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The Case For Matt Ryan

First, before we get into anything here, I did want to just point out that the 2008 SB Nation Mock Draft is officially underway.  I've made the first overall pick for the Dolphins and Ryan of Turf Show Times has made the second pick for the Rams.  You can follow along with this mock draft, as well as get insight from the owner of New Era Scouting, Matt Miller, by heading over to Matt's SBN blog, Mocking The Draft.

Alright.  Now onto the business at hand.  Some people here have been clamoring for me to lay off Matt Ryan a bit.  And perhaps I've been a little hard on the kid.  So with that in mind, here are some of the things I like about the player affectionately known as "Matty Ice."

The first thing that stands out is his size.  He's got the prototypical size that people look for in a quarterback, measuring in at just under 6'5 and 228 pounds.  And he's got a frame which would allow him to even add 5 to 10 pounds of muscle.  So he's certainly not a frail quarterback.

I also like his accuracy underneath.  He's very good and hitting receivers who are coming across the field or running hooks.  I've also seen some very solid throws by Ryan to receivers running both post patterns and flag patterns.  So accuracy, from my end, isn't a huge concern.  Sure, you can bring up the interceptions, but we'll get to them a little later.

MOST IMPRESSED WITH

Below are the things I'm most impressed with when watching Matt Ryan play, something I've been doing the past couple of days to get a fair read on his ability:

Field Vision

He really does do a great job of scanning the entire field.  I saw him on numerous plays look to his 3rd and 4th options, which many times involved coming back and looking to the complete opposite side of the field from his primary read.  That's something you don't see much of out of young quarterbacks.  He's also very smart and can read defenses.  Of course, it's his decision making that gets him into trouble at times.  But we'll get to that in a few minutes.

Leadership

This has been the one thing that the draft gurus have been clamoring about when they reference Matt Ryan.  And for good reason.  Everything you read about Ryan is how he is a true leader of a team.  From his work ethic to how he handles himself under pressure, this kid well in all situations and is a guy who teammates will look to when the times are tough.  And all you need to be convinced of this is to check out this previously posted video of Matt Ryan lead the game winning drive against Virginia Tech last season.  No doubt, he is poised in pressure situations and can be a leader both on and off the field.

Dealing with the Media

I also really like how Ryan handles himself off the field in terms of dealing with the media.  He comes off as a genuinely nice kid.  And his willingness to do this ESPN chat impressed me.  I also liked a lot of the answers he gave.  Specifically, this one below when asked if he'd prefer sitting a year or competing to start right away:

I think there is no right or wrong way for a QB to come in and be successful because guys have come in and done it both ways. Guys like Manning have come in and played right away. And there are guys that have come in and waited before playing and done well. For me, if a team puts the confidence in me to draft me, I want to come in and compete and try to play. I want to play right away. I'll do whatever the teams wants.

I like that.  He wants to come in and compete to play right away.  But he knows that the team drafting him will dictate how that goes and he wouldn't have a problem sitting.  Sure, you can say he's been prepped for these questions (and I'm sure he has), but I like that he's still confident enough in his ability to say that he wants to come in and compete right away for the starting spot.

Due to the length of this, you'll have to click the "Read More" link to see the rest.

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QUIETING SOME CRITICISM

Two of the major criticisms of Matt Ryan are his high interception totals and his inconsistency.  And yes, they do worry me.

However, let's address the interceptions first.  And in doing so, it's important to point out that Dan Marino, his final season at Pitt, threw over 20 interceptions (I believe it was 23, but don't hold me to that).  I think that many of Matt's interceptions were a result of just trying to force the ball into tight spots.  He's a gunslinger, but unfortunately doesn't have the great arm strength that most gunslingers have.  However, this is a trait that can be improved with some coaching.  

Also, in that ESPN chat, Ryan was asked about the INTs he threw, to which he responded:

The thing about INTs is as a QB if you throw an INT you put your team at a disadvantage. Our philosophy this year was to be aggressive. We did what we needed to do to win games and we won 11 this year. But it's certainly something I need to work on, but I don't want to lose the aggressive approach to throw the ball in there and make a play.

Now, if Ryan is saying that the coaches wanted him to try and make plays, then his high interception total is completely understandable.

The other criticism of Ryan, like I said, is his inconsistency last season.  But I was actually impressed with how he bounced back from bad games.

For example, he struggled against NC State last year, throwing for just 142 yards, completing only 44% of his passes.  However, he followed up that game by traveling to Georgia Tech and throwing for 435 yards and a touchdown, completing 68% of his passes.  Then in their first loss of the season, to Florida State, Ryan completed just 49% of his passes and threw 3 interceptions.  The following week, he bounced back by throwing for 421 yards, 3 touchdowns, and completed 59% of his passes (though he still threw 2 picks).  In the end, his BC team lost 42-35.  But that loss can't really be blamed on Matt.

