Henning says Henne as good as Ryan
by Matty I on Oct 16, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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PrintIf you've been visiting this site for a while, then you certainly remember some of the heated debates we had around here about Matt Ryan and whether or not he should be Miami's pick at #1. As the draft approached, I know I made it clear that I was hoping for one of the two Longs - Jake or Chris. So I was, and still am, very happy with the choice that the Dolphins made, making Jake Long the #1 overall pick last April.
But Matt Ryan's recent success has made some fans begin to re-think the idea that Jake Long was the right pick. Perhaps it would have been better for the Fins to take Matt Ryan. These fans would tell you that as a starter from day one in Atlanta, Ryan has led his team to a 4-2 record and is on pace for 3,104 yards passing while throwing 5 touchdowns and just 3 interceptions - a very good ratio for a rookie QB.
But I'm not buying it - and neither, apparently, are the Dolphins. Instead, they passed on Ryan and selected a franchise LT. By the way, they also think they've found a franchise QB as well. Dolphins offensive coordinator Dan Henning had this to say to the media:
"We think Chad Henne can play just as well as [Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco] can. I'll tell you that right now. I think when he gets his opportunity he will play well. Every time we've given him an opportunity, he has played well. We also like Chad Pennington. So I think the quarterback situation here as it stands right now is better than it was Feb. 1st. I'll tell you that right now."
Who am I to argue with that? I'm convinced.
But seriously, there's no reason not to think Henne will be at least as good as Matt Ryan has been. In his only real regular season action, Henne went 7 for 12 for 67 yards, leading a drive for a touchdown. And on that drive, Henne made some very nice throws into a couple of tight spots.
In my opinion, I do not have any regrets on what the Dolphins did on draft day in terms of their first 3 picks.
But since this is a democracy, I'll ask you guys to tell me if the Dolphins made the right decision to pass on Matt Ryan in favor of Jake Long and then take Chad Henne in round 2.
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What I like the most about the Dolphins
this year, has been Henne not playing. He is sitting and learning. I think when he gets his chance he will be every bit as good as Romo was when he got his chance. I am still not completely sold on Ryan yet. Wait until teams are able to play him a 2nd time, then I will give him his props. Right now he is playing better than I thought he would but they also have a better running game which helps his success. No complaints here with Long even though I wanted the other Long……….He seems to get better with every game. When he goes through a full off season of weight training he is going to be one of the best in the game IMO.
And.........
John Beck baby, John Beck !!!
Until he’s either gone from the team or passed over on the next starting job, it’s John Beck for me.
You’ll see. Y’all see…..
thats what im talkin bout
john beck = future
If you post a reply underneath this line trying to be funny and adding something like “future grocery shop bagger” or something of that sort…it is not need and you are an imbecile -————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime
lol
future grocery shop bagger is a good one…
what about future pope?
OK.... so if the Jacksonville Jaguars are known as the "Jags" and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are known as the "Bucs," what does that make the Tennessee Titans?
by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 16, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
lol ill roll with the future pope thing but not bagger
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime
by finsxfactor on Oct 16, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think.......
A QB is only as good as his O-line. If you can’t block, you can’t run. If you can’t run, you can’t pass. I like the choice, things seem so much better this year than last year. Last year the O-line was killing me, now it’s the secondary……..
FINS RULE!!!!
EVERYBODY ELSE SUCKS !!!!!!
Griffin
by Ohiofinfan4life on Oct 16, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
Not Sure Yet
I like Jake Long and I’m glad we took him. I think we have to give Henne and Ryan some time before we make a decision. I will say that if Matt Ryan was the QB for us we wouldn’t be as good on offense as compared to having Jake Long and Chad Pennington this year.
Matt
completely satisfied
I was hoping for a Ryan pick #1, but i definitely think at this point in the game we got the better end of the deal….we ended up with one hell of a LT, one hell of a QB, and one hell of a rookie QB to groom for the future.
and who does atlanta have? Matt ryan and……………..
not a knock against Henne
but I’ll tell you why he wouldnt be playing as well as Ryan right now, assuming he Henne was starting.
we dont have a receiver near the level of roddy white. that guy is playing out of his mind this year.
I'm glad we have Jake Long!!
Big Jake has been great. He is a “wall” n the passing games and a mauler in the running game. The key to having a good team is too have a good offensive line. Without that you have nothing. Ryan is playing great but the Dolphins have a different philosophy which features the running game more. Henne is a much better fit for our scheme and I am sure that Ginn would be much more productive with Henne than he is with Penny. Its interesting that certain guys on this site jumped all over me for prefering Henne as the starter when Dan Henning believes he is just as good as the other guys. I believe that too, and if he is that good I’d like to see him as the starter NOW because Flacco and Ryan are doing just fine. That’s what I think anyways.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
With all due respect Flacco is not doing just fine man, with Penny they would be 4-1
Flacco cost them the game against Pittsburgh and even more against the Titans, but I agree with you Henne has a lot of potential but if his sits one or two seasons out he will be the next Aaron Rodgers.
What are you talking about?
Baltimore is 2-3 and we are 2-3. Maybe he’s struggled a bit especially with some interceptions but they still have 2 wins with a rookie starter.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
spot on ken
i’d much rather have Jake and henne that ryan and who and knows whom, blocking for him…
and houston said as much last week… moving mario over carey last week…
and the sooner henne gets in there the sooner the WR will start showing something … it’s no secret that penny is weak armed and teams are stacking the line as a result…
by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 17, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i like jake and henne
i think henne is good but he still needs to be developed as a qb and as long as chad pennington is here he probably isn’t going to start any time soon.
