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Thoughts on the past weekend

Wow.  What a ridiculous weekend.  I thought Miami would be busy, not nearly as busy as they have been.  So, first thing first, for those who may have been busy this weekend, head over to our free agency quick guide and see who the Dolphins have officially signed and traded for.

Also, as far as "Calvin Pace Watch 2008" goes, the latest comes from the NY Daily News.  They are reporting that Pace concluded his visit with the Jets and is now back home in Atlanta thinking over his decision.  The paper also says that he may be considering a trip to the Bengals.  Meanwhile, the Arizona Republic reports that the Dolphins offered Pace a deal "that includes $20 million in guarantees."  If this is the case, how much could the Jets have possibly offered?  Or, could it be that Pace was offered less by the Jets than in Miami, but came away more impressed with his visit to NY?  I don't know.  There are a lot of theories circulating, but for now, I'll just take the "wait and see" approach.

Also on Sunday, incase you missed it, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that Josh McCown will "definitely" be the Dolphins' #2 quarterback entering next season and that John Beck will be competing with a rookie.  Now, this angered some people, claiming that a 2 year, $6.25 million deal for a backup was too much.  I'd disagree for the reasons that some pointed out in the "diaries" section.  That's simply the going rate nowadays for backup quarterbacks with starting experience.  Cleo Lemon and Billy Volek are both making more annually than McCown is.  So this deal with Josh doesn't bother me.

However, what might the implications be of Mort reporting this?  It's an interesting question when you consider Mortensen's closeness to Bill Parcells.  If you ask me, I think this is just Bill's way of getting word out that the Dolphins could still potentially draft Matt Ryan.  And Mortensen is just acting as the outlet of this smokescreen, trying to bait Atlanta into trading up to the #1 pick.  Personally, this is also what I'm hoping.  I say this because I still believe in Beck and I really feel he's going to open up eyes this season as Miami's starter.  But rather than preach about why I think this, I'll just lay back and wait...and then say "I told you so" when John impresses everyone in 2008.  So there!

The other big story coming out on Sunday was this Jason Taylor saga.  First, he and the Dolphins had agreed to part ways, according to Jason Cole.  Then, Bill Parcells informs Mortensen that the only way Taylor isn't in Miami in 2008 is if he retires.  Bill is also quoted as saying that Cole's report is an example of "journalistic irresponsibility."  And, actually, that is the quote that caught my attention.  Why?  I'm wondering if Bill calls Cole's report irresponsible because it's leaking out information that hurts Miami and takes away a competitive advantage.  Could it be that Bill is pissed this leaked because now, since teams know that Jason and the Dolphins already have agreed to split, the Dolphins won't be able to get as much in a trade for Taylor?  Or could it be he's pissed because one of the reasons Calvin Pace was considering Miami was to be Taylor's teammate?  I don't know, really.  I'm just throwing these ideas out there.  Maybe Bill is just angry because he fully intends to have Jason around in 2008 and he doesn't want Taylor to think he's unwanted.  Regardless, these next 2 months leading up to the draft will be quite telling in terms of Taylor's future in Miami.

Moving along, here are just a few other quick thoughts on the events of this past weekend:

-It's clear that this new regime places an emphasis on special teams.  Many of their signings this past weekend show that.  

-Anyone that thinks they know have the Dolphins figured out in terms of what they might do at #1 in April's draft is crazy.  If anything, the events of this past weekend made the situation even cloudier.  I don't even think the Dolphins know what they want to do.  Sure, they'd still like to trade down, but I don't think that's a secret.  If they can't though, you have to figure Jake Long is back in the mix and added to a list of candidates the include Matt Ryan, Chris Long, and even Vernon Gholston (especialyl if Miami doesn't sign Pace).

-I do think that this weekend is a clear sign that the Dolphins would like to run a 3-4 defense in 2008.  Jason Ferguson will be the starting NT with Randy Starks playing as a DE.  But the great thing about Starks is that he'd also be able to play NT if needed.  But with that said, the Dolphins need to figure out who can play the other ILB spot next to Channing Crowder.  Reggie Torbor, at 6'2, 250, has the size and athleticism this regime likes.  As does Charlie Anderson (6'4, 245).  But neither has ever played the position before, so nobody knows how effective either might be at that spot.

-Ernest Wilford is going to be a very effective player for the Dolphins.  He might not be flashy, but a couple of Jaguar fans have told me that we are going to be pleasantly surprised by Wilford's play.  He's exactly what a guy like John Beck needs.  He's big, physical, and will make a living going over the middle and moving the chains.  He also has very reliable hands, unlike some current Dolphins (and some recently departed ones as well) And at 6'4 with a 40 inch vertical leap, he'll be an ideal redzone target.

