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Missed opportunities cost Dolphins as they fall to Ravens

Is it a good thing or a bad thing to not be able to single out any one player or any one unit and blame them for this loss today?

I'm not sure.  But I will tell you that this game wasn't won or lost on any one play - or one drive.  No - it was a collection of drives.  And it's a tough loss because of how winnable this game was...if the Dolphins had brought their "A" game.

But right from the beginning, things didn't seem right.  The Dolphins didn't come out with the same kind of intensity that the Ravens did.  And the Ravens simply came out, hit the Dolphins right in the mouth, and the Fins didn't respond.

Let's talk about some of the headlines.

MISSED OPPORTUNITIES AGAIN A THEME
For the second game in a row, the theme of the day was missed opportunities.  The Dolphins left too many points out there on the field while failing to capitalize on some opportunities defensively to make a big play and prevent the Ravens from putting up some points.

The very first drive, to me, set the tone.  The Dolphins were able to drive down the field, converting two 3rd downs in the process, to get inside Baltimore's 10 yard line.  But the Dolphins were unable to to get into the endzone despite having 2 plays from inside the 5 yard line.  Miami settles for the FG and the Dolphins leave 4 points on the field.

Then, following the terrible interception return for a TD by Terrell Suggs, the Dolphins had a chance to bounce right back and tie the game up.  In just 4 plays, the Dolphins were suddenly at Baltimore's 11 yard line.  But following an incomplete pass on first down, the Dolphins got conservative and ran the ball on 2nd & 10 and 3rd & 11 - settling for a FG rather than being aggressive and going for the endzone through the air.  Obviously some questionable play-calling - and 4 more points left on the field.

Defensively, the Dolphins missed opportunities as well.  The biggest was on Baltimore's final possession of the 1st half.  The Ravens had the ball at Miami's 11 yard line on a 2nd & 9.  Joe Flacco stared down his receiver and Will Allen jumped the route.  But he failed to make the interception - not an "easy" catch but one that good cornerbacks make to change the game.  On the next play, Flacco found Derek Mason wide open underneath and Mason got into the endzone.  That's 7 more points left on the field.

The Dolphins lost by 14.  I just highlighted a net of 15 points that might have changed the game.  Missed opportunities indeed.

Star-divide

DEFENSIVE STRUGGLES
It's amazing how Miami's defense ends up making good offenses look bad (see: San Diego game) but bad offenses look good.  You simply cannot surrender 357 yards of total offense to the 25th ranked offense in the league - which features a rookie starting quarterback and 3 running backs who all didn't even average 4 yards per carry heading into the game.  On Sunday, those 3 backs averaged 4.2 ypc.

Yes, you can say that the loss of Jason Ferguson badly hurt the defense's ability to stop the run - especially since backup NT Paul Soliai was suspended for the game.  But I don't like making excuses.  The Dolphins were simply out-played physically.  Too many missed tackles.  Too many bad angles taken.  This defense simply couldn't stop the run - even when everyone in the stadium knew it was coming.

And should we even get started with the pass defense.  The only player who played well was Joey Porter.  The rest were pathetic.  Too many times, there was no pressure being applied to Flacco - allowing the rookie to pick apart Miami's secondary.  Receivers were seemingly wide open all game.  How can a defense let a rookie complete 74% of their passes and average over 10 yards per attempt?  and to think - this game would have been even worse if Flacco didn't miss a wide open Todd Heap in the endzone, causing the Ravens to settle for a FG.

Honestly, this secondary is a joke.  The only two players worth keeping are Yeremiah Bell and Will Allen - but as a #2 corner, not a #1.

PENNINGTON NOT VERY 'PENNINGTON-LIKE'
Sure, you're going to look at the numbers and say that Chad Pennington didn't play that poorly.  But that's why this game takes place on a field - not on a stat sheet.

I won't even talk about the interception that Suggs ran back for the TD.  We all know he shouldn't have thrown the pass - even Chad himself.  But Pennington was inaccurate at times today.  He missed an open Anthony Fasano for a would-be touchdown.  He threw wide of Ted Ginn once or twice.

But worse yet were the passes he didn't throw.  There were a few times that Pennington could have went 20+ yards down the field to a receiver who had separation.  But he didn't - instead choosing shorter routes.  Did he honestly not see these guys?  Or was he holding back because of his lack of arm strength?  Only Chad knows for sure.

But now this opens up the classic Chad Henne debate.  Is it time to start letting Henne get some drives each game - or even to start?  I still say no.  And I have my reasons - of which I won't go on about.  I know some feel Henne should absolutely start getting playing time.  And I can understand why those feel that way.  In fact, I'll be honest and say I'm not opposed to Henne starting later on in the season - though I'm talking December some time - not within the next month or so.  And the sole reason for my change of heart is because of how the offensive line has done a fairly decent job of keeping the QB upright.  But this is a debate for another time.

JAKE LONG IMPRESSES
I thought that Jake played well today.  Running room was tough to come by - but against this defense, it always is.  What impressed me about Jake was how he played well in pass protection against this dynamic front 7.  And even Terrell Suggs was impressed.  Suggs said after the game:

"Jake Long is very impressive. By far one of the best tackles in the game right now."

"He did a really good job. I've never struggled against anybody like I struggled against him today. He definitely impressed us. He's going to be a nice professional in this league."

