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Alright, I love Jason Taylor but I think that the team should strongly consider trading him.  Since we are in rebuilding mode and DE's are considered a prized position that commands a very high salary right now we could get 1st round and 3rd round picks for him.  He is 33 and his career can only go downhill from here.  He also gets paid about $7,750,000 and he counts as $9,464,625 against the cap.  Signed through 2009 there are teams out there who would salivate over the idea of getting Taylor.  Would it be worth it for the Dolphins to consider a trade with say Cincinnati with Taylor for Chad Johnson and a first round pick?  The Bengals need defensive help and we need offensive help.

First thing's first.  You ask if it would be "worth it" for the Dolphins to consider a trade like this.  At first thought, I'd say it definitely would be.  Most fans would love the idea of trading Taylor for a 1st round pick.  So getting Cincy's first rounder AND Chad Johnson would be an absolute steal if you ask me.  I love JT just as much as the next fan, but this would go a long way towards two things the Dolphins have to do.  They would be getting younger, acquiring an additional first round pick.  They would also get more dangerous offensively by acquiring "Ocho Cinco."

However, I wouldn't see any way whatsoever that the Bengals would offer a deal like this.  We know already that the Bengals don't even really want to trade Johnson, despite his best efforts basically campaigning for a trade during Super Bowl week.  So why in the world would they be willing to surrender Johnson AND their first round pick to get Taylor?  Sure, Taylor addresses a need they have, especially considering their best pass-rusher, Justin Smith, is a free agent.  But they would be giving up too much for Taylor.  Remember, we look at Taylor differently than most because we're fans at heart.  Fact of the matter is, however, that Taylor is an absolute star on the downside of his career.  Johnson, meanwhile, is still in his prime.  I wouldn't be absolutely shocked if a Taylor for Johnson swap was considered.  But the picks involved certainly wouldn't be 1st rounders.

Hey just a Dolphin fan with a question to ask you. Which of the rumored trades do you think is best?
A) Roy Williams and 1st pick(15) for Dolphins 1st pick
B) Chad Johnson and 1st pick(9) for Dolphins 1st pick
C) Marion Barber and 2 1st picks(22 & 28) for Dolphins 1st pick

Good question.  Again, much of this is pure speculation and rumor.  But it's fun to debate.

Of those three options, I'd definitely say I'd prefer the deal for Roy Williams.  In my opinion, Williams is just as talented as Chad Johnson.  And he's only 26 years old.  Oh, and he's in no way a distraction or disruption of team chemistry, like Chad Johnson might be.  

And as far as the draft implications of that trade, the Dolphins would have a choice of talented players who would fill a need at the #15 spot.  Ryan Clady and Jeff Otah could be available to solidify the OT spot.  Kenny Phillips, Mike Jenkins and Aqib Talib could be available to help out the secondary.  And Calais Campbell and Phillip Merling could be around to help solidify the defensive line.

If I had to rank the other 2 deals, I'd prefer the Chad Johnson deal over the Marion Barber one.  I'm not too high on the idea of trading down out of the top 15 picks and the WR position is a much bigger need for the Dolphins than the RB position.

Well that's all for now.  Feel free to send your e-mails to phinsider@gmail.com.

And also be sure to scroll down right below this post and check out the latest Dolphin-related rumor that is beginning to make rounds about Keyshawn Johnson.

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Matty you dropped the ball
~Signed through 2009 there are teams out there who would salivate over the idea of getting Taylor.~

There's the answer to your own question. why would the salivate. the guy is hugely talented, and he's likely to be effective for years to come.
He's certainly a guy to build the defense around as he finishes up his career in Miami. Just look to the NYG and their young DL built around Strahan. A mentor/role model of the highest character. The fact that other teams would salivate over the idea of getting Taylor, tells you that he still has gas in the tank and any offer short of JT saying get me out of here should be ignored.

by W NY Fins Fan on Feb 6, 2008 12:18 AM EST reply actions  

that was the e-mailer who said...
...teams would salivate over the idea.

