Early Post-Draft Thoughts
Well this was quite a weekend for all of us Dolphin fans. There's a lot to get to and we will get to it all over the next few days and weeks. Below are just my early thoughts about what the Dolphins did this past weekend.
FINS SIGN UNDRAFTED WR
The Honolulu Advertiser reports that the Dolphins, who didn't draft a receiver in any of the 7 rounds of the draft, have signed Hawaii WR Davone Bess. And I think this has the potential to be a very solid signing for the Dolphins.
Bess, coming out as a junior, was a very productive wide receiver in Hawaii's wide open passing attack. His 3 year career at Hawaii includes 293 receptions for 3,610 yards and 41 touchdowns. But it's hard to base his potential on numbers when you consider the teams he played against and the offensive system he played in.
However, when you watch this guy play, you see that he's got some serious potential. At 5'9, 194, he doesn't have ideal height. And he ran just a 4.6 40, so he doesn't have great speed. But he's very quick and possesses great hands. In any highlight you see, you'll notice he's catching the ball out in front of him with his hands, not with his body. He's also very quick out of his breaks, allowing him to make solid cuts, catch the ball, and then turn and run after the catch. He's also got the ability to break arm tackles, further adding to his elusiveness after the catch.
Make no mistake about it, Bess isn't just a "camp body." Mark my words: Davone Bess will be a Miami Dolphin in 2008. And I'm not talking practice squad - I'm talking about on the 53 man roster.
THOUGHTS ON OFFENSIVE LINE
The Dolphins drafted 3 offensive lineman in this weekend's draft. But since we've addressed Jake Long enough (for now), I want to turn your attention to the two guards that the Dolphins drafted.
At 6'4, 320, Shawn Murphy is a massive man. He's got terrific strength and is surprisingly quick. Some say he's still raw, but I look at that as a good thing. A coach like Tony Sparano will be able to get the most out of him and his potential. Coincidentally, NFL.com compares Murphy to new Dolphin Justin Smiley.
And speaking of which, in his post-draft news conference, GM Jeff Ireland said that Murphy would be placed a right guard initially and they would see what he can do there. Ireland also went on to say that Murphy will battle for the starting spot right from the beginning. What does this mean for Smiley? Ireland said that this would likely mean that he moves to left guard, but said the decision is Tony Sparano's to make. In my view, this makes the most sense, as I'd rather not have two rookies starting on the left side of the offensive line (Long being the other at LT).
As for the other guard taken, UConn's Donald Thomas, he's more of a project since he was only a one-year starter in college. But he's got good size (6'4, 303) and good athleticism. For now, he seems like a player destined to provide depth and eventually grow into a potentially larger role down the road.
TALKING DEFENSIVE LINE
I wanted to really talk about two of Miami's picks here because there's been a lot of debate about these two guys.
First up is Hampton's Kendall Langford. This is a player who the Dolphins have been rumored to like for about a month now. And other 3-4 teams also reportedly liked his ability and his potential. He really is an ideal fit as a defensive end in a 3-4 defense. Kendall measures in at 6'6 and, depending where you look, between 287-295 pounds. He's big, strong, and powerful and gets a great initial push. He also possesses top-flight intangibles. There was a stat in one of the draft threads that I posted which reads that reads Langford had the ball run in his direction 293 times, with opposing teams only gaining 64 yards (I believe that's the exact number, but could be wrong). Some will say that stat is misleading because it was against weaker competition. The only way I can argue that is to say that the only reason he didn't get into a bigger school is because of some academic issues. He was recruited, though, by at least Virginia and Virginia Tech.
Miami's pick at #32, Phillip Merling, was really a steal. He was a projected first round pick who might have slipped because of hernia surgery. But he's already said he'll be ready to go for the rookie mini-camp. He's a ferocious defender who has a lot of quickness for his size. He's stout against the run, can get to the quarterback, and plays well in pursuit.
The big question, though, is where Merling will initially play. In his post-draft conference call, he said he thinks he's an end, but isn't against playing as an outside linebacker in a 3-4. At 6'5, 272, I personally think he would make a better defensive end because of his lack of speed off the edge. And his size tends to lend himself to the DE spot in a 3-4, as he can certainly stand to gain another 10 pounds, getting up in the 280 range, without taking away from his abilities.
However, at 272, he potentially could be an outside linebacker, especially if Jason Taylor somehow ends up someplace else by the time the season rolls around. Remember, Greg Ellis, in Dallas' 3-4 defense, plays the OLB spot at 265 pounds. So I don't think it is set in stone yet exactly where Merling will be playing once the season rolls around. It's a good pick, nonetheless.
Matt Roth and Vonnie Holliday are officially on notice. Their starting jobs are certainly in jeopardy.