Not bad.  There's something to get excited about.

QUICK HITS
-Joey Porter is definitely on his way to the Pro Bowl.  Two more sacks today gives him 8.5 - tying him with James Harrison for 1st in the AFC.  And he's now just 2 away from his career high of 10.5.  I guess his back injury isn't ending his career afterall, huh Armando?

-Congrats to Davone Bess on his 1st career TD.  It was a nice little route, too.  Hope to see many more in his career.

-Speaking of wide receivers, Greg Camarillo continues to impress me.  I never thought he could be more than a 4th receiver.  I was wrong.

-David Martin: I apologize.  You don't suck.  When you have an accurate QB throwing catchable balls to you, you're actually a rather good receiving tight end.  I'm sorry.

-Ted Ginn returning kickoffs.  The way it was meant to be.  You can just sense an extra buzz in the air when he receives the kick.  Hopefully, he'll be back there for the rest of the season.

-If Jason Ferguson's injury is serious, that would be a major problem.  He's the reason that this 3-4 defense works - personnel-wise.

-It's amazing how much of a difference it makes when you fall behind early rather than taking the lead early.  The Dolphins never really recovered from that 10-3 deficit early in the 2nd quarter.

-Did anyone else notice that 3 of Flacco's 6 incompletions were on deep passes that were basically thrown up for grabs despite Dolphin defenders being in position?  You think part of the scouting report against the Dolphins says that their defensive backs simply can't play the ball well and will give up big plays even when receivers are covered?

-For all the knocks on Ted Ginn, he sure does catch the ball nicely, doesn't he?  I believe he only dropped one ball last season and doesn't have any this year.  And he makes some tough catches.  If only he could get open more...or our QB wasn't scared to throw it over 20 yards when he is open.  (oops...cue up the "pro-Henne" people)

FINAL THOUGHT
This is why I wasn't ready to start using the "P" word yet when the team was 2-2.  This team just is not that good yet.  But the building blocks are there.  That's what is important.  Jake Long is going to be a great left tackle.  I'm convinced of that.  Ronnie Brown is a great running back - when he has some openings to run through.  The defensive line is filled with young talent (Merling, Langford, Starks).  And if Chad Henne is the QB that this regime thinks he will be, then things are looking up.

I get pissed, though, when I see Dolphin fans (or people who claim to be) bash the entire team after a loss like today.  Yes, they were out-played.  But calm down, everyone.  This team was never meant to win now.  I still see a 6 to 7 win season - which will be impressive considering where they are coming from just a year ago.

So let's all take a deep breath and relax.  Just like how things have gotten better from last year to now, things will get better from here on out.  Tony Sparano promises.  And people like him don't break their promises.

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Great write up Matty.

‘’I get pissed, though, when I see Dolphin fans (or people who claim to be) bash the entire team after a loss like today. ’’

In our game blog today this was happening. Now, if it was to happen once or twice by a blogger then no big deal. But, Seven, eight post in a row honestly makes me wonder if they are Dolphin fans. The consistant belittling of your team on a Dolphins fan site is not good for the team or this site. Try to be more supportive people. (If this applies to you)

Everyone knew from rookie camp forward this was a rebuild. Look for the good in our team and be true Miami Dolphin fans.

by Jersquall on Oct 20, 2008 1:15 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok you want it positive

welll here it is….(lemming)

i’m pretty positive the phins aren’t a playoff team… have been all season

i’m pretty positive the phins have no depth, but that takes time (years)

i’m pretty positive the phins had there best draft in years (decade at least)

i’m pretty positive that QB needs to be improved for the phins to make the playoffs.

i’m pretty positive that the phins will not to to the playoffs until they get a franchise QB.

i’m pretty positive that penny is costing the team wins right now….

i’m feel good about henne and think he needs some play experience before he’ll lead the team to victory…

i’m pretty positive i don’t want to see Henne start until week 10 (seatle…) but I do think he should play before then.

i’m pretty positive that the receivers are decent if only they had a qb that would get them the ball…..

i’m pretty positive that t ginn is getting open downfield but see my prior line….

i’m pretty positive that J ireland will have to draft some LB next year and maybe a DT or two or three

i’m pretty positive that J Allen should be playing more….

i’m pretty positive that Coach Sparano said he move J Allen to CB because with his size and athleticism he would be able to handle bigger receivers…

i’m pretty positive that A Johnson and D Mason (to a lesser extent) own the phins secondary….

i’m pretty positive that J Allen hasn’t played much….

i’m pretty positive that this team needs a CB that can cover an elite WR (heck i’d take someone able to cover an above average one)

finally i’m pretty sure these guys are all pro’s and if they needed my support on message boards to do their jobs well…. well maybe they should go sell cell phones and used luggage….

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 1:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oops

and i’m pretty positve I own mssr martin an apology…. (he still can’t block though)

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 1:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sometimes.

Martin shows up and sometimes he does not. He did well today.

by Jersquall on Oct 20, 2008 1:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nah

the guy has played well all year… he might be the only guy penny gets the ball deep to…

but the knock against him was that he couldn’t catch the ball (too many drops)…
well the guy has held onto the ball pretty dang well this year (knock on cam)
and i for one rapping him as one of Cam’s mistakes…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 2:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not only that... on Martin

The thing that has impressed me this year is that he makes TOUGH catches. I mean, the guy gets the SNOT knocked out of him and hangs on to the ball AND then catches the next one.