What this shows, to me, is how confident he is in his ability and how mentally tough he is.  And mental toughness is a must in this league.  Just ask Joey Harrington!

Now with all this said, I do still think that there's a "slim to none" chance that Ryan is taken by the Dolphins with the first overall pick.  But I do wish him the best, though, wherever he does end up, as he seems like a very good kid.  

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I'm speechless
Luckily my fingers still work. Ty Matty I.
You Savvy?

by Neo on Apr 1, 2008 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

~feint~
Matty, I found that to be a very good piece on Matt "Ice".

I would also like to add regarding the Ints, that some of those can be attributed to having less than stellar WRs. Without the separation a good Wr can get, you will end up having to force the ball more than normal.

And this is the part you touched on that makes me REALLY like this kid:

~He really does do a great job of scanning the entire field.  I saw him on numerous plays look to his 3rd and 4th options, which many times involved coming back and looking to the complete opposite side of the field from his primary read.~

You can see in some of his videos on youtube.com. The kid sees the entire field. You get open, he'll get the ball to you.

The Ints really don't bother me when you look at the fact that he threw 654 passes.

Welcome to the darkside, Matty. :)

I still don't think the Dolphins will draft him, even though I'd love it if they did.

by dab415217 on Apr 1, 2008 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Keep in mind that...
in the NFL, against pro-caliber DB's, WR's do not get nearly the separation they oftentimes get in college. So unless you have Randy Moss running downfield against, say, the '07 dolphins secondary, you aren't going to find people wide open like that either.

by Natalya on Apr 1, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would suggest you...
...spend some time running down Matt Ryan videos on youtube.com. You will see him throw quite a few passes with his WR covered, but he was able to stick the ball into a spot where only the WR could catch it.

While in general I agree with you, the talent level in the pros does not allow you to design defenses to just shutdown one person. And look what one great WR can do for a team, ala Randy Moss. He gets aon team with good WRs its going to make his job much easier.
And I'm not talking about WRs running wide open. All you need is a yard or two separation.

by dab415217 on Apr 1, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Date
Can't wait for that guy who always complains about you hating Matt Ryan to note that this post comes on April 1st.

by Offer Doll on Apr 1, 2008 6:55 AM EDT reply actions  

HA, HA, HA, HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that there's funny. I don't care WHO you are! Good one Offer Doll!

by davehowardcustom on Apr 1, 2008 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Very nice
and I'm sure Matt Ryan is as nice and clean living as you say. The thing I have a problem with is being rated high enough to even be considered as a #1 pick. Brohm is just as good and is more NFL "ready" and no one is saying he is a #1 type QB. In Fact had Brohm come out last year you all know that he would have been fighting Russell for the #1 slot with Brady Quinn a distant 3rd. So why the change of heart? This years wonder boy? I don't think so and if he is picked by a bad team and is thrown into the fire he will crash and burn. Matt Ryan can be a good QB in a WC type offense IF he is handled right. BUT no. 1, ain't no way!  

by gafinfan on Apr 1, 2008 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Why did
Brian Brohms stock fall so far in this draft? Did he have a bad year? (I dont watch college ball) I remember hearing how great he was last off season and very little about him this off season. Maybe we get him with # 32.

by Finskikass on Apr 1, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The word from the scouts is that Ryan is
the most NFL ready QB in this draft.

That being said, I remember people drooling over Brohm last year, and have found at least one draft board that has Brohm rated higher than Ryan.

At the end of the day, I think that what is being over looked is that this is actually a pretty good crop of QBs, but there is no real clear superstar (it might be my imagination, but I think this is becoming the norm).  But of the guys available, several have the potential to be real solid NFL guys.

That does make the prospect of drafting Ryan #1 a little less appealing, and I tend to agree that it is a long shot for it to happen.  I do think the Fins will take a QB later in the draft to start developing.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 1, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely right
In that respect, Ryan is a media product, just like Brady Quinn was last year: fans like him, the media makes him a god, then there's a "last minute" fall in their stock because of a "bad workout".

Anyhow, I disagree about the coachability of "gunslingeriness". I mean, timid QBs like Joey Harrington might obey the coaches to the degree that he will not even throw the ball 10 yards downfield, but any self-respecting QB with an eye on greatness will play the game his own way. You know, try to make plays. It's just that some QBs are more naturally cautious or practical, and others lose sight of reality in the heat of the moment and take bad risks. Ryan is one of the latter and he definitely hasn't got anything on Brohm.

by icerob on Apr 1, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys are very convincing.
Now Im on the Brian Brohm band wagon. I would like to see us take Jake Long with the #1 (providing we cant trade down) because I would like to see the R & R express cut loose this season and to give our QB (Whoever that may be) time to show what he can do.  We still have JT for another year,two, or three so that gives us time to find another DE/LB in future drafts or FA. Im so sick of seeing these hum drum offenses of recent past since Dan retired I want to see 30+ points on the board again and QBs with 300+ yds a game.  then with our 32nd pick get Brohm (if hes still there) in case Beck does end up sucking out.