So the next order of business?  Besides awaiting Pace's decision, the Dolphins still need to address their secondary and their offensive line, as well as the aforementioned ILB void that needs to be filled.  

Thoughts on any and all of this below...

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Pace Could Be The Big Key....
If Pace signs, JT becomes expendable with Porter on the other side. With Starks and Ferguson in the fold, it seems that Dorsey is not coming to Miami. I would definitely prefer Jake Long at this point. I too think Beck can be the guy, and Long would be a giant help at LT with Carey shifting back to RT. Look at what Joe Thomas did for Cleveland and Derek Anderson last year.

At this point the best way to move forward would be sign Pace. Get a couple picks for JT and get some nice pieces in the draft. I'm thinking #1 Jake Long and then with the two (possibly three) 2nd rounders, target the best mix of CB/TE/OG.

by nicholasriehl on Mar 3, 2008 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

RE:
For John Beck to be successful next year, he needs reliable receivers to catch the ball, good offensive line and a good running game.  As of right now we really only have Ginn and Wilford as quality receivers and Ginn is still learning.  Hagan isn't to bad, but drops a lot of balls.  That's why I think it would be inmportant to get Bryant Johnson in here ASAP.  Imagine Ginn and Johnson on the outside and Wilford in the slot, could be fun to watch.  Is there any word on whether we have any interest in Johnson at all?

I really think after this weekend we draft LT - Jake Long.  The only problem as of now is there is still a void at LG and OL depth.  I'm thinking of Max Starks, Jacob Bell and Jake Scott.  All realitively young and good offensive lineman.

by JohnDolphin73 on Mar 3, 2008 1:13 AM EST reply actions  

Here's what i dont get...
Why does a Pace signing equal JT leaving?

Why cant Porter slide inside? Someone asked me this and I didnt have an answer. He's bigger and a better tackler than Crowder... We can still blitz Porter from there, and Pace and Porter can both equally well drop into coverage or blitz...

Im imagining the Philly Jim Johnson style front 7 with very active LBs. Starks on the end seems to further support this idea. Big bodies up front and fast, active LBs... isnt that Parcells style? Think back to the Giants. I dont see why they wouldnt do this. Why cant you line up JT and Pace on the outside and Porter and Crowder inside? Am I missing something? Guys arent playing in their optimal spots, no, but look what the Pats have done the last few years similarly using LBs in their less than optimal spots and mixing up the playbook.

The one thing that bothers me is that rumored guaranteed 20 mill from NYJ. No chance we match that, right? How much guaranteed money can we put into the LB corps?

by alskor on Mar 3, 2008 1:32 AM EST reply actions  

Still a few years off...
It would be nice in theory to hold on to JT even if we do get Pace, but the state of the QB, OL, and DB situations still has us a couple years away. If we were playing for the Super Bowl this year...different story. But in a couple years JT will have zero value as a 35 year old. Plus it's not fair to him to keep playing for someone continually rebuilding. It seems best for both sides to make a trade in the next few weeks. If we can get a 2nd and 3rd or 2nd and 4th I think we have to jump on it.

by nicholasriehl on Mar 3, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The Jt saga
In the end when the smoke clears, I still think JT is going to get traded. So what if Tuna went out and publicly stated that the fins would not trade him. I think Parcells knows exactly what he's doing.

 I just don't see JT in our future plans if you take at this first week of free agency. We are trying to get younger, common sense tells you that he will be traded and we will get some quality picks for us to grab some new talent in here. One step at a time we will have the building blocks for a successful time, as fans all you can do is wait and have some patience, let the young talent develop...

On the draft, I still take Jake Long,we need that kind of player on our OL. Plus pick a good young cb, and safety perhaps and we can build a solid foundation.

by pingusthegreat on Mar 3, 2008 1:36 AM EST reply actions  

Did Parcells Say That Beck Will Compete...
...with a rookie, or did he say just another QB? I never saw anything in print that he said that. The reason I ask is that every QB that is said to be going in the 2nd or 3rd rounds are projects and not expected to start. Plus, there will at least a couple of veteran QB, that have started quite a bit in this league, that will become available in the coming months, that he could be referring to.

by dab415217 on Mar 3, 2008 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

true
it could be another veteran QB Beck competes with, though I personally feel thats unlikely.

by Matty I on Mar 3, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt it is a veteran...
as well.

I mean if someone can show me these great, FA, cheap, veteran QB's just waiting to get picked up by us I'll believe it.