QUICK HITS
-I think the two running backs drafted by the Dolphins each bring something different to the table. At 6'0, 224, Jalen Parmele is a decent player. He runs a 4.47 40 and is an excellent inside runner, using power and toughness to pick up extra yards. I think he'll battle with Patrick Cobbs to be Miami's 3rd running back. And if Parmele can show he can contribute on special teams, Cobbs might not be around come September.
Meanwhile, Lex Hilliard looks to me like he could be tried at either halfback or fullback. At 5'11, 228, he's a solid short yardage player. But his ability to block well and his slow 4.63 40 time leads me to think that he'd have to make the team as a fullback and special teamer if he wants to stick around. But I also don't know too much else on him, so I'll wait and see what happens with him.
-I don't necessarily think that Chad Henne's selection means John Beck is not in Miami's plans. If the Dolphins were really not liking what they have been seeing out of John, then the Dolphins would have taken Henne at #32. I think this was more of a value pick at #57, where they like what Henne might be able to do and was likely the highest player remaining on Miami's board at the time. I can't wait to watch this QB battle play out. Competition is going to bring out the best in both of these tough competitors.
FINAL THOUGHTS
We'll talk about each of these picks much more in-depth in the near future. But for now, what I take away from this draft is that Parcells and Ireland have a plan for this team. and this was a classic "Bill Parcells draft." He's building the team from the inside out and focusing on the two most important aspects of the game of football: running the ball and stopping the run. You may be asking where the secondary help and receiver help is, but those 2 things can be addressed next year. For now, the Dolphins wanted to improve both the ground game and passing attack by beefing up the offensive line. They also wanted to sure up this "swiss cheese" run defense that Miami had last year. Because we saw first hand that if you can't stop the run, you can't win in this league.
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Matty - sorry to tell you
-I don’t necessarily think that Chad Henne’s selection means John Beck is not in Miami’s plans.
that Beck is done… he’s officialy on a one game renewable contract… It starts with preseason game one and may end there… I see no way that Beck can succeed in the current situation. His team mates aren’t stupid, they’ve seen what has happened to none BP guys and what will happen to the rest. They know Henne is a BP guy and he will eventually see the field. So Beck has to play looking over his shoulder knowing that his first bad game/quarter/series could mean the end of his playing days in Miami? How can his teammates seriously look at this guy and expect him to be the leader, knowing full well that Henne will be playing sometime soon?
Sorry to say this, because I liked what the guy did in camp last season, but It’s best to see what they can get for Beck and move on.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 28, 2008 12:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with W NY...
much like Matty says Holliday & Roth’s job are notice – so is John Beck.
It isn’t that he’s ‘automatically out’, but he no longer has the luxury of just making ‘strides’ as a player. First he obviously has to succeed beating out McCown & Henne for the job. Then he needs to play like a starter from the opening snap.
Beck was not selected by this regime so there are no ties or loyalty there or advantage – as we saw how quickly BP & co traded LoBo as he didn’t ‘fit’ the system. Beck, in their eyes, is just a 27 year old QB with a few games experience, not very good results so far, and a salary that can easily be dumped via cut or waive.
So sure, Beck can win the job, even keep it actually. For that to happen though he’s got to be solid from the start. Otherwise, I think he’s out.
Think about it – the dolphins need yet failed to draft a single cornerback, wide receiver, or tight end yet they have holes at each of those positions – especially corner and tight end. Yet we are to think that Parcells skipped on a quality prospect at those spots just to provide more ‘competition’ for Beck? I don’t buy it for a second as it makes no sense. Second round QB’s aren’t drafted to be perpetual backups and mere ‘competition’.
Given how this thing is shaping up, I wouldn’t be surprised if McCown or Henne win the job.
by Natalya on Apr 28, 2008 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we did get fasano via trade with the cowboys. he has upside at tight end, maybe they thought they didn’t need to address the tight end position in this draft at least. as for cornerbacks, i think we should have taken one, but with a better pass rush, our cornerbacks will get that much better (not that that says much.)
by bedabuse on Apr 28, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, if ...
...after having David Lee work with Beck since January, they decided he wasn’t worth much, they could easily have traded him to the Ravens for a pick. So, while you think Beck is already done, I think he gets more than a one pre-season game make or break chance.
In fact, although I have, perhaps, no more expertise than you, I’ll wager Beck is our starter come September.
As to the ‘competition’ comment, it should be noted that if a QB were so desperately needed, he would have been traded up for in round 1 or at least snapped up at # 32. Indeed we could have taken Ryan with the first choice.
On balance, I think a solid prospect to provide competition was taken at the proper time. If Henne beats out McCown and Beck (do you really think the coaches and Parcells are petty enough to ditch John because they didn’t pick him?) in fair competition, then I’m all for him being our starter. I think it’s MUCH too early to be making pronouncements that Beck is done, or one and out.
Go Phins!
by Yorke Hunt on Apr 28, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that is the view that agree with!
John Beck + Phillip Merling + Ted Ginn Jr+ Jake Long + the rest of the 2008 draft= SUPERBOWL IS NEAR!
by NeverSellout on Apr 28, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice post.
