Joey Porter vs Adalius Thomas
by Matty I on Nov 12, 2008 12:15 AM EST
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PrintThink back to the '07 offseason. The two top linebackers on the free agent market were Adalius Thomas and Joey Porter. Both had been premier linebackers in this league. Both are the same age. And both signed within the AFC East. The Dolphins locked up Porter with a 5 year, $32 million deal that included $20 million in guaranteed money. Meanwhile, the Patriots inked Thomas to a 5 year, $35 million deal which also included $20 million in guarantees.
At the time of the signings, the media liked the Thomas signing - even though he got more money - and didn't really approve of the Porter signing. I call it the "Patriot Effect" - the idea that everything the Pats do is golden.
Then after last season, everyone really got on the "Hate on Porter" bandwagon after the season - including many Dolphin fans. Thinking back to some of the comments made after the season, some people were even willing to "swap Porter for Thomas without a second thought." And of course, the media absolutely killed the Porter signing and continued to praise the acquisition of Thomas by New England. This, despite the fact that their numbers really weren't too far apart last year.
But this season has been drastically different - and I'm not talking about Adalius Thomas' broken arm that will likely end his season. Rather, I'm talking about how Porter has been a dominant force - and the national media fails to recognize that.
But let's look at each player's numbers over their 1 and a half seasons with their new teams:
Adalius Thomas
| Season | Games | Tkls | Scks | Ints | TDs | PDs | FFs | FRs | TFL |
| 2007 | 16 | 79 | 6.5 | 1 | 1 | 8 | 2 | 0 | 6 |
| 2008 | 9 | 34 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Total | 25 | 113 | 11.5 | 1 | 1 | 12 | 2 | 0 | 8 |
Joey Porter
| Season | Games | Tkls | Scks | Ints | TDs | PDs | FFs | FRs | TFL |
| 2007 | 16 | 65 | 5.5 | 2 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 7 |
| 2008 | 9 | 33 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 2 |
| Total | 25 | 98 | 17.5 | 2 | 0 | 6 | 4 | 1 | 9 |
So 25 games into their careers with their respective new teams and what do you think? Which player has been the better signing? It's pretty obvious to me - but I know we won't hear any of the "big mouths" in the media ever admit they were wrong.
But you know what the best part of the deal might be? Over the next 3 seasons, Adalius Thomas eats up $26.2 million in cap space ('09: 6.4 mil, '10: 9.4 mil, '11: 10.4 mil). Meanwhile, Joey Porter will account for $21.7 million in cap space ('09: 7.4 mil, '10: 7.2 mil, '11: 7.1 mil). Think about this: when each of these players are 34 years old, Porter will take up over $3 million less in cap space. I guess for all their faults, Randy Mueller and his regime actually got one thing right.
But you'd never know this if you only listen to the mainstream media's ego-driven loud mouths.
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i cared about them
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not as much as i care about you
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Matty, they did away with the bandwagon force-out rule
So by rule you were OFF the bandwagon. You have to have both feet in the Porter bandwagon to be legitimately IN :)
by DolphDallas on Nov 12, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
It's ok
nobody with a driver’s license was still on the bandwagon after last year, so it wasn’t moving when we all jumped back on
"I throw better than anybody in college and I can throw with anybody in the pros. There, that's what I think."
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by Little Nicky 21 on Nov 12, 2008 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
lol
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I never jumped off
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Interesting Perspective
and another topic I can bust my brothers balls about in our ongoing fins-pats rivalry.
Thanks, Matty, you, sir, are a gentlemen and a scholar.
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y not if im wrong who will remember
by qbinfin on Apr 27, 2008 3:27 PM PDT
matty ur talkative today....why so quiet lately?
"This is one of the most competitive businesses there is . . . It's my life. It's my blood. It's how I'm measured."
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its surprising...cause he usually just comes out to personally attack me...WHICH IS AGAINST THE RULES HYPOCRIT
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why?
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if i get one more personall attack that means i can demean people cause if matty does it than why cant i be allowed
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so if i just throw a jk in after an insult we all good? dude matty better watch your attitude or i wont let you be the little spoon
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not even if you can be the big spoon
and she (see below) is the little spoon?