I have been very impressed with Martin this year.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 20, 2008 10:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, Atleast you were positive..

7 of those jabs were QB related. Maybe we can get Cleo Lemonade back for ya.
J Allen needs more time out there. Agreed.

‘’finally i’m pretty sure these guys are all pro’s and if they needed my support on message boards to do their jobs well…. well maybe they should go sell cell phones and used luggage….’’
 In reference to team support? You knew what I meant. if not, go back and read todays game blog. but note it was not directed at many. Just a few.

by Jersquall on Oct 20, 2008 1:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm pretty positive
7 of those jabs were QB related. Maybe we can get Cleo Lemonade back for ya.

you didn’t understand my message very well….

but you are getting warmer….

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 2:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dont listen to this kid ...he doesnt realize what pennington brings to the table RIGHT NOW

yes hes not our franchise QB , but hes the reason we can switch from wildcat to normal passing play without a hassle

when matty says he hates people who bash the team unnecessarily after a loss like this…hes talking about people like you

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 20, 2008 11:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he has a right

to his own opinion. Me personally, I don’t like being a “Grumpy Gus”, life is too short to be bitching about everything. The Pennington/Henne thing is going to surface more and more as the season goes on. Its just the natural order of things. Pennington knows that he isn’t long term, but from his point of view, he does good here, and may land him a position elsewhere. Or, maybe he is a total teamer and is ok as a back up. I think we are pretty smart fans here at the Phinsider and realize we are still a work in progress. Vent….get it out…..but let it go. We’ll get our rewards in the end……….gauran damn tee it.

Semper Fidelis Miamius Tursiops Truncatus

by HuskerDolphin on Oct 20, 2008 12:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AMEN BRODA!!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 20, 2008 1:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you guaren-fuckin-tee it? lol

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 20, 2008 1:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember!!!

it sounds beter this way, check it out

do you guaren-f-bomb-tee it?

just trying to help with my spelling limitation LOL

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 20, 2008 1:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol no shame in that

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 20, 2008 1:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

guess who was so sick today that he refused to go to the learning place

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 20, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHO?

Hagan, Wilford?
cause they need to learn something about been an NFL WR ; )

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 20, 2008 1:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no......PG is good enough

my words are solid without the f bombs.

Semper Fidelis Miamius Tursiops Truncatus

by HuskerDolphin on Oct 20, 2008 1:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but its not colorful enough

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 20, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you

well said’n me or well said’n monkey boy over there? : )

Semper Fidelis Miamius Tursiops Truncatus

by HuskerDolphin on Oct 20, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you.

monkey boy doesn’t get a “well said”. if he behaves, he gets a banana.

;)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 20, 2008 7:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

Semper Fidelis Miamius Tursiops Truncatus

by HuskerDolphin on Oct 20, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and thanks

forgot that on the last pass

Semper Fidelis Miamius Tursiops Truncatus

by HuskerDolphin on Oct 20, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks

for the backhander i guess… but I think I can hold my own around here… ;~)

but i wasn’t being a grumy gus I was/am all positive… and honestly most of the statements
I feel strongly about and are a sign that things are mostly getting better…

yup, i’m grumpy about penny but no less grumpy then the other 12 QB’s that preceded him… so he’s just the 13th in a line of average at best qb’s that have prevented the dolphins from becomming a quality team since marino left… but people will settle on the belief that things don’t have to be great… just better then last year…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 8:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no way

wasn’t trying to hold anything of yours…..lol

It’ll be interesting to see once the half-way point is reached if the burner gets turned up on the qb situation. I’m kind of getting pumped to having Henne back there, working with someone he’s known for the last few years at LT. Could be chemistry for years to come.

And the response about “grumpy gus” was to this:
“when matty says he hates people who bash the team unnecessarily after a loss like this…hes talking about people like you”

How can someone be grumpy with the Raisin Bran Man for an icon..?

Semper Fidelis Miamius Tursiops Truncatus

by HuskerDolphin on Oct 20, 2008 9:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you've got that right

just bring a rays of sunshine into the otherwise cloudy lives of others…

amen to that my friend.

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 10:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you got me thinking....

about our WR’s and how they would fare if Henne was at the helm. At some point, we’re going to have to find out. Some may still suck, but maybe some really explode. We need to know going into the draft and into free agency who the heck we really have.

Semper Fidelis Miamius Tursiops Truncatus

by HuskerDolphin on Oct 20, 2008 10:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for starters

T ginn game doesn’t match penny’s… so that would be my guess for the most improvement… heck even cleo hit teddy or maybe it was his sister deep a couple times last year…

but with the season martin’s having i’d expect to see more of that deep down the middle…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 12:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

every chance he gets, he brings this up. Since you obivoulsy know something that Sparano doesn’t, maybe you can get him to sign his paychecks over to you and you can lead our team to err umm victory??

by cbdolphin on Oct 20, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well it is the spot

that is holding the team back the most… and i’m sick and tired about hearing how bad the receivers are
when the reality is they aren’t THAT bad…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 10:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what does penny bring to the table

seriously?

