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Potential Targets For Rounds 2 & 3

We are now just one day away from the 2008 NFL Draft and, like many of you, I can’t wait to get this thing started.  In particular, I’m very excited to see what the Dolphins do with their 2 second rounders on Saturday.  Usually, I’d do a little mock draft and attempt to predict who the Dolphins might take.  Of course, some might say it’s easier this year to predict correctly because of the fact that we already know who Miami’s first pick will be.

However, that’s not true.  This year is as hard as ever because of whom the Dolphins have running the show (Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland) and their very tight lips.  Also complicating things is all this Jason Taylor trade talk that is going on right now.  So because of that, I’m going to take a different approach.  Instead of trying to predict who they will take, I’ll instead lay out some positions and players who I feel the Dolphins might target between rounds 2 and 3.  And we’ll even include some late first rounders just incase the Dolphins are able to trade Taylor and move back into the end if the first round (though I’d be very surprised if they were able to pull this off).  And keep in mind that the positions listed and the players listed are in no particular order.

Defensive End/Outside Linebacker

Of course, I’m referring to the position that Jason Taylor plays, which I do think the Dolphins will address at some point in this draft regardless of it they trade Taylor or not.

Quentin Groves, Auburn, 6’3, 259 – Groves is the player we keep hearing about that the Dolphins reportedly like.  He’s got very good speed and has the kind of skill set you look for to play outside linebacker in a 3-4.  With the recent issue about his heart (which has been taken care of and shouldn’t be much of an issue anymore), he could potentially slip to the 2nd round.  But it also wouldn’t be surprising to see him go in that 20-31 range in round 1.

Lawrence Jackson, USC, 6’4, 271 – Jackson is a bit bigger than Groves and is not quite as athletic.  However, he’s quite strong and plays the run very well.  He’ll probably last longer than Groves and could be a target at #32 or even #57 for the Dolphins.

Jason Jones, Eastern Michigan, 6’5, 273 – Jones is almost like a poor man’s Lawrence Jackson.  He enters the NFL a bit more raw than the players who will go before him, but could make a great heir apparent to Jason Taylor if Taylor remains in Miami for a year or two.  I don’t think he could come in and start right away, but he has a very high ceiling and could be a target at #64.

Defensive End/Defensive Tackle

This position I’m referring to here is the one that Vonnie Holliday currently plays.  Holliday could very well be in a make-or-break season in terms of his future in Miami.

Trevor Laws, Notre Dame, 6’0, 304 – Laws has both the size and strength that you look for in a defensive end for the 3-4 system.  He’s also quite athletic for a man of his size, which makes Laws an even more interesting prospect.  But if the Dolphins want him, they’d have to likely spend their #32 pick on him, as he’s unlikely to last to #57.

Dre Moore, Maryland, 6’4, 305 – Moore is a little bit more slender than Laws, but could definitely play the DE spot in a 3-4 because of how strong he is.  He actually reminds me a lot of Randy Starks in that both could drop back into coverage and play a short zone in a zone-blitz situation because of his athleticism.  He could potentially be available at #57.

Pat Sims, Auburn, 6’2, 310 – Sims is a solid athlete who has good instincts.  However, the question about him is his strength.  Can he hold up as a DE in a 3-4?  That’s the question the Dolphins would have to ask themselves before drafting him.  If they did want Sims, he would likely be available at #64.

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Tight End

This is a tricky position to try and predict because I don’t think there is a consensus as to who the top 3 or 4 tight ends are in this draft.

John Carlson, Notre Dame, 6’4, 255 – Carlson is a very good athlete who has reliable hands and is good at getting open.  He’s also one of the better blocking tight ends in this draft.  However, he’s not a big time threat.  He’ll probably go somewhere in round 2.

Martellus Bennett, Texas A&M, 6’6, 259 – From what I’ve heard and read, it seems like Bennett is the tight end in this class with the most upside.  He’s a solid blocker but also is extremely athletic great hands.  And as a former basketball player, many compare him to Antonio Gates, though he isn’t as fast.  Again, he’ll likely go in round 2 at some point.

Brad Cottam, Tennessee, 6’7, 270 – With his size, he’d make a terrific redzone threat for this Dolphins offense.  Cottam, from what I’m told, is a hard worker and might be the best blocker among all the top tight ends available.  However, his hands are not as reliable as you’d like.  That’s what worries me about him.  He’s got a lot of potential, but might be a little project at first.  Look for him to come off the board in round 3.

Wide Receiver

I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Dolphins take a receiver in rounds 2 or 3, especially if one of the top ones slip a little.

James Hardy, Indiana, 6’5, 217 – Hardy is the receiver I like the most in this draft class because of his combination of great size and solid speed (4.5 40).  He’s a great natural athlete and possesses reliable hands.  He can also leap through the roof, which makes him an ideal weapon inside the redzone.  I’d love Miami to snatch him up at #32 if he’s still there, but I wouldn’t count on it.

