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Comparison: Joey Porter vs Adalius Thomas

You know, the NFL is funny. Many times, when free agents get signed, the media loves to jump all over the deal. They'll either declare these signings as "great deals" or argue that it was a "terrible deal." Just last year, we saw this kind of reaction involving the Dolphins and the Patriots. Everyone said the Patriots deal for Adalius Thomas was so great. But then everyone said the Dolphins overpaid for Joey Porter. Then, because the Dolphins sucked this year and the Patriots were, we'll say, pretty good, we heard all about how the Joey Porter signing by the Dolphins was so terrible. And sure, it doesn't look like it was a good deal. But what we never heard about was how the Adalius Thomas signing by New England was just as questionable.

First, consider the stats:

Player Tackles Sacks Ints TDs PDs FFs FRs TFLs
Adalius Thomas 79 6.5 1 1 8 2 0 6
Joey Porter 66 5.5 2 0 5 1 0 7

I'd say those numbers are quite close, and probably closer than many would expect. Also consider that both players are the same age. Now, both players signed 5 year deals last offseason. And both players got $20 million in total guaranteed money. However, it's Thomas who will make $3 million more over the life of the contract ($35 million to $32 million).

So to now compare these two on an "impact plays" level, let's go back to using the Impact Plays Index (IPI) which is explained here:

Player IPI
Adalius Thomas 84.5
Joey Porter 70.5

So there's a 14 point difference between the two. And 6 of those points are because of the touchdown scored by Thomas. And another 6.5 points of that difference is due to Thomas making 13 more tackles, though he only had 1 more solo tackle than Porter. Again, I'm not arguing that Porter is better or had a better season than Thomas. The point is to show that while people are constantly knocking the Porter deal the Dolphins signed, nobody seems to say the Thomas deal also wasn't all that good of a deal.

And to really accentuate that, let's look at the number of "impact plays" that each player made per game. Again, keep in mind that for this statistic, tackles are not counted because, after all, the value of a tackle is hard to justify in stats. A lot depends on situation and where the tackle was made.

Player IP/G
Adalius Thomas 1.53
Joey Porter 1.28

With it broken down this way, I ask you: is one quarter of an impact play per game worth $3 million dollars more over 5 years? Or, to simplify this: are 4 more "impact plays" in one season worth the additional $750,000? It might be. But the ting about it is this: how can the media knock the Joey Porter signing without even questioning the Adalius Thomas signing?

And when looking at all these stats, I think something important gets overlooked. Joey Porter was slowed during the early part of the season with that knee that he had scoped about a month before opening day. So he really didn't get up to full speed until the final 8 games of the year. And in those 8 games, Porter played very well. Here are both players' numbers over their team's last 8 games of the regular season:

Player Tackles Sacks Ints PDs
Joey Porter 39 4.5 2 3
Adalius Thomas 40 6 0 3

Very similar, aren't they?

The bottom line here is that I don't think we should simply write off Joey Porter yet. He came on strong late in the season last year and I think he still has plenty of gas in the tank.

And to be honest, I think that his deal with the Dolphins will turn out to be a better deal than Adalius Thomas' deal with the Patriots. And that's ironic, in my view, considering how many wanted the Dolphins to sign Thomas last year and not Porter.

Thoughts?

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Tottally off topic
But I just wanna say Congrats Jason Taylor, NFL Walter Payton Man of the Year.

Given annually to the player who best represents his team on and off the field through his community involvement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKu3wbzo0-g

by Neo on Feb 5, 2008 12:09 AM EST reply actions  

/sigh Totally***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKu3wbzo0-g

by Neo on Feb 5, 2008 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

except
that NE moved thomas outside, and put him in coverage.... so he was a little out of position and didn't produce anything over the last 6? games or so. I expect the long term plans for him in NE are to return inside. Plus I don't believe thomas ever went after team mates on a plane this year, nor called his coaching staff into question.

right now, i'd swap porter for thomas without a second thought.

by W NY Fins Fan on Feb 5, 2008 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

~ever went after team mates on a plane this year~
Porter didn't do that, that was Traylor.