I mean ask a jets fan?
I just looked up stop gap on m-w and saw his picture…

yes hes not our franchise QB , but hes the reason we can switch from wildcat to normal passing play without a hassle

best laugh in a while… (and i though my cell phone & used luggage line killed me… too)

so what genetics does mr pennington bring to the wildcat that any other QB couldn’t do?

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great stuff all around matty

Although I’d say I’m still most concerned about our defensive depth especially up front (I won’t even get into the secondary). One key loss like Ferguson allows a team to run all over us, no matter how promising our rookies are looking on the D-Line. If a team can have its way with us on the ground, there’s really very little hope to stay competitive in these games. Its what ultimately got us last year and while I know we’re rebuilding and that there’s undeniable progress compared to last season, its something that shouldn’t be overlooked by fans or front office alike. With a couple of top tier ILB’s coming up as top 10 picks (Laurinitas OSU, Mauluga USC)in next years draft (which inevitably looks like where we’re headed), do you see the Trifecta trying to find that star to really take over Zach’s spot (sorry channing) or do we keep building the trenches in early rounds and try and find run stuffing and playmaking LB’s in the later rounds?

by winplease on Oct 20, 2008 1:26 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 1st round pick...

…will be interesting this year because I think they could go WR, LB, or CB and get a good player while addressing a major need.

by Matty I on Oct 20, 2008 1:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

these guys build inside out

with no depth yet….

i expect carey to be tagged low and let go… and they’ll draft o-line, DT’s, and LBers…
they won’t go CB/WR until the foundation is set….but the order will depend on where they draft and
who is around as always…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 1:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which way to go?

DB’s or whatevers available through free agency should be priority but I think toward the end of the season the trifecta will have a better idea which way to go..

by Jersquall on Oct 20, 2008 1:29 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey Matty

Good deal on David Martin. I was thinking of a write-up on that because not not is he catching, but also the guy is in great shape and locking very well. Everyone said that he sux. Maybe Matt Roth will get an official apology from you as well. ;)

I’ve seen you do this before. You’re starting to ease up on the Chad Pennington issue. I see it coming already. Believe it. When Henne gets in there the whole dynamic of the offense will change. Did you see Flacco sling the ball around! Damn! Who cares if he’s a rookie, right? Their rookie beat our veteran. Plus, he went to Delaware State and our guy played 4 years at Michigan. Lets get him in there!

Matty, you doubted me on Roth, the O/line, Henne…You’re going to end up apologizing to me, LOL! ;)

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Oct 20, 2008 1:29 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Henne/49ers

That niners game would be a great place to start him just to see where his head is. Anyone?

by Jersquall on Oct 20, 2008 1:35 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

way too late

you need to lay a foundation for next season… and 2 games aint gonna do it…

team won’t admit it, but he is taking over soon…. don’t know if anyone else noticed that Sparano
said Henne got all the first team reps during the bye week…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 2:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

doh

were is the dang ediot edit button…
 3 games (that should be)

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 2:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

I saw that. But that’s just good coaching and good decision making. Doesn’t necessarily mean change is coming.

by Matty I on Oct 20, 2008 12:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

knew it was a good coaching decision and it was in stark contrast to what happened last season with Cammy givingthe guys a week plus off….

but we’ll have to disagree, I take it as a clear sign that they are moving forward towards starting Henne in the near future…

don’t forget when they worked out the bye week schedule it was the NE week and a couple ‘unnamed dolphin insiders’ had just dropped the idea to the fish wraps that Henne could start against SD if penny bombed against NE…. so if that was just motivation for penny or an idea that they might have to speed up the schedule for Henne, I think the plan is to start the transition THIS year so they don’t have any QB controversy during next season….

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why

Pennington has one off game, and you guys are already calling for him to sit?

by Bostonboy on Oct 20, 2008 4:14 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no just that w ny fins fag

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 20, 2008 11:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM RIGHT NOW…..IS THE SECONDARY…..

OUR DB’S COULDN’T STOP RIDGEMONT HIGH ….

I’m pretty sick that I’ll have to watch them lose games for us, over and over again
for the rest of the year. :o(

Jimbo

by Dolphinator on Oct 20, 2008 5:21 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed!

Everyone wants to talk about the game old Chad had today…he still gained 200+ yards. He was a little off and young Chad is waiting.

The secondary needs some serious help. Especially for CB.

"WILDCAT BITCHES!!!!"

by rangerjae on Oct 20, 2008 6:33 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously

i was totally jealous of Baltmore’s CBs and safeties. god damned Saban. Travis Daniels, Jason Allen? thanks for %^#$ing us for 5 years. we need a bad ass secondary that will swarm the defenders, snatch the ball and blast WRs that come over the middle.

im going to take a nap and dream about the Surtain and Madison days.

by smirish on Oct 20, 2008 10:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 weeks ago and even last week

over half this board was saying how great Penny was doing (100+ QB rating 3 games in a row), then he has one off game against the best defense in the NFL and Im hearing things like he got out played by the rookie “Joe Flacco”. News Flash – our secondary sux + No pass rush = High QB rating for opposing QBs. Our Secondary will make most of the QBs in this league look like HOFs. And you can bet future teams that we play against will be game planning for targeting our weaknesses in the secondary. So unless Penny was out there playing CB during these last 2 games I dont hold him soley responsible for these last two losses. We will not see Henne out there (except during clean up or garbage time) until we are mathematically out of the POs.

by Wade on Oct 20, 2008 9:17 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm guilty of Live thread negativity

Matty, don’t get pissed at people (like me) that bang out gripes during the game. Of course people that post negative stuff are still fans. C’mon, it’s a live thread, it’s about emotion, watching my team go out and play with no intensity gets me wound up therefore I type in anger.