"I throw better than anybody in college and I can throw with anybody in the pros. There, that's what I think."
"I've been a Dolphin for 17 years, and I'll be a Dolphin for the rest of my life. That will never change."
- Dan Marino aka Quarterback God
by Little Nicky 21 on Nov 13, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
forget the spoon
I’d ‘knife’ through that, put a serious “forking” on it, and then do the HuskerDolphin “ladle cradle” until she’s all utensiled out
"You found that word today......and that word is Character"- Coach Sparano 11/9/08
by HuskerDolphin on Nov 13, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
friggin hilarious
"I throw better than anybody in college and I can throw with anybody in the pros. There, that's what I think."
"I've been a Dolphin for 17 years, and I'll be a Dolphin for the rest of my life. That will never change."
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by Little Nicky 21 on Nov 13, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLll
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It's always all about the Pats
The Golden Boy on the Golden Team ensures that. Even when they aren’t right, they are still making decisions better than any other team in the history of team sports. We couldn’t possibly have signed the better player…even though Porter is being considered for DPOY.
Coverage
thomas is probably a MUCH better coverage lb than porter is though…id be happy with either though
porter
i mean hes killing it. last year he wasnt rushing ad the scheme ddnt fit. they said it last year and you see the difference i tmakes immediately. what i wanna know is where is matt roth!!!!!
paging matt roth please your need in the pass rush
Wow this is the same thing they did with Obama
The media was up his ass from the start making it impossible for McCain the win
Porter is a pro bowler you just don’t lose all your talent in one night, people need to give these players time to adapt
you had to bring politics into it
cut it out
"I throw better than anybody in college and I can throw with anybody in the pros. There, that's what I think."
"I've been a Dolphin for 17 years, and I'll be a Dolphin for the rest of my life. That will never change."
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by Little Nicky 21 on Nov 12, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhhhh the media....
They say that the AFC East’s successes are all because Brady is out – meanwhile, the Pats have only played in 3 division games so far (One of them only last week AFTER all the ridiculous claims).
They have awarded the AFC South to Tennesee and declared Indianapolis a Wild Card team – only halfway through the season. Looks like a lock, but is it a fact yet?
I remember Monday Night Football in it’s day. All the terrible games. They blame the schedule makers but the truth was that they based next year’s schedule on this year’s performance. Sunday Night Football is even worse.
Media and schedule makers and all the rest are just bandwagon jumping profiteers.
Joey will get his due next year when the Dolphins are playing even better and the media is firmly aboard the bandwagon.
Til then, keep fighting the good fight and bringing these facts and this unbiased Dolphin info to the public and the true fans! That’s why I come here!
"That's never going to heal if you don't stop picking"
Who cares what the media says
The only place I go for Fins info is here : )
Joey is commanding respect from the media
Just not the usual Dolphin-haters. But any color commentator with a brain is giving Joey his due. Can’t ignore the league sack leader, especially one as out-spoken as our Mr. Peezy.
we like Jet Blue, we stay hella high
Hindsight's 20-20
I’m sure there are PLENTY of folks here that would have rather signed Thomas over Porter at the time.
As it is, I am happy now with the way this years going… but who the hell knows what will happen next year.
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My question is
what are there ages? If Thomas is younger, he might be a better signing by the end of his contract. If they are the same age then, wow I would have picked Thomas before reading this post. If Joey can play like this over the life of his contract then his contract was fair for both sides. I mean 12.5 sacks at the half way point. Awesome I just hope the coaches keep moving him around to keep O from taking him out the game.
Nope
he’s a tough mofo, I wouldnt be suprised if he pulled a Ronnie Lott and has his finger tips loped off so he can play.
"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"
-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic
by Patssuck456 on Nov 13, 2008 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Thomas was said to be "the perfect player" for the Patriots D
thats why they all were on their knees there…he was supposed to rush the passer like a transformer or something….but lookie here whos numbers look better…even with last yr.
last time i checked…joey had 2 arms too! zinnnngggggggggggggg
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All I know is.............