Otherwise,, I think we pick a QB in the first 3 rounds.

by Natalya on Mar 3, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Then I Would Ask..
...which of the QB's coming out that you think are ready to compete for a starting position? To me, the only obvious answer is Matt Ryan. Flacco is clearly not ready. None of the other QB's coming out look to be ready either. That is why I tend to lean to the thought that its Matt Ryan or a as yet unreleased veteran QB.

by dab415217 on Mar 3, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

No QBs coming out are ready...
...which is why I think this report by Mort tells us two things:
  1. Miami trying to get Atlanta to think they will take Matt Ryan because he is "ready" to compete to start
  2. They like John Beck and want him to start in 2008 (but he'll have to earn it)

by Matty I on Mar 3, 2008 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

As I said in the other post...
I've read a variety of quality articles and sources online who all state that they consider Cole (the original story writer) as being highly regarded and with integrity.

My theory is that word got out that a trade was in the works. Cole heard of it and obviously reported it. Parcells certainly can't be happy that what he wanted kept under wraps was made public. Then again, maybe it is a way to up the price for JT by making it seem that he's unavailable. Remember, you have no leverage as a GM when you openly say a guy on your team is going to be traded.

I still have a hard time imagining Parcells being cool with his team captain and veteran leader, moonlighting on TV, etc.

I for one, don't consider the JT story closed by any means. A lot can and may still happen with it.

by Natalya on Mar 3, 2008 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Matty...
Do you have a time frame for the updated website?
~~ FINGUY23 ~~

by JDPhinFan on Mar 3, 2008 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

I wish I did
...but things are a little backed up.

If you want to see what it will look like, though, head over to Athletics Nation.  They've gone through the update already but the design team is working on a few tweaks here and there.

by Matty I on Mar 3, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks
I am excited because this is my favorite Dolphins site!!  I can't wait for the update!!
~~ FINGUY23 ~~

by JDPhinFan on Mar 3, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well thanks!
The updates are going to be really impressive.  And the best one will be the auto-refreshing comments that instantly update when it's posted.  It'll make the game threads much easier to follow and more fun to participate in!

by Matty I on Mar 3, 2008 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

QB
The statement the John Beck will compete with a rookie is telling quite alot. There are two QBs in this draft that I view as being equal to or better than John Beck and Brady Quinn were last year... Matt Ryan and Brian Brohm.  (Both have durability questions.) And there are other QBs in later rounds.  I think, after the negative reaction from the 2008 draft-day party for passing on Brady Quinn, I see the team taking Matt Ryan.  And have he and John Beck slugg it out for the starting QB spot.

One position of a few I do not see the team addressing through free agency (thus far) is OT.  I'd like to see the team take Gosder Cherlius (Boston College) or Sam Baker (USC) early in the 2nd round.  I believe either could be ready week-1 in September and could free-up Vernon Carey to be moved back to the right-side OT position which he is dominate at.

by NumberOneFan on Mar 3, 2008 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

I find it a little
hard to fathom that another team really thinks we are going to take Ryan.

Just because if you look at last year's top guy, Russell, he got $30M+ in guaranteed money.

Are teams really going to think that the fins will give a kid $30M+, then have him compete and possibly lose out to a guy (beck) who only has $3-4M guaranteed total?

by Natalya on Mar 3, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft
If we draft a Tackle this year it won't be in the first round. I think NumberOneFan is correct. Parcells will look at the 2nd and 3rd round to find a LT there.
Matt

by Matt27 on Mar 3, 2008 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

free agent tracker
http://www.sportingnews.com/freeagents/

I saw PFT put up a post about this site. Its nicely done... except I'm a little confused as to why Smiley didnt make this list. For the amount of money we gave him, he damn well should be. I think he was a better signing than Wilford, and he's up there.

by YatilGinnJr on Mar 3, 2008 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

Y. Bell resigned
According to PFT, it is a 1 year $1.4 million contract
~~ FINGUY23 ~~

by JDPhinFan on Mar 3, 2008 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

Two Free Agent questions.....
1) What is wrong with Antwan Odom?
Don't know a ton about him, but he is available, young, and certainly has the size to play OLB in a 3-4.  As an end, he had 8 sacks last year.
2) How about Jake Scott?  
He was an OG on a pretty good line, he is young, and it doesn't look like it would take a ton of money to get him.  Besides, a name like that belongs on the Dolphins!  :)

by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 3, 2008 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

And what's going on with Jacob Bell?
We need another OG... and there are still a couple of decent guys out there.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 3, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

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