Phatfinfan

by phatfinfan on Oct 20, 2008 9:27 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HEY!! phatfinfan, you can have negative comments..

but try not to have apocalitical ones LOL

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 20, 2008 9:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My God

I went to Florida schools, don’t use words like "apocalitical " because I have no idea what you mean. I think it was sad when Apollo Creed died (apocalitical?)

Phatfinfan

by phatfinfan on Oct 20, 2008 9:38 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude, I went to Florida schools

and that is why I can understand Aleta. :)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 20, 2008 10:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PHATFINFAN IS OFFICALLY MY LEAST FAVORITE BLOGGER ON HERE

DOUCHE

"If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother."
--Bo Jackson

by Rzayo24 on Oct 20, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wooohoooooooo!!!

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 20, 2008 11:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matty told him grow up lol

real fans need only apply to this site…..whiney bandwagons can go blog on phinsfever or whatever the other wack non phinsider stuff is called

"If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother."
--Bo Jackson

by Rzayo24 on Oct 20, 2008 12:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 20, 2008 1:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That hurt

I’m very upset

Phatfinfan

by phatfinfan on Oct 20, 2008 5:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember, is not the end of the word..

and all of us LUV the Dolphins, some might get mad at your comments. BTW i don’t mind your comments, but that does not make them correct ; )

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 20, 2008 9:36 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't tell you whether or not my points were valid

I was just hammering on the keyboard. Matty offers therapy because I do feel better when I angry-type. Today I’m fine. I’m checking my FF stuff and am getting ready to start with the pre-buff smack talk.

Phatfinfan

by phatfinfan on Oct 20, 2008 9:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

my therapy is to RUN back and for somewere while i finish my smoke and curse everything from heaven to hell LOL

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 20, 2008 9:46 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look!! If Ferguson is F***..

then WE ARE TOO!!
The only way we can savage this season, so that we can become mediocre, is with Ferguson in the middle. Without presuring the QB’s, we are as good as dead.
So CP throw an int, so WHAT?? La flaca has 7 already and west what, our secondary didn’t pick him ONCE!! QB’s throw that ball and they can get pick, but ONLY D with average to above average CB ans Safeties can make the ints. So La flaca, who is one of the worst QB’s in this league, was masterfull again us with a QB rating of over 100(i really don’t know the number, but who care, it was a high rating anyway).
I understan the CP-Henne debate, but calmdown. This debate was brough up by the coaching staff by stating that Henne was as good as Ryan(Atlantl QB). If that is the case, then WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING WE CP? Why did we bring him over? Why is Henne still in the bench? For sure Atlanta was worst than us but they are at a 4-2 record. So were does this leave us? no where and in total confution, that is understandable.
We have to be pathient, just enjoy that we can WIN ANY GIVEN SUNDAY!!

BTW we ARE ging to WIN to the FATCOWS NEXT SUNDAY!!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 20, 2008 9:32 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YES

Miami: 24
Heffers: 17

Phatfinfan

by phatfinfan on Oct 20, 2008 9:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol best part...

btw we ARE “ging” to WIN to the FATCOWS NEXT SUNDAY!!

-ging?

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 20, 2008 11:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL!!

That was for all the Ginn fanbase, you know? the one’s that have his jersey and all? ; )

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 20, 2008 12:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol i got his jersey and a personalized sweatshirt plus....ted ginn poster

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime

by finsxfactor on Oct 20, 2008 1:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Henne

Wow! that quote by Suggs about Jake Long is great!

Look, Henne should play as soon as we get our 7th loss and are eliminated from playoff contention. He was a 4 year starter at Michigan. I think he has the poise to step in and go. Once we are eliminated from the playoffs then we need to get ready for next year. Whether or not Henne is going to be the starter next doesn’t even matter. even if he is going to be the backup, he could still use the actual playing time this year.

I dont know when we will get our 7th loss. the way things are going it could be in 3 weeks. but i hope to see Henne after it happens.

by smirish on Oct 20, 2008 10:22 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YEAH!! the Suggs coute was AWESOME!!

and i can go with the 7 loss waiting thing

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 20, 2008 10:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well mr negative

looks like you need some sunshine in your life

Henne should play as soon as we get our 7th loss

not IF they get there 7th loss….

the reality is they will be out of the playoffs if they lose sunday, which would put them 4.5 losses behind the bills and 5 losses with 4 against afc foes…. if that’s the case Henne should take over at the start of the home stretch against seattle…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jake Long is building up quite the resume huh?

He owned Mario Willianms all game long before they moved him, he gave Suggs fits, and I dont think that sack came against big Jake.

And yeah Camarillio is a baller, we got to hang on to him.

"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"

-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic

by Patssuck456 on Oct 20, 2008 11:38 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good game. Great write-up.

Yes, I am a Ravens fan, but I have great respect for the Dolphins.

Dolphins are moving in the right direction. True success in the NFL starts with a good front-office and a good mind-set. It’s clear that the Dolphins have both now. I wouldn’t worry too much about your offense. I think that Pennington is the right man for the job. While the team is trying to find its identity, it’s best to have a veteran QB that is smart with the football, and I wouldn’t worry about the mistakes in this game. I’ve been watching Ravens football since 1996, and they’ve made far-better quarterbacks look far-worse. That’s how the Ravens have always won games.

I want to address the Cam Cameron issue, but I don’t want to hit a nerve. I know that this is a sensitive issue, so I’ll be careful. I agree that drafting Ted Ginn, Jr. was a reach in the first round. I agree that passing on Quinn was an almost unforgivable error. I will even agree that Cam isn’t a good motivator and therefore, not a good head-coach. However, even the most ardent Cam-haters must agree that he is a very good offensive-coordinator and play-caller. The Cameron experiment in Miami proved that a good play-caller does not necessarily translate into a good head-coach. In fact, I wouldn’t trust Cam to do anything in Baltimore besides call plays.

I also wanted to address the whole “what he had to work with” comment. I honestly do not believe that Harbaugh meant any disrespect. I have listened to every press conference and interview that he has given, and I think that he honestly believes that every head coach (including himself) does the best with what he has to work with every game or season. Maybe mistakes are made and deficiencies are discovered, but all in all, a coach cannot help who he is. The finger should be pointed at the person that hired him. The are only 32 head-coaches in the country. They are an elite few, and of course Cam is going to take the job when it’s offered to him. He cannot help that he is too soft to be a head coach, and I’m sure that he did not intentionally screw the Dophins. He did his best. It just wasn’t good enough.

Again, I hope that I did not hit a nerve. That’s just the way that I see it. I wish the absolute best for the Dolphins. You guys are my favorite team in the AFC East and one of my favorite NFL franchises. I’m glad to see that the new management is working out for you, and don’t worry. I think that the Dolphins will be an elite team sooner than you all think.

by BAL_Hawk on Oct 20, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

class act!

Thanks for stopping by and congrats on the win.

As far as Cam goes, you’re right. He’s a guy who just isn’t cut out to be a head coach. But even his play-calling was poor last year. Of course, that can be due to him trying to take on too much as head coach.

The worst thing, though, was how poorly he handled John Beck. He had him working with the scout team up until 1 or 2 weeks before he was to start. That’s not how you prepare a young QB – by having him run the opposition’s plays in practice. Clearly, he learned from his mistake – he’s handled the Joe Flacco situation much better. Of course, part of that is simply because all your QBs in Baltimore had health issues, correct?

by Matty I on Oct 20, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yah

Troy Smith has some stomach flu and lossed 30 lbs, or something. Otherwise he was suppose to be the starter…. when he gets healthy, I think he is a much better QB than Flacco, therefore he should start… but maybe I’m just a Troy Smith fan.

11

y not if im wrong who will remember

by qbinfin on Apr 27, 2008 3:27 PM PDT

by DolfinPhan on Oct 20, 2008 6:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup you are

now that flacco is in there he’s not coming out… think the hairball has said as much….

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I respect Baltimore as well...

I just knew J.J. was going to take Ray Lewis but we had Gardener instead…The Cam issue is hard not because of Harbaugh’s comments its just that we now have a superior staff all-aroundand an obviously much better team now. To watch Cam get the Gatorade bath is like a bad nightmare, LOL! I don’t think too many of us care much about Cam. Like you said, very good coordinator, very bad head coach. Many of us like Ginn. Its not that he was a reach I think it was mostly about last season. I knew taking a wr and not not meant a possible 0-16 and I was right. Especially after we missed on so many qb’s like Dree Bress, and others.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Oct 20, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I DISAGREE

Cam Cameron has yet to prove that his success in the NFL wasnt just the result of having a Chargers offense full of Pro Bowlers. The Ravens came into the game rankekd 25th in Offense if i remember right. Outside of having LT, Rivers/Brees, Gates, and Pro Bowl Linemen….he has not proven anything. I would (seriously here) be worried for your future. Cam Cameron is a class act, but not a top football coach. I can see him being a great coach in College somewhere on the West Coast like Oregon lol. That fits.

Class act Ravens fans…..my favorite so far.

Good Luck to you guys………have fun beating the black and blue outta each other over there

"If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother."
--Bo Jackson

by Rzayo24 on Oct 20, 2008 2:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You leave Oregon out of this!!

Bellotti and Riley are WAY better head coaches than Cam Cam could be. I agree that he was an amazing play caller in SD. Miami he called the offensive plays also (I think he doubled as our O Cord). He hasn’t proven much in Balt so far, but he did a great job yesterday.

And I won’t complain about his draft, because we got Samson Satele and any draft that ends up with a future pro bowler is a successful one in my opinion. I won’t deem Ginn a bust until after this 3rd year….

by cbdolphin on Oct 20, 2008 3:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cam

Good write up behind enemy lines.

Cam is just a nerd, not an an alpha male.

Yes, he and Mueller f’d up the draft- so did the previous regimes. In two seasons, this team will be very competitive with the Tuna mafia in place.

by gophish on Oct 20, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is propostrous!!(spelling please!!, finxfactor? LOL )

We have been SCREW to the bones for more than 5 years and now, NOBODY is at fault?
We, Dolphan, have to go to church more often, so that we can learn how to forgive or better yet, put the other chick after the 1st slap in the face.
The funny thing is that nobody is guilty of the Dolphins been screw, then let’s make ourself(dolphan) the one responsable of this mess.