by Finskikass on Apr 1, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Props there fella!!!!!!
I'm just proud of you dog.  That's really all I can say right now.  I guess I can start checking your website out a little more often.  I must admit, I was turned "off" by the way you were so "against" the kid that I actually took u off of my favorite websites.  as a matter of fact, i actually had u as my "homepage" on my computer and took u off of it when i saw how antiRyan you were....hmmm?  although, i have rotoworld as my homepage now...i now gots my respect back some for ya....good job, dude!

by mred on Apr 1, 2008 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

BTW, I forgot to say, "Nice post Matty"
....so Nice post Matty!

I agree with your overall assessment.  I like the kid.  I just don't think he is gonna be a #1, and unless we are gonna play him right away, I don't think he should be #1.  The guy we take at #1 needs to contribute right away.  I think that is the biggest thing going against Ryan getting picked up by the Fins.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 1, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think that's it.
Technically, he posted it on Mar. 31st.

What I REALLY think happened is that Matty found out that Ryan's nickname is Matty Ice.

(Matty I - Matty Ice.... they are related!)

;)

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 1, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

semi-ignorant question...
ok, I've seen all the back and forth about Ryan. My question is why? Is he the next Joe Namath? The next   Dan Marino? He's good but this team needs to be TOTALLY rebuilt, we are looking at a three to four year project right? Don't we need to build the core of our team now, O and D lines, backs etc?
Please someone let me in on why so much fire for picking Ryan #1.
Thanks guys, I do love the discussions on this site.

by phranchise on Apr 1, 2008 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Its pretty much what Matty wrote...
...in the blog at the top of this discussion. Similar to the same reasons that the Colts went with Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf. Leaf was clearly the better physical talent. The intangibles led them to take Manning instead.

For myself, I see the perfect make-up of an NFL QB in this kid. He has the physical talents. None of his physical talents will jump off the screen at you, i.e. JaMarcus Russell, Michael Vick, or a Vince Young, or even a guy in this draft, i.e. Joe Flacco.  people are generally wowed by the physical gifts. This guy doesn't have any GREAT physical gifts. Everything else though, IMO, is just what you want in a QB.

by dab415217 on Apr 1, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a major problem I have...
...though if the Dolphins were to ever take Ryan #1 overall (though it isn't going to happen):

If Matt Ryan was in last year's draft class, he would be the 3rd QB on the board, meaning he would have likely been drafted in the 2nd round (or in the final 5 to 8 picks of round 1).  He's not as physically gifted as Russell or Quinn.  So how could any team take Ryan in the top 5 in 2008 when, if he was in the 2007 draft class, he would be a very late 1st or early 2nd rounder?

by Matty I on Apr 1, 2008 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Matty...
it goes back to what I said a few days ago about certain positions having inflated value.

Not just in comparing Ryan to last year's QB's but go back a few years and compare him to the Big Ben-Manning-Rivers draft - he'd have been rated 4th behind all of those guys.

No matter how great a player is as, say a Guard, they will never be picked in the top 5. Conversely, a QB's value gets driven way behind it's true worth because the position is simply hard to fill - so a QB who is the 15th best player in the draft can easily end up in the top 5.

This draft class simply isn't as good in many ways, as last year's was but players still have to be picked in the top 10, etc - even if they aren't top 10 talent. Which is how I view Ryan - a non top 10 talent who will gets picked in the top 10 because of the the fact that the QB class of '08 is not very strong coming out.

by Natalya on Apr 1, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, i think the QB class is decent.
There is just no rock star.

But there are several very good prospects that can likely end up being solid starters.  It is a little different from a year in which you have 1 or 2 REALLY good guys, and then a bunch of career backups.

You still have Brohm, who some people still rate higher than Ryan.  And then guys like Woodson and Flacco who can turn out to be very good, with the right coaching.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 1, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I said...
...Peyton Manning was not as physically gifted as Ryan Leaf. Yet the Colts saw fit to go with Manning.

We all talk about workout warriors getting placed to high above their actual production. People fall in love with things they can measure. I don't.

IMO, Ryan will end up being better than both Russell or Quinn.

by dab415217 on Apr 1, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah
That is my feeling too, I mean I see that he is good, and also I understand that we now have the #1 pick and might not (hopefully, I pray) have it again, but I don't hear people really saying he's the next Payton Manning. Also, it seems that a lot of great quarterbacks weren't top draft picks anyways...

by phranchise on Apr 1, 2008 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Good write up Matty
I dont mind Ryan but I would much rather have one of the Longs.
Matt Ryan is just vastly overhyped I'm not saying he'll bust its just that he's not worth the no.1 overall pick.

by Patssuck456 on Apr 2, 2008 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

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