Where I would disagree is that I think Roth is the guy who has underperformed and who needs to improve to keep his job. I don’t think there is an issue with performance where Holliday is concerned. Holliday is getting up in years and drafting a guy to share time with, to learn from him, and to eventually replace him is just prudent. Plus, its pretty common these days to rotate DL in to keep them fresh. Also, Holliday will probably be slid over to DT on obvious passing downs, like he has in the past.
I think you’re right on where Beck is concerned. However, I’d be very surprised if Henne wins the QB job.
No WR drafted, to me, gives life to the Keyshawn rumors. TE I think we’re set if this guy Fasano is any decent.
by dab415217 on Apr 28, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's just not objective
If the Dolphins are so low on Beck and so high on Henne, why didn’t they take him with #32. I’ll telly ou why: because they were ready to move on with Beck at the helm. You see if you’re only QB is McCown, there’s no way don’t take a QB at 32. There’s no way you decide you “might” get on of the top QBs at 57, taking that sort of gamble at the game’s most crucial position, and the one that takes longer to master. Because of that, the first thing you do when you take over a team is get a QB.
That being said, they obviously liked Henne’s value at 57; they probably liked him enough to take him at 32, but didn’t because they felt QB wasn’t their most pressing need. And remember: Henne is just a rookie 2nd round pick. So Beck gets this year to prove himself. If he doesn’t, Henne gets a crack at the job next year. If he does, Henne can still be dealt, if he shows promise, without losing value in a few years.
It’ll go like that, or my name ain’t Nathan Arizona!
by icerob on Apr 28, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so you guys
basically think that because they didn’t take Henne at 32, then he’s just competition fodder right? And if they had taken him at 32 what would you have said…..well they didn’t trade up into the first round to get him so therefore Beck is still the guy…..?
Teams that are 1-15 do not have the luxury of just drafting guys just to ‘compete’. Maybe New England can do that, maybe the Giants can pull it off, but at 1-15 you draft players you expect to see on the field contributing.
And there’s nothing petty about it whatsoever. Parcells & Co. never picked Beck, they never pegged him as their guy or staked their reputation on his success or prepared themselves to groom him for the starting job.
Beck is just a holdover from the previous regime that as well all know, failed rather spectacularly. They have no ties to Beck and his salary is small enough that he can easily be disposed of should he fail to perform.
Speaking of performing, that’s the gist of it now – if Beck performs, then he’ll get the job and if he doesn’t then he won’t, very simple. He’s in a not dissimilar position than what Drew Brees found himself a few years ago in SD when the chargers picked Rivers. Brees stepped up his game, made a pro-bowl and remained the starter. If he hadn’t picked up his game then you can be Rivers would have come in and replaced him.
by Natalya on Apr 28, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
i think parcells was already thinkin of draftin a qb in the 3rd or 4th round for competition… but if you had chad henne still available at the bottom of the second round (projected late first, early second) then its a steal at that spot and with the depth of the draft they could still get the players they wanted with the following picks… so i still think beck is the starter and will have AT LEAST half a season to prove himself until mccown/henne takes over if we have not one a couple games yet.
John Beck + Phillip Merling + Ted Ginn Jr+ Jake Long + the rest of the 2008 draft= SUPERBOWL IS NEAR!
by NeverSellout on Apr 28, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
beck is not a sure thing by any means, he has yet to prove anything at the pro level
we get henne as the back up plan, he wont be ready this year, and he can push beck to play better
beck will get playing time this year, he needs to show some good strides to secure the starting spot next year, which is how it should be
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 28, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol agree to disagree =/
QB Playoffs this season… Win or Go Home
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by NeverSellout on Apr 28, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey guy
nice signature lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 28, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
most likely
~If the Dolphins are so low on Beck and so high on Henne, why didn’t they take him with #32~
because they figured he or one of the other QB’s would be there at #57…. remember they didn’t take Henne until Brohm came off the board and if they were just picking for value they could have waited out 6 more picks and taken him with the 3rd rounder? Plus the teams that were looking for a QB had already passed on their shot for Henne… Atlanta took henne – baltimore over drafted Flacco and the jets passed on a QB when they jumped miami at 32 to pick a TE… so i’m pretty sure the brass could game at 32 that one of their qb’s would be their at 57 since brohm was still on the board.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 28, 2008 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matty-I agree with you
The best QB will play period. The one thing about Bill is he will put Beck in the position to get the job done. If he can he continues to play until someone comes along and plays better. Case in point, Cowboys in 2006 when he felt Romo was ready he waited until he could no longer trust Bledsoe and then went to the unproven kid. Romo also had to beat out the baseball player (can’t thing of his name) who cost the cowboys a 3rd pick and millions. Bill cut him after camp. Bill only cares about winning, If Beck is smart with the football and scores points he will be fine. I think Beck should be more worried about McCown than Henne this year. McCown has been in this league for a few years and has played on some bad teams and put in some bad situations. Give McCown a good running game and some big targets he might beat out Beck. Whoever wins I will be rooting for and I can’t wait till the competition begins.
by jvw on Apr 28, 2008 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jalen Parmele
Does anyone know if this guy Jalen Parmele is Bernie’s kid? that would be pretty cool considering Bernie’s impact for the phins back in the day … i’ve read on a few sites that he isnt, and others that he is… I’m leaning towards him not being his kid… but i still read alot of good thigns about his speed/size ratio
by YatilGinnJr on Apr 28, 2008 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From what I've heard...
