can catch it. Frankly, he throws all the distances relatively well, though his short and long passes are superior to his intermediate routes.

However, Dave does talk about Henne's inconsistent accuracy, which apparently is only an intermediate problem:

One of Henne's strangest weaknesses was his inability to consistently deliver a catchable mid range pass 12-20 yards out. Anything over 20, generally perfect. Anything under 12, generally perfect. 15 yards? 50% at best. And by 50% I mean, half the time it wasn't anywhere near its intended target, and the remaining 50% was broken down into his normal distribution of passing. It generally wasn't pretty. I'm willing to give him a little leeway because Manningham absolutely refused catching anything in traffic and Michigan's tight ends were either suspended or the equivalent of tackling dummies in the flats, but Michigan lived and died on the short and long passes and the mid range stuff was iffy.

Dave closes his report by pointing out all the negatives that critics get on Henne about.  But he writes this:

Chad still a four year starter at Michigan. He owns or shares almost every major quarterback record at Michigan. His teammates love him. He never, never got into trouble. Lloyd Carr, who coached NFL golden boy Tom Brady, raves about Henne in a way he never raved about Brady. He's incredibly tough and controls his team in an even tempered manner similar to Eli Manning, just without the "I'm a total doofus" look on his face. He the type of quarterback who can take over a game when he's allowed to by his coordinator.

That sounds good to me.

One last thing I want to add.  Many of you know that I am a big John Beck supporter.  And that hasn't changed.  However, that doesn't mean that I'm hoping Chad Henne fails.  The bottom line is that I want the Miami Dolphins to win.  I don't care if the QB leading us to the wins is John Beck, Chad Henne, Josh McCown, or anyone else.  So just because I am a Beck supporter, don't think that means I'm against Henne.  I'm not. 

With that said, I do want to point out one thing in response to the idea that Beck's days are numbered.  Back in 1983, Bill Parcells inherited a QB named Phil Simms.  Parcells decided to bench Simms that year, leading many to think Phil's days in NY were over.  Of course, the following year, Phil throws for over 4,000 yards and in 1986, leads Parcells' Giants to a Super Bowl victory.  My point?  Don't think that John Beck's days in Miami are over already.  This regime isn't that stubborn nor that stupid.  If Beck goes out there and simply outplays the competition (like I think he will), then he will be the opening day starter.  And if he plays well (and "well" is a relative term), he'll remain the starter.  That's the bottom line.  The best players will play, and that includes the QB spot.

Also, John Clayton seems to be thinking along the same lines as me, writing:

The bonus was getting Michigan's Henne with the 57th pick. The fact that Miami didn't take Henne at the top of the second round was a vote of confidence for John Beck.

So welcome to Miami, Chad Henne.  Despite what some think, I am actually happy you're here.  Now go battle for that starting job and may the best QB win!!

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Miami’s days of picking-up a QB during the off-season might finally be over if the duo of Beck and Henne work well together. They are both workaholics, they both are dedicated to helping Miami win, and they both have good potential. Next year, I hope there is no pick-up-a-QB talk during the off-season. Beck and Henne look to be this team’s future.

by NumberOneFan on Apr 29, 2008 12:25 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

explain this to me

~Beck and Henne look to be this team’s future.~

are they going to alternate series?

Henne is Miami’s future because BP says so….

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 12:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

because BP says so….

I love your way of thinking. So true.

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by Neo on Apr 29, 2008 12:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The way it will be

I recall the days of Bob Griese and Earl Morrall, followed by Bob Griese and Don Strock and then David Woodley and Don Strock and then Dan Marino and Don Strock and later Dan Marino and Damon Huard… These QB duos did not change every year like they have for the past seven or eight years. IMO, the duo of John Beck and Chad Henne are here…

Drafting Chad Henne is reminding me of the battle in San Diego a few years ago after the team acquired Philip Rivers. Suddenly, Drew Brees began performing like a pro-bowl QB. The potential was always there. But it took bringing in rookie competition at the QB spot to bring out the pro-bowl qualities in Drew Brees. I believe bringing in Chad Henne may help John Beck play at a higher level.

IMO John Beck will start the 2008 campaign with Chad Henne as a backup QB. Despite my belief the Dolphins’s coaching staff will give John Beck a short leash, I believe John Beck will live-up to his potential that led him to being drafted. That will allow Chad Henne time to be groomed and readied by the Dolphins coaching staff for the NFL QB role.

by NumberOneFan on Apr 29, 2008 9:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

look as I've stated

elsewhere… Breese had 3 years playing experience over Rivers, who skipped camp and essentially gave Breese a 4th year…

Beck and Henne essentially have the same playing experience, since Beck ‘the lime’ (aka the lesser Lemon) lost an entire season last year due to poor coaching/planning…

So why bother wasting the limited resource of playing time on Beck, when the triad clearly sees Henne as the future. It’s time to start focusing on the future during a rebuilding year.

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll just say this

*Beck goes out there and simply outplays the competition (like I think he will), *

The man couldn’t outplay Cleo Lemon.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want the man to fail. I just want one of our QBs to succeed. Step up and be the man.

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by Neo on Apr 29, 2008 12:31 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

have to agree

Henne is the QB of the future. It’s time to develop him…. lets hope Matty’s stats from above foretell a good future
and we can all stop this yearly nonsense of who the qb to succeed marino will be…

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 12:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

Henne is the furture. Matty I did a very good article, but I have to disagree with John Clayton (who I think does a great job, mind you.) They didn’t draft him with thier 1st pick in roudnd 2 and thats a vote of confidence for Beck? Are you kiddin me, he is kinda reaching there. The fact of the matter is Parcells drafted a QB in the 2nd round. Who cares if it was with our 1st or 2nd pick? I think it was a shrewd move by Parcells to pass on him with our 1st pick and take a chance on him being there with our 2nd. Think about it. By that time 2 of the teams that wanted to address their QB situation (Atlanta & Baltimore) had already drafted a QB. GB traded up to draft a QB, which was kinda suprising (I guess) . But there was no other team really looking for a QB that high in the draft after those teams. So why reach and take him, when there was a good chance he would be there when we pick again. D@mn smart move by Parcells.

Bottom line. The Dolphins told Henne before the draft if he was there in the 2nd round they were gonna take him and they did. If I was Beck I wouldn’t have butterflies in my stomach bout my relationship with Bill after that.

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by Neo on Apr 29, 2008 12:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except...

Not sure – is anybody ever sure – about what the JETS were going to do when they traded back up into the 1st round though. That could have been the other team who would have grabbed a QB. (I guess they feel that they needed a TE/WR more than a QB though)

I think it would have been stupid if they didn’t grab Henne with their 2nd rounder. Even if they like Beck and think he is their QB this season, the only thing consistent about McCown is his inconsistency. I think folks are reading way too much into this “message to Beck” or “vote of confidence”, whatever. Kiper started all of this during the week, like he has a flipping clue what the Trio is thinking about when they pulled the trigger on Henne. He is a good QB, a 4-year starter at a major team in a major conference, he put up good numbers, etc. You take the kid and hope he pushes Beck to make him better or he beats him out. Worse case scenario is you have another young, experienced QB on your roster.

Take him with your #1 pick, or jump back into the first round to pick him up… Then, I think you were clearly looking for your future QB.

Definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

by azphinner on Apr 29, 2008 12:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neo....W NY...

I think the three of us are on the same page here.

The idea that taking Henne is somehow a vote of confidence for Beck strikes me as, well, rather preposterous! Remember before the draft some folks here (re: the diehard Beck supporters) were saying the FIns wouldn’t draft a QB or if they did that it would be late in the draft. This they said would show proof that BP believe in Beck. Well here we are, Henne gets taken in the middle of the second round and somehow this same contingent of fans says, oh it is a vote of confidence for Beck, just competition…..

This team has tons of needs, a swiss cheese secondary among them. You don’t ignore those needs to draft a high round pick just to be a clipboard holder and ‘compete’.

The Henne pick gives John Beck notice, just like Roth & Holliday got it from our DE selections, that he either performs or he’s out.

Given that this is a whole new offense, I don’t really see Beck having any advantage in the QB competition – which I think is wide open.

If Beck does happen to win the QB starting job I don’t think he’ll get the luxury of making a lot of mistakes and just have the coaching staff chalk it up to ‘he’s just a young player, etc’ and letting him off.

Something tells me we won’t have a 16-game starter, not because of injury, but because of performance.

by Natalya on Apr 29, 2008 10:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For Henne to win

the starting spot come September, he will have to stand out well above Beck in camp and during the pre-season. I can’t see him getting the spot if he is performing at the same level as Beck. It is the NFL, decisions are made based on getting desired results, not wether someone was hired by a prior coach or brought in by a new regime.
I am one of those Beck supporters. My intuition tells me his off season work ethic (implemented prior to the draft) has shown his coaches how determined he is. For us not to draft a decent QB would have been pretty stupid. Its insurance, but also brings in quality at the same time. I agree with your comment that mistakes will not be tolerated and allowed because he is a young player. I do, however believe mistakes that do not lead to losses will be considered “teaching opportunities.”
I like the Henne pick. If Beck lights it up and proves to be the man, we have trade leverage. If Beck clunks it, then we move to the Henne chapter. Either way, I like our QB situation.
The interesting thing to me is the pre-draft “experts” were all saying this was not a good year for QB’s. I want to watch myself and not get caught up in the frenzy of building expectation and excitement. I do this every year and get let down.
Let em duke it out and may the best QB be our starter.
Also, early momentum will be critical if we are going to have a successful season. Beck, and the other “hold overs” are probably chomping at the bit to say “We told you so.” My bet is the 1-15 players have a bond to make a point ,and this will favor Beck’s level of play.

by Thruthickandt on Apr 29, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even assuming you guys are right...

about BP’s mindset (and remember, this isn’t BP’s decision to make, it’s Sparano’s), I think Beck is the starter this year. If Henne is really the Trifecta’s guy, they’re not going to want to risk getting him killed behind a revamped, very green offensive line. As talented as the individual players are, an O-line still takes time to gel.

I don’t think Henne plays much, if at all, this year.

by urbino on Apr 29, 2008 5:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HA!!! LOL!!!

and remember, this isn’t BP’s decision to make, it’s Sparano’s),

sheeze, I hope this is a joke, cause it’s the best laugh i’ve had in a week… :~)

but to the point of your post

they’re not going to want to risk getting him killed behind a revamped, very green offensive line

yup and that is why they brough McCown in…

Look, we all agree Henne is considered the future QB of the team, right or wrong, by the triad… so what does making him the scout team QB accomplish… no time with the 1st stringers, little opportunity to get into games and get experience, and no time with the dolphins play book… This is the same mistake Cam made with The Lime (beck – or the lesser lemon) last season… he wasted the back up position on the lemon… So it’s best that Henne either starts ala Big Ben or palmer or he takes the back up roll for 3 or 4 games while the line solidifies vince young…

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey i was one of those

~ Remember before the draft some folks here (re: the diehard Beck supporters) were saying the FIns wouldn’t draft a QB or if they did that it would be late in the draft ~

yup that was me… Beck supporter – I strongly felt the team, which had/has plenty of needs, didn’t need to draft a QB early since they had ‘the Lime’, and they would be best served addressing those needs with their early picks and draft a project late (Johnson/dixon) in case the Lime fails…

Well, I’m not running the draft/team… the triad obviously decided that they didn’t have the luxury of waiting to see if the Lime blossomed into something and they needed to get the QB of the future in place. Well that was their choice, right or wrong, but now is the time to stop wasting time and focus on developing the QB of the future. wasting time on Beck the lime is the effectual same as playing the Lemon last season. So why bother pretending that he’ll get a shot, ship him off to someplace where he has a fair opportunity.

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting...

We had the opportunity for Ryan at #1…and released.

Then we had Henning, Brohm…etc. at # 32…and released.

Maybe this is just the year to let these guys battle it out for ‘starter’.

by OntheGo on Apr 29, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well some of this is true

but – they didn’t like ryan and needed JLo
then they have a mid 1st rounder and JT’s replacement fall into their lap at #32 with 3 qb’s still on the board and the teams looking for a QB either grabbing one or passing so far(jets at ?30?)... I think they played the odds and gambled….

Once Brohm came off the board they didn’t wait for #63 – they would have taken henne at 32 if the qb draft had played out differently.

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 12:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So the part that isn't true?...

is the ‘Maybe this is just the year to let these guys battle it out for starter’?

by OntheGo on Apr 29, 2008 12:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup

but i’d rather focus on what you did get right. ;~)

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 1:36 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Correction: They didn't like Ryan at #1.

There’s a big difference between not likeing a guy and not liking him at a certain spot in the draft.

I agree though, that they gambled and won. I was of the belief that if you don’t pick the best QB in the draft when he is there for you, then don’t settle for a lesser (according to most people) one in round 2 or 3. However, the value of Henne at #57 was just to great to let him go.

I think you are right on with Brohm. Once he got picked they knew that Henne was going to be picked soon too.