I had to run 150 yards at 3/4 sprint last Sunday to get this guy to sign a mini helmet for me. He stopped when he noticed that I could out run his Caddy Esclade and I told him I’ld beat his ass if he didn’t stop and sign my shit!!
Zack never made work for his signiture, but so what…..this guy is a stud on the field. And that helmet will be a nice addtion to my collection when I settle down back in Ohio someday.
Griffin
by Ohiofinfan4life on Nov 12, 2008 8:34 PM EST reply actions
Kidding
I didn’t tell I’ld beat his ass……..but I thought it.
His arms look pretty big up close…….
Griffin
by Ohiofinfan4life on Nov 12, 2008 8:36 PM EST reply actions
lol are you serious?
you really got a Porter sig? Thats frickin’ really cool Ohio. Oo Ooo Ooo waaaayyy tooo goo Oooo Hiii ooooo! Good job buddy!
"You found that word today......and that word is Character"- Coach Sparano 11/9/08
hey......
I see you’re Old Guard, now I really respect the runnin’ down the Escalade……….lol
"You found that word today......and that word is Character"- Coach Sparano 11/9/08
by HuskerDolphin on Nov 12, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
at marinos HOF induction i got like 12 signatures on one dolphins ball
keeping that for the rest of my life
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I was there
Wasn’t that lucky….
Although at last years Orange Bowl Goodbye , I got about 12 to sign on one ball as well
Griffin
by Ohiofinfan4life on Nov 12, 2008 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
damn u guys suck!!!
ok not really, but im jealous as a bitch here!!! all i have noteworthy is a 24k gold trimmed dolphin beer schooner from like 1975… had it all these yrs, sacred to me, but not even 1 siggy : p i wish ida known Porter was gonna be at the CSU game 2 weeks ago … man i gotta get to S Florida someday, those of you there don’t know how lucky you are.
"I'm not near as deep and complicated as people think" ~Mike Tyson~
Next year......
I’m going to do a walk-on tryout, hell, I could make the special teams unit….
They’re killing me………..F’ing pussies……
44 years young next August
Mean as hell
Sick in the head
Willing to play for free shit in the Pro-Shop
Did I mention………Mean as hell!!!!
FINS RULE
EVERYBODY ELSE SUCKS
Griffin
by Ohiofinfan4life on Nov 12, 2008 8:51 PM EST reply actions
Like Ox......
in Stripes……..
I hear it’s a good way to drop a few pounds………
Griffin
by Ohiofinfan4life on Nov 12, 2008 8:52 PM EST reply actions
heheheheheheheheh
just do the face slap thing like he did before the mud wrestling, and you’re GOLD baby!…. Hey, If you’re going to be 44 when you try out, give me a call, I’ll be the same age, and we can go in as the “Peacemakers”, two 44’s wanting to do some damage : )
"You found that word today......and that word is Character"- Coach Sparano 11/9/08
by HuskerDolphin on Nov 12, 2008 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I beleive....
“hard work always beats skill”
Barry Melrose , Tampa Bay Lightning coach and former NHL analyst for ESPN
Griffin
by Ohiofinfan4life on Nov 13, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Peacemakers...funny
Although at 44 it might turn into “Pacemakers” LOL Just kidding dudes…I am so broke down I would have trouble with the “walk throughs!”
by unklphinnie on Nov 14, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
You guys make me feel young and un-fanlike
17 and all I own is a Ricky Williams jersey that my parents let me buy a few years ago cuz he had retired and it was like $20 and a Ronnie Brown jersey that I recently got. Oh well, maybe the “Peacemakers” could help our special teams next season…
you're part of the clan man
and what a steal on a Ricky jersey! You’re Gen3, carry the torch and sing the song. No way you’re un-fanlike!
"You found that word today......and that word is Character"- Coach Sparano 11/9/08
by HuskerDolphin on Nov 12, 2008 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
RIGHT..........
If you made it through last year,…………YOUR IN!!!!!
NEVER LET THEM BEAT YOU DOWN!!!
Griffin
by Ohiofinfan4life on Nov 13, 2008 2:22 PM EST reply actions
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