GO FINS!!!!
77=right choice
We needed Long desperately. No QB would of been successful behind the line like it was. I may be having a pipe-dream but I hope that we are 3 TDs ahead in the 4th and that Henne can come in and execute another TD drive.
Phatfinfan
no regrets........and high praise from one of the best
A timely article from the Palm Beach Post regarding our number 1 pick. Kinda says it all.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/sports/epaper/2008/10/16/1016_jake_long.html
Semper Fidelis Miamius Tursiops Truncatus
long is doing fine..i think we made the right choice...what good would ryan be if he is on his buttocks the whole game?
i am happy because now we have a very very young line that is filled with talent
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime
TO have a good QB
you must have a good O-line.
We made the right decision.
11
y not if im wrong who will remember
by qbinfin on Apr 27, 2008 3:27 PM PDT
Food for Thought:
It is really a comparison of Matt Ryan and Sam Baker (LT) versus Jake Long and Chad Henne.
I think that if the Phins had drafted Ryan #1 and paid him all that #1 money, they would have been obligated to play him immediately (since his competition would have been Josh McCown and John Beck…yuck). I don’t think that Ryan would have put up as good numbers against the Jets, Cardinals, Chargers, Pats, and Texans with Ted (disappearing) Ginn and QB friendly Camarillo. Definitely would not have been 4-2.
Going against the Lions, Bucs, Chiefs, Panthers, Packers, and Bears is a much easier road to hoe with better receivers.
Consider this scenario:
Miami takes Ryan with the #1 and picks up Sam Baker with the Phillip Merling pick.
Atlanta takes Jake Long with the #3 and gets Chad Henne with the #21 pick.
Henne and Roddy White play against Lions, Bucs, Chiefs, Panthers, Packers, and Bears
while Ryan and Ginn play against Jets, Cards, Chargers, Pats, and Texans.
Now who do you think would have the better record and/or the better stats?
all good points
hell of a post by this guy
OK.... so if the Jacksonville Jaguars are known as the "Jags" and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are known as the "Bucs," what does that make the Tennessee Titans?
by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 17, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
well said
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime
by finsxfactor on Oct 17, 2008 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
only problem
with this is …st louis likely takes J long and Baker is long gone before 32… there was a huge run on linemen is this draft and I don’t see how miami taking ryan first changes any of that.
by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 17, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Henning said...
“We really like the QB we drafted (Henne), but if we had it to do all over again we’d definitely have drafted Ryan. I mean, the guy is 4-2 with a franchise that everyone thought would be one of the worst teams in the league. We were wrong on Matt Ryan. The guy has shown so far that he is every bit the franchise QB, while our guy is holding a clipboard.”
Not really, of course, but did you expect Henning to say anything different than he did? Henning said what any coach would say.
That being said, I don’t look back and I’m happy with Long and Henne. I love Matt Ryan and was one of the most vocal about drafting him, but that is water under the bridge.
Uh hem...
I do believe I said Rayn was gonna be good and it “wouldn’t break my heart” if we selected him. I know its a long way from knowing if he is a bust or not, but he is certainly looking good.
That being said, from what I’ve seen I think the Fins made the right decision. I think Jake Long is a stud, and I really like Henne too. The best thing about it is, we are enjoying a “bit” of success while Henne is on the bench sucking all of this up. Pennington is a class act and not a bad guy to learn under. We shouldn’t miss a beat, probably gonna get better when Henne is ready (stronger arm, stretch the field and make throws Pennington can’t).
I’ll take a franchise LT and QB for a franchise QB anyday.
Oh yea Matty I, What about Beck Henning didn’t say anything about Beck?
Are you picking up what I'm putting down?
My only concern...
…with drafting that franchise LT is if we lose Vernon Carey after this year. I’m one of those that believe VC is a very good LT. He’s going to get LT money thrown at him by someone. If we end up losing him and using a high draft pick on a RT, in my mind that takes away from the Jake Long pick.
However, I am very happy with Henne and I think he is going to be very good in this league. I’m just a huge Matt Ryan fan.
I agree That Carey was a good LT
But not Franchise. And he has said repeatedly that he was more confortable on the RT. Besides the Fins are well under the cap, we can keep him if we want him.
Are you picking up what I'm putting down?
i agree
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job
-Nicky Primetime
by finsxfactor on Oct 19, 2008 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
must be hard for you
neo since i know you were a big ryan guy pre draft… but imagine how good ryan could really be if Atlanta was able to let him sit for 3 or 4 years and learn the position… like everyone seems to believe a QB needs to do…
it’s a shame that he’s being ruined by playing this year.
by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 17, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
how is Ryan beng ruined?
Very rarely do we see a QB play amazing right out of the gate,
"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"
-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic
hmmm...
how do i answer that…
A) Polite – shucks, I guess he’s not…. i must be mistaken
B) Snarkey – read this link … http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm
C) Aholish – have you read any of my posts so far you dumas…I think even someone who hasn’t been around as long as you would know that i’m all for getting Henne in as soon as freaking possible and the fact that a rookie QB can do well is further evidence that it’s not how long you’ve been but what kind of skill set a QB has that determines if they will make it in the NFL…
d) Doh – you’re pulling one on me right?
so please choose which ever answer will make you think of me in your highest regard… :)
by W NY Fins Fan on Oct 19, 2008 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
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