Ps In the next draft, i want to be in the War Room!! LOL

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 20, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matty, et al

Okay, here are my thoughts from the game:

  1. - Biggest reason for this loss – The Defense. The Fins have had problems in the secondary all year, this is well known. But yesterday, the Fins also got very little production from their front 7. They let Flacco stay mostly upright and in the pocket all day. I was worried that the Fins pressure would cause Flacco to get outside the pocket and scramble, and that would be a cause for problems. But we didn’t get that kind of QB pressure. Obviously, Soliai was suspended, but who could have forseen that while Soliai was suspended, Ferguson would get hurt? Sometimes, a series of apparently unconnected events conspire to create a perceived advantage or disadvantage. In other words, it was an unlucky break. The absense of Ferguson and/or Soliai at NT was very noticeable. Without the pressure, we could not cover up the deficiencies in our secondary.
    Also, the D was terrible against the run, and terrible with tackling in general. I am not talking about the obvious problem in the middle with the big guys out. I am talking about missed tackles on the outside, or after the catch. Guys just whiffing on tackles, two and three at a time.

So, the Defense lost us the game, but the Offense wasn’t helping much. Everyone seemed flat, and questions continue about Chad P’s arm strength, and how that removes a dimension from the offensive play calling. Let’s talk about that for a sec. Many of the QB pressures on Pennington resulted from the Ravens secondary bringing good coverage. And I know Sparano didn’t want Pennington taking chances against Ed Reed. But I have been watching Chad P specifically for signs of a weak arm, thanks mostly to W NY Fins Fan, and here is what I am seeing:
- Chad P can throw the ball downfield. People keep talking about throwing the ball 20+ yds, and Chad P can certainly do that.
- Chad P was off target yesterday. He is usually more accurate, missing on at least one severely underthrown ball to an open WR.
- What Chad P struggles with is throwing the ball with velocity when he doesn’t have his feet set. And, my friends, THIS is a primary measure of arm strength.

So, I think that the underthrow, the pick, and the ability to challenge the Raven’s secondary deep are because when the running game stalls and the opposing D can pass rush, Pennington can’t get his feet set. The pick was questionable, but I think with more velocity on the ball, it doesn’t happen. NOW I AM NOT BASHING PENNINGTON… I see all the comments about how quickly the fans turn, but I still think he does a good job when the rest of the team is playing well, and he generally does not make poor decisions. BUT, on the question of arm strength, I think this is where you see it become an issue.

And finally, the Fins are good when they set the tempo, and not-so-good when they have to play to the other team’s tempo. You want to beat the Dolphins? Stuff the run, play red zone D the length of the field, run a no-huddle O, get up a couple of scores, and then sit on it with your pass rush. The Dolphins D is too young/new to adjust well to an up tempo offense, and the Fins O is not built to beat teams with the passing game. IMO.

Matty talked about missed opportunities, and there were many. I saw Ricky running pretty well, but take advantage of trying to get him outside often enough. On a couple of fakes, Ricky had room and speed to go, but he didn’t get the ball. Ginn looked fired up and ready to play, but we couldn’t get him the ball because we couldn’t get the running game going. And I saw at least two solid opportunities for picks that our DBs couldn’t come up with.

This game was a good example of a young rebuilding team, with limited depth, that can’t yet rebound from losing a starter, or that has the flexibility to play outside of it’s game plan. But overall, I think they are improving and the offense is consistently playing better than I have seen in years.
We could be a “Jason Allen” and a “Brandon London” stepping up away from winning that game. And we could be a “Chad Henne” away from being able to seriously beat teams through the air. But depth is at least a year away. In the meantime, don’t get too down. This was a poorly executed game by the Fins and they still played better than most games last year. The coaching was good, and they were in it almost until the end.

I have a feeling that they will continue to develop and improve throughout the year, and that they will be playing their best football in the 2nd half of the season.

Cheers Fin Fans!

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 20, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

thanks Matty, but i’m on unfamiliar ground here….

is “well done” better than a “well said”, not quite as good, or roughly the same…? I know this will be the new topic for the jr. glee club on here, so I thought I’d go ahead and ask.

;^]

BTW, well done to you as well my friend. I really enjoy being a part of your blog.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 20, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sheesh

i might have to disown you…. if you are going to become just another suck up around here….

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 7:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ouch!

I tease Matty enough. I think I should be able to give him an “attaboy” once in a while without being accused of sucking up.

=^P

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 20, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

isn't that really what i'm talking about....
But I have been watching Chad P specifically for signs of a weak arm, thanks mostly to W NY Fins Fan, and here is what I am seeing:
 (edit)
- What Chad P struggles with is throwing the ball with velocity when he doesn’t have his feet set. And, my friends, THIS is a primary measure of arm strength.

velocity is pretty much the whole crux of the matter isn’t it??? if you don’t have any velocity then you can’t throw a 12-15 yard out and you kind of need that pass if the team ist going to pick up third and 10’s… (miami is zero for the season there)
not to mention the fact that without any zip on the ball when you do throw it 20+ yards downfield …. you kind of get your receivers killed because the ball flutters and hangs up eh? just ask mister martin how he feels on monday’s this year….

and the best example of pennington being unable to throw the ball to the 2nd level (over the top of the LB(s)) is the Houston game…
the flee flicker to cobbs and the 4th downer to A Johnson both traveled the same distance in the air (~20 yards)…

which pass looked like it had better velocity? the liner from schaub or the dead duck from penny that cobbs had to wait for?

couple of points prior to the ravens game if you take out RAC – penny is averaging ~6.5 yards per completion…. not exactly lighting up the airwaves…. and as always this allows defenses to pack the box by moving 1 or both safeties up and use the LB’s to fill the running lanes…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

psssttt......

don’t tell anyone, but i was agreeing with you….
shhhh….

