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Weekend Roundup: Rumors, Rumors, Rumors

In case you were busy this weekend, here's what you might have missed regarding our Miami Dolphins.

DOLPHINS/COWBOYS RUMORS HEATING UP
Yesterday on ESPN's Sunday NFL Countdown, Chris Mortensen reported that Cowboys' owner Jerry Jones is beginning to consider the possibilities of making a trade for the #1 overall pick.  The following comes courtesy of ProFootballTalk:

Per Mort, any such deal would have to include the rights to Cowboys running back Marion Barber, who is slated to be a restricted free agent.  To make it happen, the Cowboys would have to work out a sign-and-trade deal before Barber gets a chance to ink an offer sheet that would force the Cowboys to match the terms or let him go in exchange for compensation...

... And it's clear that the Cowboys are going to have to find a way to enhance the two first-rounders that they can offer up for the No. 1 pick.  Under the revised draft order, the Cowboys pick at No. 22 (from Cleveland) and at No. 28.  Under the trade chart, the No. 22 overall pick is worth 780 points and the No. 28 selection is worth 660 points.  The No. 1 selection has a value of 3,000 points; thus, the Cowboys would be a whopping 1,560 points short.

Though the trade chart arguably needs to be adjusted to reflect the fact that the enormous financial investment that is now required when using the top pick makes the prospects of a move up even more fraught with risk, the Fins could justify the 1,560-point gap by placing that value on Barber, who coupled with Ronnie Brown could give Miami a deadly one-two punch in the backfield.

So let's take this piece by piece.  First off, I've said all along that trading the #1 pick for the Cowboys' 2 1st round picks (#22 and #28) plus some extra picks would be a bad move.  And though I'm not 100% on board with this trade scenario, I am enticed enough by the inclusion of Marion Barber into the deal.  That peaked my interest.  I've always thought that Barber is a very underrated, versatile back and I feel he would compliment Ronnie Brown very well.  And though Barber's long-term deal wouldn't come cheap by any means, he along with picks #22 and #28 would still be loss costly than the #1 pick.  And that extra money could be spent addressing some needs in free agency.  Also, this draft, though not top heavy, is rather deep, meaning instant impact players could be had late in the first round.  Regardless, I still would prefer not to trade down that low.

What I wonder, if a trade like this was to come to fruition, would be what this would mean for the current backup running backs.  Ricky Williams and Lorenzo Booker are both signed and Jesse Chatman is a free agent.  I'd assume if Barber was to come to Miami, Chatman's days in Miami would be over.  Then, more than likely, the Dolphins would keep 4 halfbacks on the roster, at least until Ronnie Brown proved he was 100% healthy.  What I'm curious about, though, in an effort to get LoBo on the field as much as possible, is if Tony Sparano and company would look to line up Booker at wide receiver more often.  Otherwise, buried behind both Brown and Barber, Lorenzo could very easily be forgotten about.  But I guess we'll cross this bridge when we come to it.

Getting back to the rumor, there's one more interesting tidbit about it.  And it was pointed out to me by "Alpha6" in an e-mail.  This past week in Mobile at the Senior Bowl, Jeff Ireland made a comment about how the preparation and draft processes are the same, regardless if you have the 1st pick or the 22nd pick.  Is it any coincidence he referenced one of the picks that the Cowboys own?  This will feed into the belief that PFT points out about the Dolphins and Cowboys already having the framework in place for a trade, which is why Jerry Jones hasn't been kicking and screaming about Bill Parcells raiding Jones' coaching staff and front office.  Hmmm...

CHAD JOHNSON WON'T GIVE UP
Even after Bengals' head coach Marvin Lewis came out and said they will not be trading Chad Johnson, "Ocho" himself just will not give up.  As posted here by "Notorious," Johnson made yet another comment about how he wants to come to Miami and be a Dolphin:

When asked if he would be wearing black and orange next year Chad replied "Maybe Aqua or Teal and Orange with white, Stop playing Parcells and call me."

I will make one disclaimer here.  I, personally, didn't see this segment.  But I talked to other fans who claim to have seen this segment on ESPN.  Regardless, it's been rumored for some time that Chad wants out of Cincy and that Miami is one of his top choices, if not his #1 choice.  The question then becomes what it would cost to get "Ocho Cinco" to South Beach.  And I don't think anyone really knows at this point, especially because nobody knows what Chad is saying behind closed doors.  If he plans on making a huge problem for the Bengals by complaining to the media and even holding out, then his cost would go down because the Bengals might get desperate to trade him.  But if he pledges to be a good citizen and not make a big stink, the Bengals would be less anxious to trade him and his cost would increase greatly.