Not Bernie’s son. Differently spelled last names too.
by gophish on Apr 28, 2008 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given that their names are spelled differently...
I’m guessing he’s not. Bernie’s was “Parmalee.”
by urbino on Apr 28, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bess and the rest
Bess was Hawaii’s best receiver and plays faster than he ran. I saw a bunch of Hawaii games this year. He knows how to find the hole in the zone a la Wes Welker. I think he’s a great addition at no money.
The trifecta definitely drafted a ton of beef. I watched the draft on the NFL Network and Mayock (who was nailing almost every pick) said he had Merling in his top 15 before the injury news (which is insignificant). I love the Merling pick- Matt Roth is a gonner. Vonnie will be gone soon too. Maybe we should trade Vonnie and Roth.
Also on the NFL Network, Lombardi picked Langford as the second day guy to stand out.
Interesting that Miami took two running backs. Both of these guys have great size and power. I’m not too worried about speed as Terrell Davis rand a 4.7 at the combine. It’s all in the film.
As far as Beck and Henne… May the best man win. What would be funny is if Josh McCown wins out and pulls a Derek Anderson move.
by gophish on Apr 28, 2008 1:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Soliai
Has anyone heard anything on the DT Soliai? Is he working hard in the off season program?
by gophish on Apr 28, 2008 2:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looking back on last year's draft...
What was up with Cam’s Samoan fettish?
by gophish on Apr 28, 2008 2:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cam was really bad
I just cannot believe what he and Randy did to the team. From the draft of Ginn to the handling of that Traylor guy on the plane he was rubbish. He came, put the team back years and left with millions and now is in Baltimore with a new job. Good luck to Flacco, as I would not be surprised if he does not live up to the hype up there.
by resman on Apr 28, 2008 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well for Flacco's sake...
Cam-Cam won’t be the head coach and get to fudge his way through announcing the starting QB every week.
by Natalya on Apr 28, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in defense of Mueller...
...Cam2 didn’t help him out any. While I didn’t like the pick of Ginn over Quinn, looking at the draft as a whole it was pretty good. I believe Mueller, with another HC would have been able to turn the team around. it would have been different than a Parcells built team, since Mueller favors speed over brute force.
Cam just seemed so overmatched as a HC that everything looked worse than it was.
by dab415217 on Apr 28, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
how good a draft it was though.
The verdict on Ginn is obviously not settled yet while I think we will definitely know about Beck this year. If Beck isn’t the starter then well, there goes that pick. LoBo is gone. Satele is a starter and solid, a good choice. Fields was a step back from our previous punter.
So I’m not sure how good a draft it was.
Agree though that cam-cam was totally over matched.
by Natalya on Apr 28, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't discount that the entire scheme has changed.
LoBo wasn’t due to a lack of ability, obviously. He just didn’t fit the new regime’s plans.
I think we’ll have to watch how some of these players pan out on other teams due to the complete change of direction this franchise has made with the BP regime.
by dab415217 on Apr 28, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Cam Cameron as the Baltimore Ravens offensive Coordinator.
Him being there gives us the best chance to win more games this year. :)
by dab415217 on Apr 28, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Both Merling and Langford are your typical DE's in a 3-4.
They are going to take up OL and allow the OLB’s to make plays.
The stat on Langford is misleading. The stat is on the plays he made. Well, 99.9% of all DL plays are going to be made at the line of scrimmage or behind. I’m not taking away from his ability to stop the run. Its just that the stat is misleading.
by dab415217 on Apr 28, 2008 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For example.
If Langford gets pancaked and the RB goes 80 yds for a TD running right over his spot, that would not be counted in those stats because he didn’t make the play.
by dab415217 on Apr 28, 2008 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what we all have to realize
we arent a one draft away team. we are a 3 or 4 draft away team. and those need to be great drafts too. i loved almost every aspect of what parcells and ireland did (my one thing i did not understand was the 2 rb’s but im sure there is a plan for that like matty stated). i cant wait to stick around and see everything pan out!
by bedabuse on Apr 28, 2008 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
About the 2 RB's
RBrown, never finish a season & RWilliams? unreliable? need to say more?