Jordy Nelson, Kansas, 6’2, 217 – Nelson is coming off a great senior season.  However, his production before that is rather pedestrian, leaning some people to believe if he was a one year wonder.  He does have good hands, though, and is a solid route runner.  He wouldn’t make a bad pick at #57 or even #64 if he slips a bit.

Mario Manningham, Michigan, 5’11, 181 – Speaking of slipping, Manningham’s stock seems to be falling quickly after poor workouts and some character issues that have came up.  And with the belief that Parcells and company don’t want any "thugs," some think Miami would never take him.  But if he falls to the 3rd round, he’d be a solid value pick at #64.  And you can say what you want about workouts, but you can’t deny his on-field production at Michigan.

I also think that Andre Caldwell and/or Earl Bennett could be potential targets at #64 if the Dolphins do indeed want to take a receiver in the first half of the draft.

Final Thoughts

I also wouldn’t rule out additional offensive lineman being added sometime in rounds 2 or 3, specifically if guard Chilo Rachal is still available at #57.  You might also have noticed a few positions I left off that some feel are pressing needs, quarterback and cornerback to be specific.  So I’ll address that quickly.

I don’t think the Dolphins are really interested in a quarterback in the top 3 rounds.  All this Joe Flacco and Chad Henne talk, in my view, is a smokescreen to get teams who do want QBs to trade up ahead of Miami, allowing one of the players the Dolphins want to fall to them.  It just doesn’t make sense to take a QB in round 2 or 3 whose skill set isn’t any better than that of John Beck.  Too many other needs right now.

As for cornerback, I just think that the Dolphins will hold off on spending a high pick on that position, instead focusing on the pass rush.  After all, the Giants didn’t have great corners last year when they won.  And you can find solid CB depth in rounds 4-7.  So unless you have a shot at one of the top 5 or 6 (DRC, McKelvin, Jenkins, Talib, and Cason), you might as well pass on cornerback in those early to mid rounds.

I do think that inside linebacker is a need as well, but I just don’t think any of the top prospects really fit the Bill Parcells mold.  Personally, I’d love to see the Dolphins take Beau Bell in round 3 or maybe even Curtis Lofton in round 2, but I just don’t think it will happen.  In fact, if I was able to make the pick at #64 and could have any player who will realistically be there at that spot to open day 2 of the draft, I’d take Bell.  I think he’s a star in the making and is going to really make people feel foolish for passing on him in round 2.

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You’re right 32 is wide open I think the value is gonna be on a guy who should’ve gone in the 20’s. I’d be ecstatic to get Q Groves at that spot, but I think depending on Dallas and GB, Antoine Cason will be there at 32, and I think he’s the last of the potential “number 1” corners in this draft. If neither of them is there, I would think trading back into the middle of the second round and picking up another pick wouldn’t be a bad idea, especially with teams trying to get in position for a QB should one fall. Then you can take a Justin King or Curtis Lofton further down.

At 57 I’m looking at Rachal from USC, unless we think he’ll be there at 64. We have a huge hole at LG, and now that B Albert is a OT prospect, Rachal is the best G in the draft. This would be a good spot to grab Martellus Bennett as well.

64 is where I think we can get a starting ILB, either Beau Bell like you mentioned or Tavares Gooden (my personal favorite). If we can’t land Q Groves, Xavier Adibi may be an option in this spot as well. OG Robert Felton or S DaJuan Morgan wouldn’t be bad either, depending on what we fill earlier.

Bottom line, there’s a lot to like in the middle of the draft and we should come out with 3 starters out of these 3 picks.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 25, 2008 8:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Adibi

is too small for our defense. He is more of a 4-3 WLB. I don’t know how he would do as an OLB in our 3-4. And he is way too small to slide inside.

by JMFlyer1454 on Apr 25, 2008 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d love to get Tavares Gooden in the 3rd. He isn’t as good as some of the LB’s that have come from Miami but he just seems to make tackles and be in the right place a lot of the time. He could be a good MLB in the 3-4. Plus, he’d help on special teams. Ultimately he may sneak into the 2nd though.

by tedhill on Apr 25, 2008 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

This is awesome....

It’s nice having a front office that looks like they know what they’re doing. It’s exciting that they could go anywhere with some of these picks. #32 I think they definitely look at Groves. If he’s CB could be a possibility with Justin King, Tracy Porter, or Cason. At #57 Rachal would be awesome. I think at #64 they could look at adding another DE/LB like Clif Avril if they missed out on Groves. If not they could look at OGs Roy Scheuning and Mike McGlynn. Not to mention if JT does get moved mid-draft. I’m already giddy at the thought of the Dolphins logo randomly popping up on the screen around #27.

by nriehl on Apr 25, 2008 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Another scenario!

Matty, Say JT is traded for a first rounder, or maybe a second. I am a firm believer he will not be traded. Is there anyone we would trade up to get?
Ex: Take the additional 1 and the #2 and move up? Someone such as a Keith Rivers, or a player who falls?

I guess the question, is there anyone else mid first round we are really, really interested in?

by JGray on Apr 25, 2008 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

That's a good question

And I don’t think anyone has an idea as to the answer. We’re just going to have to wait.

by Matty I on Apr 25, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Supposedly Derrick Harvey

But he will most likely be gone by pick 15 or so.

by tedhill on Apr 25, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Matty I

...that selecting a QB without much more potential than Beck seems foolish in the first two rounds. However, if Andre Woodson is there at #64, I’d be sorely tempted. I know, I know, he’s supposed to have a big wind-up, a slow, quirky release, but a year ago all the analysts were raving about him. Some called him the most important player in the country. I see something in him in the area of resolve and competetive nature that reminds me of Brees. He just doesn’t want to lose and seems to will himself to make the play.

His numbers are impressive as well:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=146711

In addition, at Kentucky he played in a pro-style offense rather than the spread that is becoming the rage in college.

He seems to me to be the only QB who might fall far enough below his value for the Fins to consider. On the other hand they may have identified someone completely off the usual radar for easy pickings later on or even as an undrafted free agent. Parcells has done it before.

I think whoever gets Woodson will get a bargain.

by Yorke Hunt on Apr 25, 2008 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice post Matty.

I agree and disagree on a couple of points:

i think I would be somewhat surprised (not totally shocked) to see them grab a QB before round 4. Nat said it best when she said (paraphrased) that we either grab one of the top 4 guys at #32, or we probably wait til later in the draft. It is not a given fact that the guys in the draft have skills sets that aren’t any better than John Beck. While I am a Beck supporter, the reality is that he might not be the guy, and we won’t know until football starts this year, so why not grab a developmental guy to be waiting in the wings?

With that said, I think we have more pressing needs than to draft a QB high.
My list of our needs, in order of importance for this season, looks like:
OG
CB
WR
OLB < – If JT leaves, this moves to #2
TE
ILB <- depth/dev
NT <- depth/dev
QB <- depth/dev

OG, CB, WR, OLB – I believe that these positions will probably be based on BPA at the time of the pick. While I don’t agree with your premise that you don’t need a true #1 corner, just because the Giants beat the Pats with a pass rush, i also don’t think you lose a lot by drafting one in the late second/early third, once the top 4 guys are gone.
I think you will see the copycat league of the pass rush this year, until someone counters it with a strong running/short passing game. This isn’t some “new” scheme. In order to compete against all schemes, you need at least one #1 CB. That is why they are too expensive to get in FA.
WR is fairly flat in talent (no real superstars), but deep in that talent level. OLB will be an easy one if we pick up an extra pick or two for JT.

DT/DE – I don’t think you will see them grabbing a guy at this position unless they think he can be developed into a NT. Pat Sims might fit that mold. But i think you can pick up 4-3 DT types all day long, so the real need is the guy who will eventually replace Ferguson.

I think you are pretty spot on with the guys you have identified as prospects at each position. I think Rachal has a real shot at going in the 2nd.

IMO

:)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 25, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm glad we're in agreement...

... about a QB. Non-core fans don’t get that Beck is a high-potential player who was forced into a terrible situation last year. It’s hard to envision how a system with Beck, McCown, and a rookie would work.

"I'm not as deep and complicated as people think." -Mike Tyson

by seamusfurr on Apr 25, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Great write up

I’ve heard that Manningham might fall into round 4 though.

by Patssuck456 on Apr 25, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

don't forget tackle's

Matty

Nice write up, but I think there is a strong possiblity that miami will draft a tackle at #32 or move up into the late first if williams or cherilus (doesn’t look like they went to Boston to see Ryan) falls…. The team needs at least one more lineman, and Carey is becoming a FA after this season. So if the triad doesn’t think too highly of Carey(who’ll likely want LT money) then they need to get ready for a replacement for him. Plus the last (cough) brain trust was convinced at the end of last season that Carey was more suited to be a guard…

So my hunch is the triad is dropping hints about a QB at 32 so other teams move up to grab Flacco, Henne, & Brohm and hope one of the ‘good’ tackles falls.

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 25, 2008 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

That's true

We could see another tackle taken, thought I’d be a bit surprised if it was at #32.

by Matty I on Apr 25, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

i’m not too sure who they like, otherwise i’d say for sure that this would be the plan…. going QB with #32 seems ‘discussed’ to much for the triad to be going that way. And since we never heard any ranking of O-linemen or tackles from them… its seems logical… plus with the deep class they could get a good one here or by moving up a little and if you are planning for winning 2 or 3 years down the road it’s best to put the line in place now…

so my best guess is cherilus here or baker with the 2nd second pick….

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 25, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

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