So what would I be willing to trade for Chad?  I'm not sure.  But I wouldn't trade any of the picks the Dolphins own or may own in the top 32 (meaning any 1st round picks as well as their first 2nd round pick).  But anything after that is fair game, including the Dolphins' second 2nd round pick that they got for Chris Chambers.  After all, if the Dolphins trade that 2nd round pick for Chad Johnson, they would essentially be trading Chambers for Johnson.  Is that a trade you would make?  I would in a heartbeat.  Of course, it isn't likely the Dolphins would be able to get Chad for just that one pick.  And we don't even know if Parcells and company have any interest in Johnson.  He did say he doesn't want any "thugs," but I'm not sure Johnson classifies as a "thug."  He's never had any issues off the field.  The only knock on him is his mouth (in which he's usually harmless) and his showboating TD dances.  

At this point, though, I would still say that Johnson ending up in aqua and orange is rather unlikely.  But we can dream...

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the cowboys connection
i am just tired of it, i just dont want to hear this team in any other way related to us ahhhhh!!

by KingOnSlaught on Jan 28, 2008 12:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree
I am so tired of all the cowboy fans on this site that are miffed about the cleveland pick ending up as #22 when they thought it would be a top 5 pick after game 1 this season. Now, they all think Miami should donate the #1 pick to them.

So all you cowboy lovers, go bother raider fans.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 28, 2008 12:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why, Why, Why
Why would they do this...

Unless Ronnie's not looking good. The team has quality and depth issues. there is no way barber is worth 1550 pts worth of quality and salary cap space when the team has so many other needs. I'm not saying picks in the twenties wouldn't work out, i'm just saying this is a multiyear project and I'd rather get a stud ol/dl then gain 1 pick and a back up running back.

If year after year teaches anyone, it's running backs mostly have short careers, they come and go quickly, and you can get a good one from any spot in the draft. The other odd part about RB, the good ones usually play behind darn good OL, who, (the good ones anyway) tend to have long careers and block for a number of successful backs.

Miami would be much better served, trying to convince atlanta that they are taking ryan unless atlanta gives up #3.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 28, 2008 12:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sporting News Senior Bowl wrap-up
What's up y'all? Long time reader first time poster. Love this site, lots of smart regulars...
I saw this Senior Bowl wrap up that I found interesting - http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=343622

These guys stood out to me in this evaluation as possible future Phins -

Chad Rinehart, OT, Northern Iowa
Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
Andre Fluellen, DT, Florida State
Dre Moore, DT, Maryland

Also I now keep seeing mention of Joe Flacco, who I first read about here, good call. Seems like he has made a mark this past week.
Thanks, Looking forward to a good changes the next few seasons...

by phranchise on Jan 28, 2008 2:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

good article
thanks for sharing!

did any corners catch your attention during Senior Bowl week?

by Matty I on Jan 28, 2008 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Ireland
could have been just referring to the fact that in Dallas he had the #22 pick so that was going to be his selection before he got this job. I dont think it has anything to do w/ the fact that he's trying to trade for those picks. No deals will be done until after the after the scouting combine, then hopefully everyone will fall in love w/ McFadden

by YatilGinnJr on Jan 28, 2008 2:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

and...
I'm on the complete oposite here, I really don't want Marion Barber but I would love to have the cowboys 2 first rounders, a 2nd rounder and 1st next year.

by YatilGinnJr on Jan 28, 2008 2:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah but...
I believe in picking up great line guys, O and D and going from there....
 Making the deal with Dallas would be good, maybe Barber become trade bait, AND we get more picks next year.
I hope everybody gets on board this year for a building project, don't get frustrated, it will take a couple seasons, but it seems like we have a good start with coaches and player personnel men. I noticed how quick these guys were to leave Dallas to come to the worst team in pro football, they believe in the Big Tuna.

by phranchise on Jan 28, 2008 2:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

/Sigh
We don't need another running back, give us Newman CB or Witten TE a position of real need. The Cowboys have plenty of other players at positions we could use. Barber will be getting a new contract, yes it would be cheaper than the #1 pick but we could use that money elsewhere other than RB.