;^}

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 20, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

i kind of no that but I just like pointing out how bad penny is at this stage of his career…. and that
the only reason he looks good is because he is good compared to the green/lemon/beck/lemon
disaster we saw last year….

oddly enough he most likely isn’t as good as joey, but he gets a break around here because of that short term memory comparison….

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 20, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forgot about that..

the 2nd half. We will, definitly, be better by then.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 20, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely a better year

This is definitely a year I’m still excited about regardless of the losses we’ve suffered I’m excited to watch this team again because I know the last two years I definitely havent been at all I’ve watched miami since 1998 and I havent seen a bigger downfall than we’ve had but now we got this on track and yes we should’ve had the last two games as wins and not losses but if you really think about it it’s a win-win situation because even if we lose we know what kind of talent we have and what this team is capable of losing is only going to get us better rookies in the draft for next year although I personally dont think tony will put up with this and we should definitely see a more intense team next week especially since it’s the divison leader in Buffalo I hope we bury them in the ground next week

by Miamiboi84 on Oct 20, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO HOPE

on this one, but WE WILL WIN ON SUNDAY!! NO DOUBT!!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Oct 20, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ran too much..

Miami should have kept throwing..especially in the red zone. the Ravens love to swarm the run but you were successful with the “high low” passing game-over/under the LB’s for good yardage. Like Matty said..you ran on 2nd 8 and 3 and 11 near the end zone. That’s nuts. We had substitute DB’s in there and our confidence was badly shaken by the Colts. I don’t think our pass rush was that great where Pennington couldn’t throw 40+ times. He did get 300 yards but the play calling took the foot off the gas. He’s a great QB and many teams could use him. He had an off game (if that’s what you want to call it) but he also through for 300. We haven’t sniffed a 300 passing game all year. The QB’s were even with missed oppotunities. The difference in this game was Mason. A smart receiver who knew when to peal off routes and help the QB. His YAC yards were awesome. McGahee, a slasher, ran well..he even gave up a huge fumble.. So, all in all the game was equal. I like how we went for it on 4th and 2. That’s what middle of the pack teams need to do. Miami didn’t risk much.

by raven on Oct 20, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Poor gameplan

I was surprised by the Dolphins seemingly lack of preparation. It appeared that they just thought if they did the same things that worked against teams with poor defenses, that they would work against the NFL’s #1 defense. The Wildcat is predicated on running to the outside, which is our strngth. where was the pass of the Wildcat? Where were the pump fakes that the Ravens had fallen for last week? What about the screen passes and other Miami trick plays they’ve run all season? Your defense was injured and played soft. Your offense lackluster and the old Pennington sure showed up. I’m the Ravens blogger and was at the game and not only expected a Dolphins victory, I actually put a few bucks on them! I guess it doesn’t hurt if I have to pay for a Ravens victory. Perhaps I should go to more away games. Our stadium is nicer (and newer) than yours. However, your inside Club Level is great and you have us beat by miles in terms of “local female scenery!” Good luck the rest of the season. Thanks for the memories (er,..mammeries?)!

Rexx

by Rexx on Oct 20, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL!

Peace, Rexx

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Oct 20, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didnt see the game

but its good to hear it was much closer than the score. I felt this game was a good gauge at were we are as a team. Going up against the number one defense in the league when you have the youngest OL in the game and limited abilities at WR doesn’t give you much to fight with. Good to see the boys fighting. I will say I heard the score was 13-20 at one point……kinda disappointed the D didnt keep them out of the endzone.

by jvw on Oct 20, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First post, but always agree.

I was truned onto this page by a Phins fan from MySpace, haven’t said much tho. But yeah….these last two games have been all about everything you spoke about, and since I can’t say it any better I’ll just agree.

by RVZ77 on Oct 20, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not running enough!!!!!

our greatest assets on offense are our running backs behind our young O-Line… if you look at the two wins compared to the four losses we ran 36-40 in the wins and 24 and less in the losses!!! Control the clock and use those running backs… I still dont think Pennington is that bad or bad at all actually.. the Jets released him because they got one of the best QB’s ever. Pennington should throw less and we should run the ball more… However, he should ALWAYS throw on 3rd and long!!!!!!!

by ra7oom on Oct 20, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate that "stat"

maybe we run more in wins because we are passing when we are losing. Not losing because we are passing. When we are ahead in the 4th quarter we are running to control the clock. when we are behind in the 4th, we pass.
imo

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 20, 2008 11:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't forget

there is the basic premise that when the QB comes to the line if the D has 7 or less in the box you run and if there is 8 in the box you pass… so it’s really not too much of a surprise that penny’s throwing 30 to 40 times a game…

by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 21, 2008 12:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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