Good picks, for covering our as..esss. With the lne we are forming, anybody should be able to run trhough them
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)
by Aleta on Apr 28, 2008 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
with drafting one.but the part that loses me is that we drafted 2 similar style running backs. matty pointed out that one could be designated as a fullback i know and if thats the case then my comments are fruitless, but i was simply stating that i thought there may have been more pressing concerns at the point where we took hilliard.
by bedabuse on Apr 28, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got it!!
I got what you meant, but look at the entire draf!!
We got 3 OL, 3 DL, we over stock the team. I beleived they are calling it competition ; ), but this is barbarick LOL
It looks, this is the way to go. FOR SURE, next year we are not going to be addressing this position in the early picks ; )
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)
by Aleta on Apr 28, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to say
But I disagree that the two RBs are similar. Parmlee was a great value as some had him graded in the 3rd round. I see Lex replacing the FB cause he will get cut. Should have never gotten into that fight. Bad, bad, bad! One other thing that needs to be said about these two guys; they don’t FUMBLE. With over 1100 carries between them 0 fumbles. That is impressive and really says something about how they play the game. By the way the same can be said of our UDFA WR also 3 1000+ yead seasons and no fumbles. Bill must be really licking his chops.
by gafinfan on Apr 28, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree but...
instead of parmele i wouldve loved mike hart who was still available and a better pass blocker(i thot this kid was more BP material). plus 2 rb? even if you turn one into a fb its not a goodpick cuz fbs can be found as UDFA. plus we seriously needed a cb. so far we havent even signed an undrafted one yet.
John Beck + Phillip Merling + Ted Ginn Jr+ Jake Long + the rest of the 2008 draft= SUPERBOWL IS NEAR!
by NeverSellout on Apr 28, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Solid Draft
I loved this draft from the 1st pick all the way to the last. BP and Co did a tremendous job in selecting a core group of guys who will have an impact for years to come. Henne I believe is a better QB right now then what we have. The only knock against him is that he stares receivers down (that can easily be corrected). I watched him play for Michigan and when he was on there was no better college QB. The only reason y he would have off games was because of a shoulder injury he played through an entire season with (tough kid). When it healed he played lights out (look at the bowl game against Florida..he destroyed them). Henne and Long will anchor this offense for years to come.
by rph1976 on Apr 28, 2008 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
really?
The only knock against him is that he stares receivers down (that can easily be corrected).
I keep hearing people say this, but if it’s so easily corrected, why is he still doing it? The guy’s been playing QB his whole life—4 years of it in one of the best college programs in the country.
He’s had a ton of very good coaching, but he still stares down receivers. ISTM that in his case, at least, this is not a problem that’s “easily corrected.”
by urbino on Apr 28, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henne kinda fell...
... in our lap, and the last QB that did that ended up pretty good around here…overly optimistic, i know, and Henne is no Marino, .. but he was my fav hi profile QB in the draft [if u can call em that this year] so personally im happy about it….someone noted that its the 13th QB since marino too…[ominous music]....i dunno what it means for Beck ‘zacly, cept he’s gonna have to earn his way, but he seems mentally tuff, so i wouldnt count him out just yet…however i do agree w/ an earlier post, that ‘the trifecta’ is not finished here as we still have some serious holes to fill so i wouldnt get too attached to anyone at this point… LOVE the Merling pick too, and Jake Long goes w/out saying.
by Krab on Apr 28, 2008 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Parcells & Henne
I just thought I’d chime in. I’m new to the board. I’m a huge Parcells fan, so when he came to the Dolphins I found this board. I was delighted with his hiring—my mom has lived in SoBe for years, so I’m a Miamian at heart (just not there in body yet, but soon!).
Before I get into the main part of my post, I must commend the high quality of this board. I’ve found that bloggers are often better analysts & writers than the alleged “sports reporters” employed by media. I used to read Blogging the Boys (also a member of SB Nation), & both this blog & that one have been consistently excellent.
So, back to the message at hand. Keep an eye on what Parcells does with Henne. I wouldn’t be surprised to find this a situation similar to what he did in Dallas. You get a kid in a lower round (or undrafted), so the pressures are a bit less on him. Then you let him watch & learn for a couple of years, keeping him out of the glare of the media. In Dallas, the know-nothing fans & media were constantly screaming for Drew Henson to play—but all along, Parcells kept talking about this promising kid who had “moxie.” Name of Tony Romo. Parcells took a lot of bashing over not playing Henson, but he realized that Romo was the real deal altho he needed some work. Parcells also has his good buddy Ron Wolf (who brought Favre to Green Bay), whose judgement he values heavily in evaluating QBs. I’m sure he talked quite a bit to Ron about Henne.
The fact that the Fins would pick a QB in the 3rd round says a lot to me. He probably won’t play this year, but I’m betting that Parcells is going to have the QB coach work intensively with him right away. And listen for any mention of that word “moxie”—in Parcells’ speak, that’s high praise. If he says a kid has moxie, that’s a kid to keep an eye on.
by Kittymama on Apr 28, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a few things...