Its odd to me that Henne and Brohm lasted so long. This draft, more than any other I’ve seen in recent memory, teams seemed to be drafting more for needs than value. With the tenure of Head Coaches being so short without immediate success, GM’s and HC’s don’t have the time to develop QB’s like they did in the “old” days.

by dab415217 on Apr 29, 2008 8:24 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Henne is an insurance policy

The job is Beck’s to lose. Same thing in college sports – athletes make their greatest jump between their first and second years. Beck was completely thrown to the wolves last year by CC and I think he had some trouble adjusting to the speed of the game. (Even Sparano said they need to slow the game down for him after watching tape.) Then after a few games, he got fumble-itis or the O-Line forgot how to block, etc. (Not sure what happened there) Look at his college career, he wasn’t lighting up the world after his first year…

He actually looked pretty good against the Bengals at the end of the year. Henne is not ready to step in and take over this team folks – watch some tape on him, he has a major problem of staring down his receivers that will cause him to get eaten up in the NFL. However, this is why they have QB coaches…

Worst move this franchise would have made would have been selecting Ryan at #1. They absolutely made the right pick with Long.

Definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

by azphinner on Apr 29, 2008 12:48 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It sounds very familiar to me...

...eerily similar to the enthusiastic reports out of BYU after we drafted Beck last year. Lots of “way ‘til you see this guy play, you’re gonna love him” type stuff. To my thinking, this is just smart thinking. Some of the best scouts over the years (Ron Wolf, Scott Pioli) agree that you take a QB each year. In our case, I don’t think you can have enough talent and competition at the position. Forget about votes of confidence and who is a BP guy and who isn’t. Simply put, the best guy should be playing…and that’s the guy who gives us the best chance at winning.

And next year, draft another QB (although I’m hopeful we won’t need to do it in the 2nd round).

Go Dolphins.

by lancelotlink on Apr 29, 2008 12:53 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I typed...

...”to my thinking, this is just smart thinking”. I need a proof-reader when I’m up this late.

Goodnight Chad. Goodnight John.

Goodnight Matty I.

Go Dolphins.

by lancelotlink on Apr 29, 2008 12:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly!

Definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

by azphinner on Apr 29, 2008 1:00 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I need a proof-reader when I’m up

at ANY time.-)

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by Neo on Apr 29, 2008 12:58 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vote of Confidence by not taking Henne until #57?

Hmm, correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t a real vote of confidence be not taking a QB at all? And then working it back from there, the higher you take a QB the less the vote of confidence.

Ok, so here’s a question for you: Who here thought the drafting of Kevin Kolb last year by the Eagles was not a vote of confidence for McNabb? Lots of people thought that wasn’t a vote of confidence, as slight as it may be, to McNabb and he’s no John Beck.

by dab415217 on Apr 29, 2008 8:15 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that being said...

...my stance is that this job is Beck’s to lose.

by dab415217 on Apr 29, 2008 8:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dab the thing with McNabb

is that nobody questioned his ability but rather his durability. He’s missed an inordinate amount of games in the last several years and he is over 30 now. Manning (Peyton) & Brady are both over 30 but both have been very very durable, so those franchises didn’t need to be concerned about whether those two would play a full season.

And as for McNabb, once his contract is up, after this year I believe, you have to think he’s out in Philly with Kolb taking over.

by Natalya on Apr 29, 2008 11:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Look, even Favre, a HoFer can’t escape this kind of talk. The pick of Aaron Rodgers created the same kind of talk in GB.

by dab415217 on Apr 29, 2008 11:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The pick for Henne was value

The new staff for the dolphins weren’t down on the CBs and said they saw potential on film so it’s not a huge suprise they didn’t draft CB. Henne was a great pickup at 57 because all teams should have at least 3 QBs at a time (especially in camp). The running backs were (while not an obvious need) still a need because with big O-line draft you want the bruiser backs that’ll run between the tackles and hit people. With the injury history to Brown some insurance was needed. Maybe Williams will be good, but he got stepped on last year and went out pretty fast.

Beck wasn't given a real shot last year - Green and Lemon played too many games combined as it was obvious Lemon wasn't "the" starter from the beginning.  Even last years coaching thought a dinosaur that didn't even know the play book that well was better than having Lemon start.  As for on field leadership - were you in the huddle?  Beck didn't get any real coaching, had no recievers,ran the scout team, and had an o-line that quit, without a run game what do you expect - O line like to hit people not just try and stop rushers.  I don't blame the linemen too much because if you were in the middle of a massively losing season would you want to chance getting injured?