~nor called his coaching staff into question~

Please, everybody was thinking it, he just had the balls to say it.

I like a lil trash talking attitude every once in a while. I don't mind Porter at all, he started to turn it on at the end of the season. I do think he is overpaid though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKu3wbzo0-g

by Neo on Feb 5, 2008 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Tell you what...
right now if you ask a pats fan they'd probably say Porter over Thomas. For the simple fact that Thomas could have ended the game if only he'd held onto Manning for the sack but instead let him get away for that miracle long pass on their last drive.

Would Porter have taken down Eli? Who knows, but then again, we did play the giants way back during the Leo Lemon days in England.

I think the most memorable parts of that game were what....the streaker and Leo Lemons own backwards pass fumble!

by Natalya on Feb 5, 2008 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

oops
~ever went after team mates on a plane this year~
Porter didn't do that, that was Traylor.

you're right. brain cramp on that one, shouldn't post when I should be asleep....

Ok how about staying in pittsburgh after the team told him he needed to be on the plane home...

JP is a me first guy, I didn't like the signing then and I still don't. I believe he spells his name JoIy PortIr... Needs at least one I in every word.

by W NY Fins Fan on Feb 5, 2008 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I just watched
the last Super Bowl run of the Steelers on NFL Network.  Porter is featured as one of three interviewees (the others are Bettis and Cowher).  He    is an emotional leader and speaks his mind.  Having him on defense and possibly Chad Johnson on offense would be entertaining as hell.  One thing you can't deny is Porter's love of the game.  He cries, kisses coaches, trash talks and sacks the QB.  

by gophish on Feb 5, 2008 1:22 AM EST reply actions  

Food for Thought:
If you think of our best defensive players over the last ten years, most of them were later picks:

JT: 3rd rd
Zach: 5th rd
Surtain: 2nd rd
Madison: 2nd rd
T Bowens: 1st rd, 20th pick

Trade our pick for more picks.  Parcells can find pro bowlers in later picks.

by gophish on Feb 5, 2008 1:55 AM EST reply actions  

I think
the real question about J. Porter should be; is he worth more on the team or off the team. Trade value versus player need. The coaches will answer that I can't but, with how I feel, I would use JP as trade bait. We have a couple of young guys (Moses and Wright, A.)that could/should be used.
As Bill said "No one is safe" and that should be the starting point for every player on this team. Do I want to lose all of the vets? No I don't. How about the good young players? Of course not but cuts will be made, we all know that, who that is depends on their value and the team needs.

by gafinfan on Feb 5, 2008 2:52 AM EST reply actions  

Nice Post Matty
I really think that the polarity of the Thomas vs Porter deals is overstated.  I'm not saying that either was a great signing, but saying that the Porter Deal was a bust while Thomas was the best signing of the year on D is way off base.  

by Gliddog on Feb 5, 2008 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

Matty,
You forget to netion that Porter was underutilized in many cases this year.

We saw plenty of times in which Zach was sent on  ablitz and Porter was not.

ZT isnt the best blitzer because of his size, but going after the QB is what Porter is known for.

by Patssuck456 on Feb 5, 2008 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Great stuff Matty
I think based on the way Porter played down the stretch he is more than deserving of another shot. And while numbers comparisons don't tell the whole story with Porter v. Thomas, it is interseting to see how similar the stats shake out.
The Jayfiss Report ...one fan's rants.

by NumberSeven on Feb 5, 2008 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

I would say neither of these guys...
was, at least if you look only at last season, a great signing. Though there certainly was tons of hype and money!

Porter came on later but he was virtually invisible for most of the season. Thomas was used differently in NE, whereas Rex Ryan got a lot more out of him in Balt.

Neither guy is worth what they got in terms of money, but as those are multi-year deals, we'll have to evaluate the players over the course of the contract.

FWIW, if Porter was going to have a terrible year, last year was the season to do it since even if he'd had 20 sacks we would have still been terrible. Hopefully he gets better as the team improves.

by Natalya on Feb 5, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

2008
We're going to need as many good players as possible. I doubt Parcells is going to give away a 3-4 pass rushing LB.
Matt

by Matt27 on Feb 5, 2008 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

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