As for Chad, bring him on board. I'm, all for it.

>K?

by Neo on Jan 28, 2008 4:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Think about it!!
We still may get another pick, next year(thinking  the 1st rd), with Baber, we can trade him for more pick( again, thinking 1st rd, THIS year) from a team in need for a RB, we have a proven one ; )
Let show CJ his looker room. Imagine, CJ, Ginn and Hagen Jesus Holly Sh...t!! The Boom!!
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jan 28, 2008 8:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, i'm was..
so excited. What i meant was, that even with Baber, we can still request from Dallas, there next year 1st rd pick too. Them, with Baber in our roster, we can trade him to a team in need of a proven RB, for there 1st rd pick this year. ; )
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jan 28, 2008 8:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am against this deal
100%.

As Neo stated, RB is not even near tops on our need list. And I don't like moving out of the top 5. We need a top of the draft, impact guy- whether it be j long, c long, dorsey, or ryan.  and the front office really feels it needs to shore up the RB position-- then just cut out the middle man and draft mc fad.

i know it is all rumors at this point, but this is a bad move IMO.

The Jayfiss Report ...one fan's rants.

by NumberSeven on Jan 28, 2008 10:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's a bit crazy, Aleta
But it's ok to dream, I guess.

 Those 3000 points are a joke. On years with great QB prospects, sure, but not this year. Not for a RB. So the trade with Dallas sounds pretty good to me. I hope they pull it off.

by icerob on Jan 28, 2008 10:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dallas NO; Ocho Cinco Maybe
I'd really like to trade the #1, but I'm not desperate, and the Dallas deal doesn't make sense.  We don't need Marion Barber, and I don't think we can trade him if we get him.  Now, if the Cowboys can trade him before trading with us, that'd be a different story (3 first rounders and other picks deserves some consideration).
As I already posted the other day, Chad Johnson is more plausible.  We could trade our #1, for the Bengals #9, next year first rounder and CJ.  Cincinnati would get the DT they desperately need, we still would be in the top 10 (maybe twice if the Bengals perform as usual next season) and get Ocho Cinco.  Now why would Cincy agree to it?  Their GM/Coach tandem are in the hot seat and need to get back to the playoffs or they'll be gone.  So they're thinking about winning this year, not about the future (remember the trades that the dynamic duo of Wannstead and Spielman made in desperation).

by Green Phin on Jan 28, 2008 10:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dallas NO, Ocho Cinco maybe?
I really don't think we should get a RB, I mean hopefully Brown will be 100% next season, he started really good alst year and ended getting hurt, however if he is not ready (Which I hope he is) I still have faith in Ricky Williams, despite the fact everybody hates him. As far as Chad Johnson, I really don't think is a good idea, I see Chad Johnson and I think Terrel Owens, We don't need a "superstar" in this team, even great players like Taylor and Thomas never had that "superstar" mentality. So I would pass on 85

by Miamifan76 on Jan 30, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nice one...
That trade with the Benglas would be great, we could still pick up a lot of needs. It seems like a deep draft in a lot of areas that we are lacking. #9 plus Ocho... However, it is doubtful. I happen to have a lot of Cincy friends and they love CJ, one even named his dog Chad.
I'm big on doing whatever we can to stack up our lines this year, pretty straight ahead stuff, we stuff their guys, we keep their guys away from our quarterback and open up run lanes.
As far as TEs in the draft, I guess I'm seeing the same few guys as everyone, mainly the Davises - Fred and Kellen. It seems like Fred is more of a really good receiver whereas Kellen can catch (he really came on big this last year at Mich State) AND he's one big ass MF - imagine, this dude is 6'6" 241, fast and a good blocker. Maybe I'm getting a little bit of a man-crush on him...

by phranchise on Jan 28, 2008 2:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

TE
Keep an eye on both Martellus Bennett and Martin Rucker.  They are also play-making tight ends!

by Matty I on Jan 28, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who?
Are they upcomming draftees?

by Patssuck456 on Jan 28, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes sir they are
Bennett is 6'7 out of Texas A&M - scouting report

Rucker is 6'6 out of Missouri - scouting report

by Matty I on Jan 28, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But can they block?
Rucker, as I recall, is more of a big WR than a classic TE.

by urbino on Jan 29, 2008 9:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true...
....but Rucker can indeed run block relatively well for a tight end.

Bennett I'm not as sure about.

by Matty I on Jan 29, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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