First, welcome, nice first post. Second, I was always under the impression Parcells didn’t like Tony Romo. I thought he was more of a Testaverde and Bledsoe fan. I don’t think he ever wanted anything to do with Romo, but that ended up working out so he is getting credit. Also, Henne was a late 2nd round pick, not a 3rd rounder, just to be technical. It does validate your point though that he was taken lower (57th) than John Beck (40th).
by tedhill on Apr 28, 2008 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew Henson is his name
Thanks Kittymama, I couldn’t think of his name and great post by the way I agree with everything you said, Parcells loved Romo but his big thing is do not put a QB on the field until he is ready. Everyone wanted to see Romo in blow out games but bill wouldn’t do it. I assume Sparano will be the same way.
by jvw on Apr 28, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the welcome guys! No, Parcells loved Romo from the beginning. I used to listen to all the PCs & even in year one (when Romo had just been signed & noone knew who he was), there would occasionally be a question about him. It was very clear that Parcells saw something there but was softpedalling it because he wanted to shield Romo from crushing expecations too quickly.
Parcells never sent Romo to NFL Europe-he sent Hutchinson but never would send Romo. When reporters would ask, he’d just explain that he thought Romo could learn more at home. That was a definite sign there was something going on-Parcells generally would only send players to NFL Europe that he had real doubts about. That was their sort-of last shot deal to prove something to him. And then in the second training camp, after Henson had been signed, plus Hutchinson & Quincy Carter (remember him?), everyone was sure Romo would be the cut. But Parcells kept him, then of course QC decided to let his career go up in smoke (literally), Hutchinson eventually was sent to Chicago.
Parcells definitely liked Vinny & Drew, but they were clearly there as placeholders. He was rebuilding a team & needed a veteran QB in place while he fixed a lot of other messes. So I’m not writing off Beck just yet, despite what Salguero is saying over at the “Herald.” Parcells will definitely look for a steady QB who can hold the fort & not make lots of mistakes while they groom whichever young QB they think can be the future. It looks like this batch of QBs will get a bit of a break over Bledsoe & Testaverde, because the Dolphins went out of their way to draft some solid players to protect the QB. That was probably the biggest glaring weakness in Dallas—that & Bledsoe was slow as molasses, which really exposed their weak OL.
And don’t think Ayodele & Fasano won’t make an impact. Those are two others that Parcells sees something in. Parcells has a pretty good history with TEs (Ben Watson, Jason Witten), so it’s telling that he wanted Fasano. (He also hasn’t done too badly with LBs over the years.) Plus, keep an eye on the 2 RBs he drafted. That’s another area where Parcells has managed to spot some real gems over the years (Curtis Martin & Marion Barber spring to mind, altho Julius Jones turned out to be kinda weak mentally). But Ayodele & Fasano have played under Parcells, so they’ve survived the mental games he plays with people & will be able to teach some of the other players on the team how to survive.
by Kittymama on Apr 28, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bill's role
I kind of doubt Bill will be playing mental games with players like he has in the past. Remember: he’s not the coach, so he’s not going to have contact with these guys every day. Not unless he makes a pest of himself, anyway, by crowding Sparano.
Also, while I’m sure he’ll have input, he won’t be choosing the starting QB. Sparano will.
Tony Sparano is our head coach. Let’s try to remember that (and hope Bill does, too, or we’re never going to be able to keep a coach).
by urbino on Apr 29, 2008 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ronnie Borwn rehab video on msnbc.com
Don’t know if this was posted before, but here it is:
by dab415217 on Apr 28, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's Ronnie Brown.
....I have such l77t typing skills.
by dab415217 on Apr 28, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2008 Draft and More.
First I thought we had an ok draft. Phillip Merling must be moved to OLB. He has 4.71 speed in the 40 which isn’t bad. If he can lose 5-15 pounds he’ll get a tad faster. As far as the other 3-4 ends go, here’s my opinion. Roth – make or break year. Holliday – long in the tooth. R. Wright – up and coming player. Starks – can play DE or NT in a 3-4. Langford – typical 3-4 end. I’d really like for Merling to be moved to OLB because Taylor is getting up in age, A. Wright is still a project as is Moses being moved there. Porter is fine on the other side. But as you can see we need another OLB and I hope that’s Merling. If not I’d have to disagree with Parcells on taking 2 defensive ends when we already have depth there. We could have went corner, OLB, or WR. Again, I like Merling but I think we need to move him to OLB. If we do this draft looks alot better. As far as Beck – Henne goes I’ll say this. Henne won’t start this year. This is Beck’s job to lose and if he does, it’s to McCown. I’m not a big Henne fan at all. To be honest I hate him. I’m sure that will change over time. Lastly, Jason Taylor needs to be let go. I don’t agree with the approach Parcells has taken on this. He tried to get a draft pick, he screwed up, and now it’s time to move on. Wayne is already in the media defending Jason and Parcells won’t even talk to him? Give me a break! Do the right thing and release Jason Taylor TODAY! There’s no need for his reputation to be tarnished because of this circus. He’s given us 10 years. We can give him this. Just my 2 cents.