Yeah, Beck fumbled way too much, but the Dolphins were going to win at Pitt until the protection was totally blown and Beck got plastered from his blind side. I think the way that Beck played in the crap conditions at Pitt show exactly how much gumption he has and showed his team how he would handle bad weather conditions too. Overall Beck played better than Big ol’ Ben in that game.

Henne is here to be good QB for the phins, but so is Beck. I don’t count either of them out. Parcells can take credit for the coaching staff for Beck and the pick for Henne – either way the QB was developed by the new regime not the old one.

by Ozols on Apr 29, 2008 10:35 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i look forward

to some good ol’ competition in training camp at the QB position. it’s quite possible that any of these three guys could come out as the starter. with the new coaching staff coming—all three start pretty much at square one. i truly don’t beleive that the job is any one guy’s to lose. i think the guy that comes in, grasps the offense and performs the best will start the season as QB- bottom line. no one’s got an edge coming in.

i didn’t want the fins to draft a QB on day one. But now that Henne’s on board, i think he deserves a fair shot, and i am excited at the possiblities at the QB position more so than i have been in years going into camp.

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by NumberSeven on Apr 29, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Henne interview

at 4:30 on Mandich’s show on WQAM.
http://www.wqam.com/index.php?page=1&sid=s2d12nc1atra8vkmi1dijieji2
^^ link to listen live

if you don’t catch it live it’ll be in the interview archives under the “audio” header.

Just a heads up

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 29, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thx

QB Playoffs this season… Win or Go Home
-by Little Nicky 21

by NeverSellout on Apr 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that was short

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 29, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

er yeah it was...

so the 1 sentence summary…

Henne: ‘I’m smart, pick things up quickly, and am a good leader so I expect to compete for the starting job’

by Natalya on Apr 29, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why did he sound so bitter though?

he was pissed about ESPN showing him too many times and breaking their agreement.

he was insulted that teams called him and said they were gonna take him and they didn’t.

I hope he uses the supposed “draft snub” as motivation instead of dwelling on it…

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 29, 2008 5:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahaha I was saying that the other day

he has the Quagmire eyes and the Quagmire chin lol

I swear if he ever lets out a giggity in an interview I’ll die laughing.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 29, 2008 5:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol me 2

QB Playoffs this season… Win or Go Home
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by NeverSellout on Apr 29, 2008 5:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Henne

From my perspective, as someone who watched Henne for 4 years at Michigan, the guy did have a lot of weapons at his disposal like Braylon Edwards, Manningham, and Arrington at WR.

Not to mention, he had Mike Hart to hand off to in the backfield (the all-time leading rusher at UM) and Jake Long protecting him for four years. Those guys made Henne look a lot better than perhaps he really is.

That said, I do like Henne and I think he’ll be a solid quarterback. But he’s not a franchise quarterback who can work magic without good talent surrounding him.

by anaconda on Apr 29, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats why

we have to surround him with good talent.. Look at Eli and Rivers as just two examples. Nobody would say they are on that Brady/Peyton level, but they are good enough to win if they have a good defense, good running game, and some WR/TE’s to make plays.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 29, 2008 6:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Open competition

I do not think BP & Co are stupid enough to name a starter without thorough competition. The Henne is it because BP drafted him” thing is not what is going on. The players that take the field week 1 will be the best player we have at that position, including QB. If Henne beats out Beck it is because he gives the ‘phins the best chance to win. We are not dealing with rookie coaches, with no direction, that use up the starting RB by returning Kick offs in pre-season.

Phatfinfan

by phatfinfan on Apr 29, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my signature says it all

QB Playoffs this season… Win or Go Home
-by Little Nicky 21

by NeverSellout on Apr 29, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's this kind of approach that got them

~ The players that take the field week 1 will be the best player we have at that position, including QB ~

It’s this kind of approach that got them into this situation. Sometimes you have to play the guy who will be the best guy for game 1 2009. Look – Green was the best QB last season, and then the lemon was the next best QB, but the reality of last season was that once green went down, the focus should have been on getting Beck experience for 2008… Well Cam went with the old ‘play the guy who gives us the best chance to win this game’ approach instead of looking a little down the road…

Well, BP and co made the choice that Henne is the qb of the future, right or wrong, and it’s time the dolphins stop that focus on this game approach and take a long term approach of focusing on developing the QB of the future. Sorry to say but as a result beck wil have to be sacrificed for that choice.

