Calvin Pace Monday Update

by Matty I on Mar 3, 2008 2:03 PM EST in News Comment 20 comments

Here's the latest on "Calvin Pace Watch 2008," courtesy of Armando Salguero:

He is still searching, hoping, waiting for that magic $20 million guaranteed money figure from either the Jets or Dolphins and apparently NEITHER team is there yet...Because the money isn't quite where Pace hoped yet, his agent is trying to play one team against the other and including the possibility of adding another team in the mix: The Cincinnati Bengals. But don't worry about the Bengals because they don't traditionally overpay.

Pace is also said to be mulling lifestyle issues. He loved South Florida's weather and was impressed when he met Bill Parcells. He's a Detroit native but lives in Atlanta so he also likes the idea of being closer to home.

Man, how much longer does this have to be dragged out? After Lance Briggs signed for just $6 million per year and just $12 million in guaranteed money over those 6 years, Calvin needs to realize that no team is going to offer him that $20 million in guarantees that he's looking for.

Regardless, we continue to wait...

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he's ganna cry over $1M in guaruntees, honestly.. I dont want him on our team. He clearly only cares about the $

by YatilGinnJr on Mar 3, 2008 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

For $20M,

we could sign 3 or 4 solid role players for our team. I was sick to my stomach when Cam signed Porter for $20M guaranteed. It's disgusting. Let Pace go. Offer him what Briggs got and get done with it. If he wants it, fine. For one or two good seasons, he still not worth $20M guaranteed. That's my opinion. I'm not an expert but that's my opinion. I won't be upset should he sign elsewhere.

by Cutie on Mar 3, 2008 2:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Screw Him!

Too young to remember 72...not old enough to forget about ever other year since!

by JGray on Mar 3, 2008 2:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I can understand...

if it takes him longer to decide for reasons like lifestyle, closeness to home, etc... but if he is waiting for more $$$, then he is not worth signing. No one that has only had one good year is worth HUGE dollars!!

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by JDPhinFan on Mar 3, 2008 2:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

It is not a trivial decision...

so I can appreciate him wanting to take his time. Living in NY/NJ vs. Miami makes for a very different reality and day to day situation.

The thing though, as we saw with Briggs, is that while CB's and OL have gotten bundles in FA, LB'ers are not making out nearly so well.

And as for caring only about money, let's be real - that is by and large what the league is about. People wanted Asante Samuel here didn't they? Would they have complained if he'd signed with us, since we would obviously have to have offered more than the pats?

by Natalya on Mar 3, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

How can you blame him?

He is playing the business side of the game. how often do we hear both the team and the player remind us that the NFL is a business when the have to make a ruthless decision.

I think his agent is doing a good job and he will probably play it out for another day or so and then tale the best offer available.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 3, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Pace

This isn't business. This is a guy milking downtrodden organizations for every last penny. These are the guys we do not want. Every other FA has said yes to the first offer and wanted to be a part of the Miami Dolphins. This guy does not and will not care about the Dolphins. Let me guess, next up he might want to go check out Atlanta? Maybe Raiders?

Too young to remember 72...not old enough to forget about ever other year since!

by JGray on Mar 3, 2008 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

bullshit.

downtrodden organizations??? are you kidding me?

NONE of these guys "care about the Dolphins"! They ALL signed for their own reasons... FIRST and FOREMOST being MONEY.

"This isn't a business".... really..?

At the end of the day, a "downtrodden" or otherwise organization is not obligated to sign him or any other FA. It is a bidding war, and if you are in demand, you play it up and get the best deal possible.

How can you even make statements like that with a straight face? Are you kidding?

by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 3, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Pace

It was written earlier that Pace may want to see about Taylor staying or going. My problem is if Taylor is staying, Pace is on the bench. Porter got a bundle last year to come here. What would we do with him? If Pace comes, Taylor should be moved.

Matt

by Matt27 on Mar 3, 2008 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

NFL

might be a business... but guys resstructure contracts to help the team sign new guys... guys take less money to go to contenders. It happens all the time.

All I gotta say to Pace is.... look how they treat their veterans over there. See Kendall, Pete. Coles, Lavernious. Vilma, Jonathan.

by YatilGinnJr on Mar 3, 2008 2:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Agree, Agree, Agree

I don't want people playing on this team that want more money, rather than taking a paycut to make the team better. I want people who are passionate about FOOTBALL, not MONEY. Apparently we both offered him around the same amount of money, so he shouldn't try to milk these franchises... I really hope he is just trying to decide between where he wants to live, etc... Business doesn't have to be cut-throat.