Matt
by Matt27 on Apr 28, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing about Beck
is that he is a high calibre guy. you would want him to date your daughter. you know you could drink a beer with him and like him more. no I don’t have a man crush. He’s a great guy. I want him to…really want him to succeed. He’s a hero/saviour figure that would fit the super hero saviour mold. But, the dolphins come first. If he’s beaten out then a better player takes the helm and we do better.
If Tuna want him out or to demote then Henne would have been #32. Henne is quality insurance and adds depth to roster and makes us better.
I’m in no doubt that Beck has ‘it’. He will lead us back to competitiveness.
by Corroncho on Apr 28, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey...
I think most fans here would agree with me that most of all, we just want one of these 3 guys to be the answer at QB.
I don’t have a horse in this race, sort to speak, I just want one guy to play well and lead the team. Whether it is Beck or Henne or even McCown is irrelevant to me…
by Natalya on Apr 28, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Can’t we just have 1 good QB? Just 1? That’s all I ask.. Please?
lol how old is Marino?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 28, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
I don’t need anybody to date my [nonexistent] daughter. Just a quarterback.
by urbino on Apr 29, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I just don’t see how Beck can ever succeed now….
Heck look at Anderson in Cleveland right now… He led them to 10 wins in 15 games and people are still wondering when Quinn is going to play…. and beck goes into this battle with a much less then anderson has…
Time to move on… the leaders made that choice with pick #57
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 28, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree about Anderson
Anderson is making more money than Quinn right now. It’s Quinn who is screwed. And Quinn was a much higher pick and came with much higher expectations than Henne, just as Anderson came with much lower expectations than Beck, so the comparison helps Becks argument, if any.
by icerob on Apr 29, 2008 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm...
that’s why they tried to trade anderson last year….
not that I want to turn this into a browns board, but if cleveland starts 1-3 Quinn starts game 5…
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beck-Henne
The popular opinion is that Henne will get the nod because he is a Parcells guy. I think that QB is a little different. I think the best man will rise to the top quickly. Everyone thought that Anderson was on notice when the Browns picked up “he great”(and still on the bench) Quinn. I think Beck will show up and keep his position. He has the skills. There isn’t a QB out there that would of excelled on the ‘Phins last year. Beck will be a solid starter. Henne will sit behind him for 3years and be traded away for a third round pick.
Phatfinfan
by phatfinfan on Apr 28, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
anderson was on notice
and had quinn not missed the start of camp – anderson never would have seen the field.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 28, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson wasn't even the starter.
Charlie Frye was the starter for Cleveland at the beginning of the season.
by dab415217 on Apr 29, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes i know
but had quinn gone to camp – anderson would have never played.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I have heard a few talking heads say.
That if Quinn had gotten into camp on time Anderson would have never seen the field. Anderson got his chance and made the most of it. I think he had the luxury of a good OL and some pretty good skill position players. Kudos to him for getting his shot and running with it.
by dab415217 on Apr 29, 2008 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but...
Anderson was a 6th round draft pick and Quinn a 1st rounder expected to go in the top 10. Of Beck and Henne, it’s Beck who was picked higher AND already has 1 year of experience in the league. My god, do you really think Parcells is going to start a rookie at QB? And a 2nd rounder at that? Parcells doesn’t trust rookies, and he doesn’t trust QBs. He’ll go with Beck because he’s the 2nd year player, and unless he blows, he’ll stay with him. MCown’s got a better chance than Henne this year, and probably a better chance overall than most of us give him credit for.
by icerob on Apr 29, 2008 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
icerob
Hit it on the head. Though I still think that this seems somehow different than the usual Parcells M.O.
He may either really see something in Henne or want to motivate Beck or a combination of both.
It’s a very interesting situation.
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by The Phinisher on Apr 29, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really what has beck done
that leads you to believe that BP will trust him as the QB of the future… and tipping my hand, my retort will be why did he draft Henne… I don’t think I’ve said Henne will start game 1, since I expect McCown will keep the seat warm while the line gels… The point i’m trying to make here is Henne is BP’s, hence the dolphins, QB of the future. There can only be one QB of the future and you need to have a plan on how to develop him into the future starter. And playing the lime, just like playing the lemon last year, just interferes with that plan…
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RBs
What’s the thoughts on these running backs? I hope that one of them can be another Jesse Chatman. I do not believe in Patrick Cobbs. If he had that much potential why did we bring in Gado last year?
Phatfinfan
by phatfinfan on Apr 28, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bill Parcells & John Beck & Chad Henne
Bill P. has never minded inheriting a quarterback. So long that he’s good.
Cammy’s overburdened play book was a lot to digest for a rookie. Beck worked with a sliver of a play book last year.
Parcells will give him a fair shake. He just wants a real quarterback. Whoever that might be.
Personally, I like Beck. He’s got a strong arm (I don’t see any reality in Henne’s being bigger) and he’s accurate. Beyond that Beck has a tremendously quick release and throws a tight ball.
The big knock, and it is a big one, is the dude has tiny hands. He has Culpepper hands and that means fumbles, botched snaps and loss of power while throwing in bad weather.
In defense of him, I will say that a couple of his turnovers were squarely David Martin’s fault. Seriously, that guy is a horrible blocker. I mean worthless bad.
Henne though, is a different bird. He’s a poor man’s Ben Roethlisberger, who by the way Parcells was very high on.
He seems less high strung than Beck: Less talking and explaining more stoic chin. Both are tough guys and can play with pain.
I have a great feeling about the Henne pick. I think it is great that finally the Dolphins have people picking multiple eggs instead of hoping the one they have hatches.
I think it will come down to one of them having “it.” That “it” is something the Dolphins haven’t had in years.
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by The Phinisher on Apr 28, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The tiny hands thing is wrong
Somebody posted a list of hand measurements from this years top 4 QB prospects and Beck. I can’t recall who it was or what the exact numbers were, but Beck had a bigger hand than Ryan, Henne, and Brohm. I think Flacco’s was bigger, but that’s expected from a guy 6’6. But the “tiny hand thing” was not the issue. He fumbled because he was rushing to get the ball out before he got killed.
On another note, I met Beck at a coaches clinic last season, and he’s real down to earth and humble. Even though he’s an NFL QB, he talks to you like he’s just another guy, and I respected that about him. I’d love to meet Henne as well because I’m sure he’s a great guy as well, but I don’t think Beck is as high strung as you think. Last season was a really bad situation for him, and it got the better of him. Hopefully either him or Henne looks good and we can finally put this QB Search to bed.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 28, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hands
I can’t seem to find that info again, but it was me who posted the info. And yes, Beck’s hands were bigger than Ryan, Henne, and Brohm’s. Flacco’s was an 8th of an inch bigger, if I recall correctly.
by Matty I on Apr 28, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I was really hoping I didn’t remember that wrong lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 28, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apologies
I’ll take your word for it fellas. A friend of mine pointed it out during a game, and Jaws corroborated it (I think it was Jaws) during the Pittsburgh game. I know one commentator said something about it at some point.
In any case, from then on I seemed to perceive it too. But the numbers don’t lie. If his paw has claws then so be it. I was wrong to assume.
But seriously: The game will have to slow down light years for Beck. Even when he had time he either over or under threw the ball when finally pressured. He never looked in control. That is until the end of the Cincy game. Hopefully that is the real John Beck showing up.
I also give him credit for protecting the ball in those early games. He may have been putting the ball out of everyone’s reach so that he wouldn’t turn it over.
It’s not like he had great talent getting open for him.
Speaking of the Cincy game: I love watching that little role to the side and then the midrange strike to the back of the endzone.
Basically, all I was trying to say was that I like Henne, Parmale and (less so) Hilliard as picks.
I like that the current brain trust isn’t leaving anything to doubt. Especially a quarterback who showed very little last year.
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by The Phinisher on Apr 28, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tiny hands or not...
...he did a bad job of taking care of the ball. Some could be blamed on the OL, but there was some that were all him.
by dab415217 on Apr 29, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are right
I’ll take your word for it fellas. A friend of mine pointed it out during a game, and Jaws corroborated it (I think it was Jaws) during the Pittsburgh game. I know one commentator said something about it at some point.
i do remember Jaws going into this during the pitt game…my only question is … was it small hands or small fingers… I sort of remember jaws going into how beck had to hold the ball further back and, as a result, it’s more likely to slip out??
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big hands, little fingers, etc etc...
you have to take care of the ball, no matter a QB’s size or lack thereof.
Henne is the guy that BP & Co. picked. Not just picked, but picked over selecting a player to fill other important needs. New England, Indy, the Steelers, and the Giants can all make luxury picks of taking guys who are just projects. Teams that are 1-15 have no such luxury picks as you obviously have a multitude of needs.
If Beck wins the QB contest and goes on to play like Derek Anderson did last year, then he’ll be the starter and maybe get himself a new contract. Anything less,( if he’s mediocre or so-so ), then I think he’s on the bench rather quickly and one of the other two starts.
by Natalya on Apr 29, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henne over Flacco
That is what I was hoping for….much more polished and NFL ready….Flacco is more of a wild card…could be great…could bomb…Henne is a Parcells type…good manager, tough., can make all the throws…kind of reminds me of Phil Simms…should be a interesting pre-season!
by MassFinFan65 on Apr 29, 2008 8:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Ravens will pay for drfating Flacco high
They should have sat at 26
by Patssuck456 on Apr 29, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Post
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