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree to an extent

You are correct when you speak of last year’s situation. I think that Green was the best option at the begining of the season. Where I think the blunder was made was using Lemon. Beck was drafted as the future, he should of got the nod during the second half. But this year is different. We have two young inexperienced QBs. Both should be considered at square one and allowed equal opportunity in competition. I do not agree that Beck will be sacrificed. I think he is the better QB. I think BP will allow the two QBs to fight for it. This job will be the signature of his career. If he plays Henne just because he is his pick, and Henne fails, BP will have to live with that forever.

Phatfinfan

by phatfinfan on Apr 30, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, Let's Be Serious Here

Henne is the better quarterback. Why?

Well, by making an anagram of his name we end up with a very superior sounding,

“Enhanced He”

Whereas John Beck is reordered into,

“Job Kench”

A kench is a box or bin where fish skins are salted. Not cool.

Even,

“Bench Jok”

despite lacking a second real word is not promising. Matty I, I think it’s over for your boy. The stars don’t lie.

Sorry for the levity.

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by The Phinisher on Apr 29, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

matty...

your full of bull…lol

we all know that you are depressed over the whole..beck may not be the future era…cause hell i am…hell all phins fans are..because for another year in a row we are given this uncapped amount of hope and promise…and another year it bites us on the ass. The thing that is worse this year is that we are 100% guarenteed that one of our last two picks will not pan out!

Reason being is that if John Beck is starter and is progressing that means chad henne will be gone and end of that…another 2nd rounder done

If Chad henne is doing well then john beck is done…and hell its over for him in a dolphins uniform..

IF none of them pan out…then hell we screwed…

in short if one does well that means 1 of our 2nd rounders was a waste ….i kno im a beck fan and so are you…so dont even lie matty

by finsxfactor on Apr 29, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I won't deny that I do hope Beck is the better QB

...but I’m not rooting against Henne and if he becomes the best QB on this team, then that’s fine.

I just want to win. I want to be in the playoffs. I forget what it’s like to be rooting for the Dolphins in the playoffs. So if Henne is the one that does it, I’ll live with it.

by Matty I on Apr 29, 2008 10:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will bet $1,000,000

That the same people who are firmly Pro Henne and Anti Beck will turn on Henne the second he effs up.

Anyhow w ehave tow talented QBs on this team, both are dying to show the Tuna whos the best QB to lead this team, and it will sure be fun to watch.

Let the best man win.

by Patssuck456 on Apr 29, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'd take that bet

since i’m really not pro henne, nor anti beck… heck I think if you search my past posts, you’ll see that my history says i’ve felt pretty stongly that the dolphins didn’t develop Beck last season and that is the primary reason Cam should have been canned… then pre-draft, I think you’ll find that I mentioned on more then one occasion that Beck deserves a year as the starter… Heck, I ever questioned what the phins were doing signing McCown to a big money deal…. I’m not sure i’m on record as saying I’m not too impressed with Henne, but then I didn’t watch him play too many times either….

having said all that what I do know is there are two types of players on a parcells team… parcells guys and those who are not, and you can be pretty sure what happens to those who are not, and the drafting of Henne is a pretty stong sign, omen, tea leaves that Beck isn’t a parcells guy. So everyone who somehow thinks Beck is going to get some sort of fair shot at QB don’t count on it…

And i’ve listed my reason for the belief here…

http://www.thephinsider.com/2008/4/29/462808/how-will-the-beck-pick-go

BTW: when you have the $1,000,000 I’ll set up a paypal accont you can send it to because I have this imprisoned foreign uncle who can’t get his money out of his country…. :)

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 10:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LIES ALL LIES!!

I don’t care if he couldn’t hang on to the ball everytime he got tickled. Couldn’t ever hardly lead our team to any points. Or even if he just let the ball slip out of his hands for a defender to run it back for a TD, I’m with him to the end. Uhhh wait, that was I’m getting from the Anti Henne and Pro Beck squad.

Let the best man win

Agreed, but if Beck couldn’t be out a 3rd string QB (Lemon) last year, what makes peeps think he will keep his job against McCown or Henne (in his second year)?

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

by Neo on Apr 30, 2008 8:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Henne-Beck

99% of the people downing Beck were in love with Culpepper, Green, and Lemon and now say that they suck. I guess that is the fun of being a fan, you can always change your opinion and get behind “the next big thing.” Beck is the better option, at least until we get a strong line, because Beck can run. Long can’t block them all. Unless he gets behind an all-pro line, Henne will be out of the NFL in 3 years because he can’t run at all. Look at Brady, he did great until he faced a D-line that put him on the ground. Opponents will blitz every play. Henne had better be a tough guy because he will be hit a lot.

Phatfinfan

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