I actually disagree...to an extent.  Yes, teams would salivate.  But I think we are overvaluing him in terms of what he could bring back in a trade.

by Matty I on Feb 6, 2008 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry
yup, i knew/know that was the emailer. what I was trying to do is say what you should have said to the emailer's highlighted line....

by W NY Fins Fan on Feb 6, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

JT
What's the highest 1st rounder we could get for Taylor?

by gophish on Feb 6, 2008 1:26 AM EST reply actions  

You Won't...
...get a 1st round pick for Jason Taylor.

by dab415217 on Feb 6, 2008 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly
since you won't get equal value for JT there is no sense in trading him. Use him as the anchor and mentor to a new young line.

by W NY Fins Fan on Feb 6, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

People Are Overvaluing JT...
...in a big way. I love JT and think he is a very good player at this point in his career. However, he is going to be 34 when the season starts. At best, he has 2-3 productive years left. That is PRODUCTIVE, not All-Pro. Teams are not going to drop 1st picks on another team's 34 players, no matter who the player is. If we're lucky we're looking at a  2nd or 3rd round pick for him. I'd even say that a 2nd round pick is out of the question.

I'd rather see JT finish his career in Miami than get a 3rd round pick for him.

by dab415217 on Feb 6, 2008 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

actually
I think you are underestimating his long term production, but otherwise I agree.

by W NY Fins Fan on Feb 6, 2008 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

At what point does a team cease to be our team?
If we get rid of EVERYONE who is anybody on this team (we are already close) then at some point we have a whole bunch of strangers with 'phin uniforms on.

I for one cherish vets that play for the team for years and do NOT want to see them go, this includes JT, and Zach.

Seriously, if you take a bunch of college kids, along with some players from other teams and throw dolphin uniforms on them, it doesn't feel the same.  But that is precisely where we are headed for.  Would any of us route for the patriots if they all of a sudden moved to miami next year?  

We need to keep SOME players for goodness sake, we've already lost so many.

by JeffT on Feb 6, 2008 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

Is it the players?
I love JT and Zach... and they should have the opportunity in the twilight of their careers to play for a contender.

It's time to reinvent the Phins.  Build from the draft up.  We have a new coaching staff, GM, and VP.  If we want to be a contender in the next few years, we need to get young fast.

Right now Green Bay is the youngest team in the league.  I remember when the Phins had the youngest defense in the league.  It was JT, Zach, Madison, Surtain, T-Bo.  

We can collect picks and bargain to build the next generation Phins.  We will be talking about our Pro Bowlers in a few years and in eleven years talking about why we should or shouldn't trade or cut guys we don't even know about yet.

by gophish on Feb 6, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I really have a hard time,....
seeing anyone give up a #1 pick for a 33 year old.

That's just economics and the reality of the NFL, at least IMO.

Is there really a team out there just a DE away from winning the SB?

I just don't see,, but hey if it happens that we get a #1 for JT, then I'll be just as glad.

by Natalya on Feb 6, 2008 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

maybe
minnesota. they have a great run defense but anyone can pass against them as they can't generate a pass rush for anything. That said I can't see them giving up a #1 for JT.

by W NY Fins Fan on Feb 6, 2008 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd hate to see it, but
I'm sure we could get some middle picks for JT.  After all, the meat of the draft are rounds 3-6.  That's where you will find jems and sleepers, the ones that will work just as hard as a 1st rounder.  Plus, the cost will be much less.  I would take 3 picks in those rounds for Taylor.  I'm sure many of you may disagree, which is your right, but we must build through the draft now.  

by Cutie on Feb 6, 2008 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

That's a classic clip
Also, there will soon be a place to post videos like these to share with everyone.  Just need to wait a little while longer on the new design!!

by Matty I on Feb 6, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

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