I am sure lots of people will bring up us releasing Zach, and maybe JT, but we do that in a respectable manner. We don't low ball them like the Jets have done with their players. We cut the ties in the easiest ways for both sides. Plus, Zach wasn't going to fit in this system, so he understood!

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by JDPhinFan on Mar 3, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

most of them

who take less money to get on the teams that are contenders are the aging vets who want one last shot at a ring. take zach for example, im sure the saints probably offered him more money, but dallas has a better title shot.

you dont hear to often a player in his mid 20s taking a pay cut. they try and make money early for security and win the championships late. you really cant fault the men for trying to make as much money as they can.

if you got a contract offer from 2 jobs doing the same thing which one would you take(more money or less money)? i know that is cheesy way of looking at it but its the same thing.

by jwillis9 on Mar 3, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It is a legit comparison

in my opinion.

Plus don't forget, most of these ball players careers are very short when you think of them compared to most people's careers. For instance, most of us will work in our careers for 30+ years. Being a football player is on average not even 1/2 that long.

You might as well make the most you can because pretty soon, your football playing days will be over...be it by injury, age, or some other factor.

by Natalya on Mar 3, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

For 22 million Gauranteed?`

No thanks... he is too unproven for me jwillis9

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by JDPhinFan on Mar 3, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

never implied

that we should pay him that much.. what i was getting at is all he is doing is trying to get a better contract for himself. and obviously it worked getting 22mil guarnteed out of the jetsies.

my whole argument was that i couldnt understand why everone was getting mad at this guy for trying to get more money. thats the nfl and for that fact human nature. im sure bp had a contract that he wasnt gonna budge with and that was that.

by jwillis9 on Mar 3, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Just say no to Pace

I say we pass on Pace. Let's look to spend our money in other areas. We already have an over-paid backer, Joey Porter, on our team. I would rather spend the money on bringing in Bryant Johnson. Imagine Ginn, Wilford, Johnson and Hagan. That would be a nice young core of receivers. Also not signing Pace leaves us even more options with the #1 pick. If we can add a tackle in free agency like a Maurice Williams we would then be able to select either Chris Long or Vernon Gholston. The Pace signing would come back to haunt us.

by NJPhinFan13 on Mar 3, 2008 3:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Oh please

If we only accept guys that don't care about money, that's a pretty small talent pool - and I would have to question their intelligence. Just because he wants to be compensated well doesn't mean he's greedy. Teams are unsentimental about who they cut (see: Zach Thomas), so why should players take less than market value? This is called capitalism, folks!

by New York Fins Fan on Mar 3, 2008 3:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

MONEY...

ok guys lets wake up and really be realistic for a moment...

pace is what 26/27 somewhere in there right. he is a FA and has 2 teams that want him and he wants to take his time with the decision. i personally have to problem with that. its not like we are playing a game tomorrow and need him on the roster right now. i mean seriously whats the hurry the draft isnt for like 2 months.

and for the money aspect of all this.. can you really blame the guy for getting the most of this opprotunity? what if he blows his knee out this season and "settled" for a contract with a low guarntee? this is a business and he should get what he can out of it.

lets face it these guys dont play for free, nor would i if i were them. most are in the league for like 5 years so get the most out of it you can. we love our team and thats why we are fans, but these players have no allegance to teams and are playing the game to GET PAID. thats the way it is and always will be. the man is trying to get the best deal and it is what it is.

by jwillis9 on Mar 3, 2008 3:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't Matter

whether they get Pace or not, I believe defense will win out the #1 pick, if it's kept.

It is my opinion that "defense" wins championships (ala Giants, Bears, Dolphins, etc.). The offense will be addressed, but the #1 pick goes defense (Chris Long). I see Chris developing into that position personified by A.J. Duhe and Jason Taylor. Besides, the money that will be spilled all over the first pick, justifies it on a defensive lineman. Just look at the last couple of years (Jason included).

With the aura surrounding Pace, it seems he's fast becomming a high-strung, vain, temperamental person -- aka prima donna. The difference in living in Miami or New Jersey is about as clear cut as it can get. And the money?, pa-leez. He's no Jason or Zach, much less a Dan Marino of defense. There's a bunch of other linebackers out there that could be had for less and have more of a resume.

I'm tired of the guy already....................until he signs with the Dolpnins ;-)

by Alpha6 on Mar 3, 2008 3:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs