More Fallout from Sunday

by Matty I on Oct 21, 2008 12:15 AM EDT in News Comment 65 comments

I want to talk a little bit more about some of the fallout from Sunday's 14-point loss to the Ravens. But first, I have an announcement.

I officially love Jake Long. In fact, I'm prepared to now own my first ever offensive lineman jersey.

I went back and re-watched some of Jake's play from Sunday, re-read the compliments that he was given by Ravens LB Terrell Suggs, and read Nicky's comments on Jake in his "gameballs post." And I now am officially sold on him.

Thank you and back to our regularly scheduled post.

One other note. As I was watching the Patriots trounce the Broncos in New England, I couldn't help but recall those same fans - fans that were all smiles and were cheering and dancing and celebrating - leaving with 14+ minutes left in a week 3 game against a certain NFL team. And I now appreciate that week 3 victory even more!

THERE'S A STORM A-BREWIN'
That's right, folks. You can sense it. It's coming. In fact, for some, it's already here.

That's right. I'm talking about Hurricane Henne. Regular community members here at TP already know that the Hurricane Henne bandwagon is headed by our very own 'W NY Fins Fan." And now even the media is chiming in. So I suppose I should take a few moments and quickly address this situation and provide my worthless opinion. After all, opinions are like a--holes: everybody has one and most stink.

I've long been a believer that having a rookie QB sit for his entire 1st season is the way to go in most situations - as long as he's getting practice reps each week. When the Dolphins signed Chad Pennington, I was skeptical. But Pennington has grown on me since day one. And even after those first 2 losses, I still felt that starting Henne in a game was a bad idea right now.

But I'm beginning to change my tune. Why? Two reasons. First of all, the offensive line is coming together nicely - especially in pass protection. Give this unit a few more games to gel and I'll no longer worry about our rookie QB (and potential franchise QB) getting killed each week. And second of all, it's clear that the threat of Miami's running game is really what opposing teams game plan around. Ricky Williams is still a solid runner and Ronnie Brown has proven that he's healthy and is as good as ever. Therefore, our rookie QB would likely have some fair opportunities for success throwing the ball as opposing defensive coordinators game plan to stop the run. We could even see a few long balls to our favorite 9th overall pick.

Yes, I'll admit that the thought of a play-action bomb from Chad Henne to Ted Ginn is freakin' enticing.

So the question would them become, "when?" And that's the tricky thing about this. First, let me say that I'm all in favor of what the coaching staff is already willing to do - play Henne late in blow-out games (a la the Arizona game). But as far as a timetable for when Henne could possibly start? Hard to say.

So let me say this. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Henne start if/when the Dolphins lose for the 8th time this year. Until then, I say you go out and play to make the playoffs. Will they? No - probably not. But you can't throw in the white flag already. It looks bad to the rest of the players on this team. And there's really no way - outside of Pennington self-destructing - you can try to sell the idea that Henne gives the Dolphins a better chance to win than Pennington does.

So that's my plan - and I'm sticking to it.

QUICK HITS
-Some will look at Sunday's box score and see that Ted Ginn only averaged 18 yards per return on 5 kickoff returns. However, here's a nice little stat. On those 5 returns, the Dolphins average starting field position was their own 38 yard line. What do you think now?

-Jason Ferguson is listed as day-to-day and might miss the game on Sunday against the Bills. If you watched the game on Sunday, then you know how valuable he is to this defense. He might be the most important player on this defense simply because of how he does a job that nobody else on the roster can do.

-Anyone notice that the Cowboys are simply collapsing? Anyone see that their defense is surrendering 5 more points per game than they did last season? Anyone realize that their defensive coordinator is on the verge of getting fired? And does know where most of their coaches from last year, especially on the defensive side of the ball, are? Todd Bowles, Paul Pasqualoni, and Kacy Rodgers are all in Miami building our defense. Sucks for you, Jerry Jones!

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hey welcome aboard matty

but you really can’t call me a bandwagoner since i’ve been riding that pony since april!

honestly…. I feel very strongly about this… you HAVE to get henne to take over THIS season and it can’t be a one of the cup of coffee starts week 17 or they’ll be putting off that ‘whole – you’re not going with the guy who gives us the best chance to win THIS game’ stupid arguement until next season…

You have to do what the rat (and that’s cause he released that rickey drug test to the media) in denver did… where he just took the bull by the horns and declared cutler the starting QB… well there was some gruff that season but that ended with denver loss to indy that season…

As to when to put henne in… i’m thinking let him start the second half in denver and take over starting the next week at home…. anyone who saw denver tonight knows that other than playing in denver that is a nice place to start working… denver can’t stop the run, and if bailey is hurt, their secondary can’t cover anyone… so Henne could just hand off for a while and when the mood strikes bomb away….

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I called you the driver of the bandwagon

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by Matty I on Oct 21, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

got that

but this sunshine don’t want to be slowed down by any wagon of freeloaders and late to the partiers….

I needs to roam on my own pony…..

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just for the record...

I’ve been right there with you. I have wanted to have Henne in there from the start of the season. Henne, Henne, Henne!!

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Oct 21, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm a Ravens fan,

but I wanted to help deconstruct and criticize or defend some of the coaching decisions, after reading up on some very good notes on the Ravens defensive packages.

1st, the Miami was running an awful lot in the beginning. That’s kind of odd against the Ravens in general, but especially odd because the Ravens were in a 4-4-3 package for much of he first quarter, swapping out Ed Reed for backup linebacker Nick Griesen. The Ravens used this package 9 times, and the Dolphins ran against it the first 8. Finally Pennington ended the package for good by exploiting Griesen for a 21 yard pass. I think this falls on Miami coaching because it shouldn’t have taken them that long to exploit such a sell-out package.

On the 3rd and eleven at the Ravens 12 yard line in the 3rd quarter, the Dolphins ran the ball, eliciting numerous groans from Dolphins fans I’m sure. This was not necessarily a bad coaching decision. The Ravens were playing 4 CBs, 3 Safties, Ray Lewis, 2 LB/Pass Rush specialists, and Pass Rushing DE Trevor Pryce. With the Ravens so sold out against the pass, the Ronnie Brown run might have been the higher percentage play. It is more conservative in that you don’t risk an interception, but it also has a better shot of getting it in, because there’s going to be a lot of guys in coverage. Suggs is a great player and he makes the play, but the Ravens were flat out daring Miami to run the ball on that play.

by math_geek on Oct 21, 2008 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

can't argue

with anything you’ve said….

I do want to mention that all you ravens have(or at least the 3 or 4 of you who are able to work one of them puter thingeys) have impressed me with your knowlege, enthusiasm, and willing ness to but heads on an opponents board… well done and very classy…

hope you all stick around for a while…. but just remember we don’t want to hear any b*tchin about CAM once you’ve figured out what a disaster of a coach he is… we saved football when the tuna put him out to pasture and you are the ones who brought him back….

so you deserve what you get….
and i hope he’s still around the next time they play you…
;~)

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll definitely drop by every once in a while

Although you probably hope I stay away… I find the stories about struggling teams much more interesting than the stories about winning teams. I find the rebuilding process extremely interesting.

Obviously Cam is hated around these parts, but I think he gets too much of the blame for what happened in Miami. There’s plenty of blame to go around, and although I know it’s believed that Cam drafted Ginn and Beck, a first year head coach has no business drafting players in the first place. A good GM takes charge of player evaluation like that, so I think the GM shoulders more of the blame.

Parcells obviously has improved every team he’s ever been on, and is a great pickup, but it’s telling that he replaced about half of the Miami roster.

If you had experienced the “joy” of the Brian Billick/Matt Cavanaugh offense, you wouldn’t be so down on Cam Cameron as our offensive coordinator. Things that Ravens fans have learned exist in football this year : Screen passes, QB sneaks, Misdirection plays and Double Reverses, pass protection from the interior offensive line, flea flickers (although they sucked), and generally running the ball on third and short. I remember with 3 minutes to go playing Buffalo having the lead, Billick called a pass play on 2nd and 1, 3rd and 1, and 4th and 1. They were all the same dink and dunk out patterns too. It was awful.

The players seem to have really taken to Cam Cameron, they generally like and respect him as a coach. Some people make terrible Head Coaches and great Offensive Coordinators (See… Dick LeBeau). Maybe that’s Cam’s deal, maybe he wasn’t ready and didn’t get the appropriate front office support, I don’t know. But football is much more enjoyable to watch with Cameron calling the plays.

by math_geek on Oct 21, 2008 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

18 points......

Under Cam…we had 6 games in the “L” column that could have went either way……..How different would it have been if we could have closed out those games…..Cam would have been viewed very differently……Shit happens for a reason….We now have a very solid coaching staff (for the 1st time in years)…I for one am grudgingly grateful to have the Trio…We owe that to the pain we went thru last season. Cam is shouldering alot of the responsibility of that season…almost unjustly but that is what you sign up for as a head coach. Cam IS very talented as a coordinator and as life does..it smacked him around educated him at our expense and stuck him right back where he needs to be in a coordinating job. In the long run ..WE ALL WIN.
I was “less that thrilled” with our #9 pick but I still think Ginn will eventually prove a good pick…and until “Quinn the Eskimo” is a top rated QB..I will still feel optimistic about #19. Do I need to stick up for Beck now? Shit Happens…..Capitalize on it and MOVE ON. All in all …you “Really Don’t” know how your wife will act UNTIL you bring home a stripper………until you do you can only “Guess”…I say try it…then you will know for sure!
Beafea

by beafea on Oct 21, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

good stuff befea

still laughin’ at the “you don’t know how the wife will act……” comment. I say the past is a milestone, not a hitching post. Lets go forward. So far so good I’m thinking. Speculation and predictions get out of hand sometimes.

p.s. I know you have a bird business, If you ever need a Sandhill Crane…..look me up next spring….they migrate here along the Platte River…..maybe we could work out a deal……lol

Semper Fidelis Miamius Tursiops Truncatus

by HuskerDolphin on Oct 21, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

one other point

matty

i know he’s been your guy on the line… what’s up with V Carey this year… I haven’t looked at his numbers in 3? weeks now, but he’s having an off season…

what’s going on…. contract pressure… having to compensate for RG… not yet comfortable playing the right side again, injury, or someelse (still till early for age right?)

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 12:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

VC

I think it has a little to do with the RG situation, although Ndukwe has played better than anticipated, and a little to do with him seeing some very good rush ends in the past couple weeks. Jake Long has been very good so far this season, and both Houston and Baltimore switched their best rushers over to Carey’s side to try and get pressure.

That, or he could just be having an off week or three. We’ll see as the season goes on..

OK.... so if the Jacksonville Jaguars are known as the "Jags" and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are known as the "Bucs," what does that make the Tennessee Titans?

by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 21, 2008 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's not just the

pass blocking, but his run blocking number was way down too… high 3’s (low 4’s) per run to his area vs 5+ for long and ndukwe (oddly enough) if memory serves me…. and granted those were post NE numbers and things have changed in 3 weeks, but i haven’t seen anything that makes me feel they’ve improved for V

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Long is playing on Smiley's side

and those two are mauling on the left side lately. Maybe he’s just in a slump. I’m wondering if the loss of Donald Thomas affected him, because Ndukwe isn’t as good, or if Carey is just not playing up to snuff. I’ll have to watch him closer in the next game, didn’t really have the opportunity Sunday..

OK.... so if the Jacksonville Jaguars are known as the "Jags" and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are known as the "Bucs," what does that make the Tennessee Titans?

by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 21, 2008 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah that's why i asked

matty – cause i know he follows those details more closely than i do, and figured he might have a good ideara (sucken up to your joiseyness)

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it could also be the oddness of the Wildcat unbalanced line with him inside and JL outside…and a question mark RG every game…who knows? But I think our QB’s uni’s have been pretty clean so far.

by OntheGo on Oct 21, 2008 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

I figured that is why long’s number was so high (since they never run left)…
but carey looks a lot like a rented mule at times this season…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't really place my finger on the issue...

…but you’re right in saying that Carey hasn’t looked like we all thought he would. And considering he’s playing for a contract, he might want to get going. I’ll admit that I’m shocked about it, though. I thought Carey would be the only sure, sure bet along the line entering the season.

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by Matty I on Oct 21, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

one of the things I noticed

against both Houston and Baltimore is that on the runs to the right it seemed to me that many times VC was having to move both his guy and and pick up a LB comming in like on a run blitz but without actually blitzing. I noticed this three times for sure against the texans and having to account for Super Mario and a LB at the same time seems to me that he doesnt get any push off the line when he has to do that. I hope to see him once again become the dominant RT that we all know he is, he just seems to be flat lately and thats hard to watch for all the reasons you guys have already mentioned (contract year etc..)

by unklphinnie on Oct 21, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

think you're right

thinking back on it… i remember seeing that… but he certainly didn’t get much of push unless J Lo was over there to seal the end… granted martin, who still isn’t the best blocker was over there helping also…. but i’m perplexed by the whole thing… almost like he has a tweaked back or something they aren’t talking about…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

had no idea what joiseyness was till I said it out loud

OK.... so if the Jacksonville Jaguars are known as the "Jags" and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are known as the "Bucs," what does that make the Tennessee Titans?

by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 21, 2008 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We all know Henne is the future of this franchise

and I do believe he should start once this regime deems him ready. Whether that happens this season or not really doesn’t matter to me. I would love to see him get a series here and there to work on different situations (red zone work, 2 minute drill, long clock-killing drives, etc..) I fully understand that Henne’s ability to start NEXT season is a priority for this team, so however they decide to make that happen is good for me.

One thing I do hope is that Pennington is kept as a backup. He may not sling the thing around like a superstar, but he’s accurate, reliable, and smart, which is really what you want in a backup QB. I can’t think of a better guy for Henne to turn to either, because of CP’s attitude and all that.

OK.... so if the Jacksonville Jaguars are known as the "Jags" and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are known as the "Bucs," what does that make the Tennessee Titans?

by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 21, 2008 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hmmm...

but he’s accurate, reliable, and smart, which is really what you want in a backup QB. I can’t think of a better guy for Henne to turn to either, because of CP’s attitude and all that.

rumors/reports are that K clemens would take issue with this statement and maybe the jets org/management too,

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re:

At the beginning of the season, I figured Henne would see some significant playing time over the second half of the season merely because of Pennington’s long history of health issues.

In fact, Pennington has played a full season just twice over the course of his career (2002 and 2006), so I figured it was just a matter of time before he comes up lame.

In my opinion, Pennington has played much better than I had anticipated – but I don’t think playing Henne is such a bad idea.

Henne will make rookie mistakes, no question, but he is the franchise QB and will be taking snaps behind an O-Line that seems to improve every week and won’t be subjected to the slaughter that Beck was last season – especially with two RB options they didn’t have in the 2nd half of 2007.

Take it from a diehard Michigan fan, Henne throws the long ball very well and connected quite often with his favorite targets (Edwards, Manningham, and Arrington) during his four years in Ann Arbor. And Ginn is a much better long ball threat than anything else.

Although Edwards was just a great physical and tough pass-catcher, Manningham was more of a speedster who outran the coverage.

Spreading the defense is one thing this offense needs right now and I think we’re gonna see Henne out there before too long.

At this point, I don’t see the downside now that we’ve seen it’s not a real playoff contender.

by anaconda on Oct 21, 2008 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pennington vs Favre

Did you know that Pennington right now has a better passer rating than Favre, P Manning and Cutler?

I’ll trust the coaching staff on starting Henne. Dan Henning and Parcells has a ton of experience.

by gophish on Oct 21, 2008 1:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

most meaningless stat in

sports is the QB rating….

in all honesty…. how would you rank those 4 QB’s and i’m talking right now… i mean penny doesn’t have a shot at even third if you honestly choose…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Honest ranking

Cutler, Manning, Pennington, Favre

OK.... so if the Jacksonville Jaguars are known as the "Jags" and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are known as the "Bucs," what does that make the Tennessee Titans?

by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 21, 2008 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not about the QB, it's about the WR's

I’m on W NY FIns Fan’s wagon, but I don’t think there’s any point to stating Henne. Sure the O-Line is improving, the running game is good, but the receiver situation is horrible for a young quarterback. Let him ride the pine this year, and in free agency get at least one receiver who can get open and catch the ball.

Seriously?

by Daren on Oct 21, 2008 3:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

See, my reasoning is.....

I posted this elsewhere already. Maybe our recievers fit Henne’s style and ability better than Pennington. I’m not jumping on anyones bandwagon here. When Pennington was picked up, I was apprehensive about it. He’s done great for us though, and really think he was the right QB at the time.

Do we have some fairly good WR’s if Henne is at the helm? We need to find out. It could mean who we look for and how we approach the draft and free agency next year. I don’t know when Henne gets put in, but its the natural progression of things as far as the big picture goes. And I say get him in for whole games, let him feel and get comfortable with every aspect of the game and the situations that arise. If we could keep Pennington, that would be a huge feather in our caps as well.

When do they pull the trigger on this? Who knows. I’d say once all playoff hopes are gone. And thats from a players/coaches perspective, not ours.

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by HuskerDolphin on Oct 21, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

spot on

I guess there is two ways to look at it… the receivers are taking a step backwards (meaning ginn) or
as you say the ones they are playing don’t match penny’s skills… ]

Henne has the arm to get the ball downfield to ginn (something even cleo did a few times last year) so as I have stated MANY times, or maybe if they are going with penny they need to put ginn on the bench and maybe cammy and go big with hagan and wilford and london… they may drop some but they are better suited to go over the middle and most importantly better able to block on the perimeter and there by help the running game which is handicapt by penny’s lack of arm strength.

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

two words

John Beck

Henne needs to take his lumps.

I read somewhere (probably here) that fins fans are impatient. Don’t turn Henne into the next Beck.

Also i agree with Daren, no point putting a rookie in with the intention of establishing a throwing game when we have no receivers to throw to.

face it, QB isn’t the problem, its WR’s. Our WR core is very very very very weak. It needs to be drastically bolstered before we even attempt to establish any kind of dominant throwing game.

Sorry Chad H, watch, learn all you can, and your time will come.

believe in the Tuna people…

by afmo on Oct 21, 2008 3:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

two things

go up one post for my feelings on the receivers….

and second…

who is more likely to do well in their next start B Quinn… J Flacco or M Ryan…
and which QB would you choose right now E Manning or A Rogers….

it’s always the guys who play that win out…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I understand the point

but those teams all have WR’s to toss the ball to. We don’t have any WR’s that are capable of becoming a passing threat.

Browns have Stallworth and Edwards, Ravens have D. Mason, Falcons have Roddy White, Giants have Burress, toomer, and smith, and GB is the only team with questionable recievers.

Sure its the guys who play that win out, but the QB’s that win also have WR’s that can make the play, be the threat to the secondary, and make the QB look good.

We don’t have that, so it doesn’t make any sense to throw Henne to the wolves like we did with Beck.

by afmo on Oct 21, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

questionable?

you think that greg jennings and donald driver are questionable?

by finsguy939 on Oct 21, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

two things

first off baltimore’s receivers are terrible – mason in his prime was average… and stallworth edwards please…

2nd and more importantly – i’m telling you miami’s receiving corps on the whole is pretty good… it’s just they don’t match the skill set of pennington…. once henne takes over and you have someone who can get the ball 40 yards down the field to a t ginn or a P cobbs, things will open up….

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

laugh at getting the ball downfield to P.Cobbs

I really don’t think that is going to happen

by cbdolphin on Oct 21, 2008 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hey now

I threw that in because that was pretty much penny’s longest pass of the year right? has he thrown one longer than that flee flicker to cobbs?

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 22, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yea that one in the arizona game to wilford..that was a pretty deep throw for him

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 22, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wasnt complete though cause he was passing to wilford

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-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 22, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Henne will get his chance

Before the end of this season Pennington will get hurt. Its part of the game. Let Henne come in of the bench then. Really think about it …do we want to do to Henne what we did to Beck?

by sdelinois on Oct 21, 2008 8:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

HE SITS

AND PLAYS WHEN ITS TIME.

WHY CANT WE LET THAT FREAKIN JUST HAPPEN?

"If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother."
--Bo Jackson

by Rzayo24 on Oct 21, 2008 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Amen to that

One major difference Ryan and Flacco have over Henne: they both have at least one physical, play-making receiver. Ryan has White, Flacco has Mason.

Henne has Camarillo. And that’s about it.

It’s waaayyyyy too early to pull the plug on Pennington. I’d rather wait on Henne. And I am a HUGE fan of his. But right now, Pennington is not the problem. Our defense needs to start tackling some people and our offense needs receivers. I’d rather not throw a rookie out there unless we absolutely have to (ie Pennington gets hurt).

by FinsNation on Oct 21, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

another major difference

Baltimore didn’t have a choice. Both of our other quarterbacks went down with injury.

by math_geek on Oct 21, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I may be a little onlone here but....

i think we should not only not put Henne in this season, but let him sit out next season as well. Why? We need to build the team around him so he has a better chance to do well. Three drafts with this regime the core of this team will be amazing. Get a few targets for him to throw to, plus fix up the speacial teams for good feild possistion. Tony Romo and Aaron Rodgers are good examples. I’m not saying you just give him a clipboard and say “just sit on the bench and watch”. Prepare him as if though he is your starter, that way if his time comes early do to injury, he isnt a deer in headlights

by fhitshaced on Oct 21, 2008 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Guys like Matt Ryan and Ben Roethlisberger

disagree with your post. I’m not saying you’re wrong, because I tend to agree with sitting a rookie QB until he’s absolutely ready to take over, but different guys are ready at different times. And certain situations dictated whether or not the young QB played or not.

Rodgers was behind a legend, Favre, and the Packers were competing in the playoffs trying to get another championship. We’re in a different situation. We’re rebuilding, and Henne is one of the main guys we are rebuilding around. He needs to start playing and getting familiar with the guys who will be here for the long haul. Building a championship caliber team than throwing a green QB in there for his first start is risky. Perfect scenario in my mind: Henne sits this year, playing in certain situations to let him adjust to the speed of the game, starts next year unquestioned. By year 3, when this team is hopefully looking at contending, Henne will have 2 years of learning and 1 year of playing, instead of coming in for the first time trying to lead a Super Bowl caliber team.

OK.... so if the Jacksonville Jaguars are known as the "Jags" and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are known as the "Bucs," what does that make the Tennessee Titans?

by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 21, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I do see your point.

And i agree that not starting him at all next season could slow the progress of the team once he is the full time starter. But my point is not that i don’t think that he is ready to start, But the team around him is not suited for a young qb. If we just insert him into the starting spot in trainning camp this upcomming year, your putting him in a situation where he has no reliable pass catchers at the reciver possition, now we may have some rookies there by that point but there is no continuity, and i would rather have veteran throwing to rookie then 1st year starter thowing to rookie. If we don’ t look like a play-off team mid way through the season the put the kid in there. But if we are in contention(like we all think we should be) then you let him sit. Your point about Matt & Ben are valid ones, but im thinking more like the Tuna led Cowboys, where they built a team with a veteran qb (Bledsoe) and once the team was ready they brought in the young guy to start.

by fhitshaced on Oct 21, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fhitshaced...

you are definetly alone on this one LOL
I really don’t care who is the starter. I just want to be in the WC hunt for a little longer and WIN this next game again the bills.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 21, 2008 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow

One mediocre game and the lynch mob is out for Pennington’s head

"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"

-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic

by Patssuck456 on Oct 21, 2008 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

agreed... best qb we've had in yrs

by Krab on Oct 21, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

WTF you mean "mediocre game?"

24 completions, 34 attempts for 295 yards, 1 TD 1 INT and 25 rush yds?

not exactly mediocre folks. He had the 3rd most passing yds for week 7, behind Garcia and Ferotte.

by afmo on Oct 21, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

how can ANYONE advocate sitting pennington right now?

he has been amaznig, especially considering what he has had to work with.

no WAY we bench him unless we are oficially out of the playoffs

by JeffT on Oct 21, 2008 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Patssuck456. Krab & JeffT..

chill!! most of the people in the blog is behind CPeniless, so don’t worry.
W NY Fins Fan is the most vocal on Henne to be the starter, but that is about it!!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 21, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe closer than we think......

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-flspdolbox19sboct19,0,3648567.story

Read for yourselves and take from it what you will. Maybe there isn’t writing on the wall, but I’d say the spray paint is getting uncapped.

Semper Fidelis Miamius Tursiops Truncatus

by HuskerDolphin on Oct 21, 2008 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

that's no big deal

that would have been the same case as in the Arizona game. Sparano already said that Henne will play late in games that are blowouts.

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by Matty I on Oct 21, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and that's how it should be.

Henne doesn’t need to start, but he needs to get some time. I think we’re all in agreement that he’s the starter NEXT year, so why not get him some PT this year so the speed of the game isn’t a shock to him in Game 1?

OK.... so if the Jacksonville Jaguars are known as the "Jags" and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are known as the "Bucs," what does that make the Tennessee Titans?

by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 21, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even tho, this wasn't a blowout..

he though of bringing him in. That is something to think about.
It looks like Sparano knows something about Henne, but because of the blitz pakages from the Ravens, for that drive, he didn’t pull the plug on CP. Maybe, CP days, as qb, are less than we think.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 21, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Leave Pennington in.......

The offense is doing what we expected…..If the defense can play like it did in the NE or Charger Game I think we have a good chance to compete for a playoff spot. Let the kid learn how to be a pro…….If we are out of the playoff hunt the last 3 games then I say give the kid his shot. Until then its Pennington all the way………..

by jvw on Oct 21, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

matty why dont we give beck a shot? we cant just let him sit there if there is no use

he may have gotten over that “deer in headlights” since he was a rookie

i say we give him a game and see how he plays

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 21, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You had to open that can of worms didn't you?

lol

OK.... so if the Jacksonville Jaguars are known as the "Jags" and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are known as the "Bucs," what does that make the Tennessee Titans?

by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 21, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs