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John Beck: Our Franchise QB

Everyone wanted Miami to select Brady Quinn and let him be this team's franchise quarterback. They didn't. Everyone thought that the Dolphins missed their opportunity to get their franchise QB, the piece of the puzzle this team has missed since Dan Marino retired. They didn't.

Instead, the drafted exactly who they wanted to be this team's franchise quarterback. He didn't play at an over-hyped college and didn't get overhyped himself by the media leading up to the draft. And we, as Dolphin fans, should be happy about that. GM Randy Mueller:

"I would cringe whenever I turned on a TV and saw Beck being mentioned. I didn't want anyone talking about him at all. I didn't want any team to know what we thought of him and another team maybe taking him."

This could explain why the Dolphins, while trading text messages with John Beck towards the mid to late 1st round, were also looking to trade up in the draft to select Beck. It's been reported that Mueller tried as many as 3 times to move up into the late 1st round to secure Beck but with no luck.

However, luck was shining on the Dolphins on that fateful Saturday. When Miami's 2nd round pick (#40 overall) came up, their man was still on the board. John Beck was selected as the Miami Dolphins' franchise quarterback. Like many of you, I questioned the decision. However, after reading up on him and listening to him talk, I don't see how you can not be a huge John Beck fan already!

So let's talk a little bit about him, shall we? Here's part of the scouting report on Beck from NFL.com:

Very intelligent player who has no problem executing a complicated game plan ... Student of the game who breaks down opposing film and does a good job of making adjustments on the field ... Plays through pain and shows very good poise in the pocket and confidence in his protection, as it is rare to see him bolt too early, as he will stand tall and take some shots under pressure ... Has good throwing mechanics and sets his feet with agility and solid base ... Even with just average timed speed, his feet appear light when forced to move out of the pocket ... In 2006, he received much better pocket protection, allowing him to take his time making reads to locate secondary targets ... Displays awareness to anticipate when the receiver is coming out of the breaks ... With his three-quarters delivery and natural hands, Beck is very effective at getting the ball out quickly ... Shows very good arm whip to get the ball out in time to hit the receivers coming out of their breaks ... In the short-to-intermediate area, Beck's tosses show good zip and velocity.

Of course, everyone wants to talk about how he doesn't have good arm strength. And even though it says right in the above scouting report that "Beck's tosses show good zip," people still question him. And you can tell this gets under hi skin. The media has been continually asking him about it. And his response is usually along the lines of, "You can call up my receivers at BYU and ask them about my arm strength." He says that he could "gun it in there" anytime he wants but that he was taught if you don't have to gun it, then don't. It's easier to catch and more accurate if you don't throw rockets when you don't have to. There are also reports that he as thrown the ball from the 45 yard line from his knees through the uprights. Sounds good to me. But if you want facts to back this up, here you go. First, at the combine, John Beck's ball speed was a tremendous 61.1 mph, according to this USA Today article. That was second best among all QBs who threw at the Combine (Russell and Quinn did not throw). Compare that to Drew Stanton's 55.7 or Trent Edwards' 55.2. Oh, and last year when Jay Cutler "wowed" everybody with his arm, he threw it just over 60 mph. Beck out-gunned Cutler. If that isn't enough, I offer you this video:

So, case closed on that arm strength issue that so many people want to talk about.

Next, people criticize the fact that he didn't play elite competition at BYU. It's true that he didn't play elite competition all the time, but he did have many big games against very good teams. Here are a few of them over the past 2 seasons at BYU. I chose to look at 3 games in each season. In 2005, he played at Notre Dame (end of season rank #9 in AP and #11 in Coaches), home against TCU (end of season rank #11 in AP and #9 in Coaches), and their Bowl Game against Cal (ranked #25 in both polls). In 2006, BYU played at TCU, whose defense was ranked in the top 10 in the country. Oh, and in that game, Beck played with 2 sprained ankles that both had to be taped up. See the video below to watch highlights from that game. BYU also played at Boston College (finished season ranked #20 in both polls) and a Bowl Game against Oregon. Here are his stats in these games:

Note: QB Rating is using NFL Formula, not NCAA
Game Result Comp. Att. Pct. Yds TDs INTs Rating Rush TDs
2005 vs TCU L 51-50 (OT) 30 51 58.8 517 5 2 109.7 0
2005 at ND L 49-23 26 45 57.8 317 2 2 75.9 1
2005 vs Cal L 35-28 35 53 66 352 3 2 87.9 0
2006 at BC L 30-23 (OT) 38 59 64.4 436 1 2 78.1 1
2006 at TCU* W 31-17 23 37 62.2 321 3 0 117.1 0
2006 vs Ore W 38-8 28 46 60.9 375 2 2 83.2 1
Total 6 games 180 291 61.9 386 ypg 16 10 90.8 3

Here's the 2006 video of BYU vs TCU with Beck playing with 2 sprained, taped ankles:

And if you still need more convincing that Beck really does have the makings of a franchise quarterback, all you need to do is listen to him talk. The following is a transcript from the end of an interview Beck did with Joe Rose of 790 The Ticket on Monday morning after being drafted. You can listen to the whole thing at their website, but here's the very end:

Beck: They gave me the playbook yesterday and on the flight home I already started memorizing it, preparing myself because, hey, Thursday they fly me in and Friday practice starts. So I want to make the most out of every opportunity I have and I want to prepare myself the best I can. I'm stepping into something that's going to be different from where I came from because the NFL level is different. I want to be like a sponge, soak up everything I possibly can. I also want to be as tough as I possibly can and just go out there and compete.

I also made a comment yesterday about Dan Marino; how I can remember as a kid and through junior high watching him play; seeing a fire in his eyes. That fire was just a competitor wanting to win more than anything. And when I put that Dolphins uniform on, I want to have that fire in my eyes. I'm going to do anything I can to find a way to win.

Rose: Wow, I'll tell you, I'll play with you right now. Let's go out there and line up, kid. I'm ready to go. Hey, I promise you, John, I will never call you at home again and thank you so much for being with us this morning.

Beck: It was my pleasure. And you know what? If you do need to call me, go ahead and give me a call. I'm a Dolphin.

I can't wait to see this guy in action. Something tells me that Cameron and Mueller found a special player who is going to give us Dolphin fans something to cheer about for a long time!!

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Arm strength
First off, I think arm strength is less important than accuracy in the NFL. Most guys have the arm strength to throw a 10-15 yard out. But can they put it in the numbers of the WR? Still, Beck threw the piss out of that hail mary. Very impressive. The more I read and see of Beck, the more excited I get.

by dplunk on May 2, 2007 12:20 AM EDT   0 recs

yup...
How can you not love this guy?

by Matty I on May 2, 2007 12:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Right Choice
Tough, Composed, Accurate, Leader.

Weis said he sees alot of Tom Brady in Brady Quinn. He must had been talking about when he looks at the name.

I see more of Brady in Beck than I do Quinn.

Brady is successful, b/c he is in a good system, he is a leader, he stays composed, and most of all He is accurate. Nothing rattles him and his passes always on the pinpoint mark.

By no means am I saying Beck is the next Brady,but from what I've seen/read/heard Beck showed all that in College. Let us hope he can carry it into the NFL.

by Neo on May 2, 2007 12:45 AM EDT   0 recs

I want to be a dolphin
This just really hits home.

Beck: It was my pleasure. And you know what? If you do need to call me, go ahead and give me a call. I'm a Dolphin.

That right there just says so much about Beck in so many different ways.

I don't think this has been pointed out enough.

Quinn was a Brown's fan coming up. He made no secret of his desire of wanting to play for the Browns. He said it repeatedly. He got what he wanted. So Finfans don't be mad, he didn't want to come here anyway.

by Neo on May 2, 2007 12:58 AM EDT   0 recs

Incredible
First, let me say great article and nice organization of it all. I have read and looked at so many videos but nobody has put it together as well as you have right here.

Now, this kid really seems to be what we are looking for. When they announced Ginn at number 9, I saw my world crumble around me. I will admit that much. Looking back now, I call myself a fool for even falling that much into the hype. I really love this kid Beck and KNOW he will do great things here after all I read and this article. I never saw that interview before and reading it brings tears to my eyes. GO PHINS!

Let this season BE GINN!

by JPenedo on May 2, 2007 1:01 AM EDT   0 recs

Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words on the article itself! As far as the #9 pick, I, like you and many others, was VERY disappointed and angry when I heard Ginn's named mentioned. But man, it worked out for the best. John Beck is a PLAYER!! Am I the only one with a "mancrush" on him...lol

by Matty I on May 2, 2007 1:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lol
Once I see him in aqua and orange, I'm sure a man crush will start to develop.

by dplunk on May 2, 2007 2:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Beck is impressive
I'm liking this pick more and more.

by Patssuck456 on May 2, 2007 12:07 PM EDT   0 recs

The real deal...
Something about Quinn bothered me.  From the first few interviews, he just seemed... like a flake.  Every word he uttered seemed contrived, ever smile forced, I just couldn't put my finger on it.  I still can't.  Granted, I would have rooted for him through thick and thin if we drafted him, and I was in utter shock when we didn't.

Now with Beck, I don't get the same flakey impressions that I got with Quinn.  Maybe it is the fanboy dolp-fan in me, but he seems like the real deal.  His words aren't forced, they seem natural and to the point.  He speaks his mind and seems to have strong convictions.  Beck has his priorities in order and I think he'll make all the difference in the world.

Time will tell, I suppose.  I cannot wait for a Quinn/Beck showdown in the playoffs of the future.

by CapedCrusader on May 2, 2007 2:33 PM EDT   0 recs

Love waiting to take Beck
On NFLDRAFTSCOUT.com they really liked Beck.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/07rangsgang.php

I feel that the two most important characteristics for a quarterback are not size and arm strength, but leadership and accuracy. These are two of Beck's greatest attributes. His size, arm strength, and mobility are all better than advertised. If I have a top 5 pick in this draft with Russell and/or Quinn on the board, I draft another position and target Beck in the middle rounds.

That last sentence is exactly what the Dolphins did. It allowed us to get a better player up front while still getting a great quarterback.

by pavao13 on May 2, 2007 2:48 PM EDT   0 recs

The Love Boat...
All those people who were absolute hoping for Quinn to be drafted by the Dolphins, suddenly can't hate the guy enough. He's inaccurate, he's got no arm, he's over-hyped, he's a flake, he's got bad hair, etc.

Meanwhile, the Beck love fest is in full force. He's got the best arm, the most accuracy, the most poise, played in the toughest games, heck, he might even part the sea during mini-camp this weekend.

I remember quite well how when Saban was hired, when Culpepper was traded, how everyone loved it. If you questioned it, then you were, well, stupid or worse stil, a pats fan. Hmmm, now those same folks would be the first ones to say both moves (Saban & Culpepper) were stupid.

I could care less what Quinn sounds like in an interview or Beck. Is it a personality contest or a football game? Are we getting guys to give good interviews or win games? I mean seriously...

Neo - so from your couch, TV set, and computer - you know better than Charlie Weis? Charlie Weis, who coached both Quinn and Tom Brady for years, is flat-out wrong or delusional in saying that Quinn reminds him of Brady?

The fact is, nobody is right all the time. Coaches and GM's screw up, even the best ones. Mueller picked Walter Jones, but he also selected Rick Mirer and Dan McGwire remember? If someone was right all the time, then it sure would be a very predictable league.

by Natalya on May 2, 2007 3:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Hero

~~Would you tremble if I touched your lips?~~

by Neo on May 2, 2007 3:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not so fast...
You make good points - obviously the true Dolphin fanboys/girls ect. are going to do whatever they can to rationalize the Dolphins passing on Quinn.  It's in our nature.  It's part of being fanatical.

However, there are a few of us that have never been high on Quinn.  It's easy to get caught up in the hype, but the fact of the matter is, the Dolphins didn't feel that Quinn was leaps and bounds above the second tier of QBs in this years draft.  Right or wrong?  We'll see soon enough.

As to the other points:

  • Charlie Weis' endorsement of Quinn was nothing more than posturing for ND recruitment.  While not "flat-out wrong or delusional", his stance was far from unbiased.  What is he supposed to say?
  • As to his previous endevours in the draft, Randy Mueller was little more than a water-boy when the Seahawks selected Mirer and McGwire.  I don't believe he had any substantial role until the 1995 Draft... but don't quote me on that.
The key, as you put it, is that nobody is right all the time.  That is what makes the NFL, and the draft in particular, so awesome.  I wouldn't have it any other way.

by CapedCrusader on May 2, 2007 5:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And lastly...
CapedCrusader..thanks for the intelligent response. Disagreement isn't a problem, if we articulate our points and give at least somewhat credible reasons for them. So it is good for all of us.

Nobody is right all the time. Yeap, absolutely.

Take the NFL schedule for instance. All over the country, people ranging from casual fans, diehards, and professionals are dissecting the schedule and attempting to pencil in wins & losses.

Who would have thought that New Orleans would be in the NFC title game last year? Granted it is the NFC, but still, totally unexpected. Who would have thought a sixth round draft choice, Tom Brady, would lead a team to 3 super bowls?

I'm hoping one of this coming season's pleasant surprises is well, our own Dolphins.

by Natalya on May 2, 2007 7:35 PM EDT   0 recs

A Beck positive...
I don't know if he will get it done on the field. I'll say this though, he strikes me as a player who will not be outworked or be unprepared (unlike Rex Grossman who just showed up for some games last year).

by Natalya on May 2, 2007 7:38 PM EDT   0 recs

yea well...
Teddy Ginn reminds me disturbingly of Yatil Green... small, superfast guy ... 3 concurrent ACL injuries in training camp.... Ginn.. lisfranc injury tends to linger from what I'm hearing.

Either way... all this is moot because we dont have a set of CBs to cover Moss and Stallworth at the same time. We might as well just fast forward to 2009 and maybe brady will retire and then we'll have a chance.

by YatilGinnJr on May 2, 2007 10:37 PM EDT   0 recs

Ginn
Ginn's injury was a freak incident. I'm not sure about Yatil's. But I think its unfair to compare the two unless they were both accidents of the same nature. That is the misconception with Ginn. He is not injury prone by most standards. This ankle injury is the first significant injury of his career.

by dplunk on May 2, 2007 10:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Welcome
Welcome to the site, Yatil.  And great user name  lol

by Matty I on May 2, 2007 11:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well..
 Yatil Green really wasn't that small being 6'2" 205 lbs (Ginn 6'0" 180lbs). Green had  real potential, but nothing like what Ginn is capable of bringing to the table.

 I agree with you about our corners, we did need to upgrade. That being said, we were the 4th ranked defense in the NFL last year.

 Personally I don't think our corners will have to cover long. Jason Taylor on 1 side, Zach Thomas in the middle, and  Joey Porter on the other, buddy we're gonna bring it. Moss isn't gonna have time to get 40 yards down the field, cause Brady will be on his back quicker that a NYC prostitute. Dom Capers might not be a good head coach, but he is a excellent defense coordinator. He'll find a way to apply pressure.

 

by Neo on May 2, 2007 11:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah!!! and......
We converted Natalya!!!  You're saying positive things now!!  I knew you could do it.  On another note.....is it me or is the injury thing a little over blown these days?  Doesn't everyone get injured playing football at some point?  I know i always had nicks (sprained ankles, broken bones,  bruised thigh that cramped up for a WEEK!! or whatever, lol).  Most players comeback from these injuries with little affect to their abilities.  Are we just a little over-sensitive to it because of Daunte????

by Hudman on May 2, 2007 10:47 PM EDT   0 recs

Quinn/Beck
The other thing about the whole Quinn vs Beck thing is that most of us had never heard or seen Beck until this past weekend. But we have heard and seen Quinn for years now. So what do you expect from us? We are going to be more embracive of the guy we are familiar with. That's natural. So now that we are seeing Beck and hearing 'experts' thougths on the guy, we are becoming more familiar and therefore more accepting of him. If I watched film and read stuff on Beck that suggested he was a hack and we were idiots to take him, I would call out the decision. But I haven't. In fact, its been the opposite. So I can't help but change my opinion of passing on Quinn to take Beck. It doesn't mean the I think Quinn will be a terrible bust a la Joey Harrington. It just means that I am satisfied with 'our' guy.

by dplunk on May 2, 2007 10:56 PM EDT   0 recs

thanks
some good insights from the cam/mule draft in barry jackson's latest article

http://www.miamiherald.com/616/story/93458.html

also...  PFT rumor mill mentioned the whole Texans taking Ginn if he was there at 10.... well what if houston didnt trade for Shaub....and picked at 8... you think we woulda taken Quinn????? if not then who??

by YatilGinnJr on May 3, 2007 1:10 AM EDT   0 recs

hmmmm....
First off, good find on the article!

As far as the Texans taking Ginn, if they were at 8 and took him, I don't know what would have happened.  Maybe a corner?  Maybe Joe Staley at #9??  Good question!

by Matty I on May 3, 2007 2:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

#9 w/o Ginn
I think a corner (maybe Hall), a DT (Okoye at 19 years old), or even a DE (Carriker) is what they would have chosen. Staley would have been a nice pick if they could have traded down.

by Natalya on May 3, 2007 1:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Injuries
I think the injury question is a really good one.

People, for whatever reason, seem to put much more emphasis on their most recent experiences. Teams are no different I think. So I can see where injuries are a concern.

With that in mind, I guess I am wondering about the Fin's medical staff. They were wrong not just on Culpepper, but on Brees also. Imagine how different this franchise would be now with Drew Brees at QB since last year? So taking a guy at #9 who has an injury that hasn't healed in 4 months, is certainly something to be worried about. I hope the medical staff got it right this time.

by Natalya on May 3, 2007 1:27 PM EDT   0 recs

Brees
If that was the case... Saban would still be here, along with Manny and Vick. We also wouldnt have had the #9 pick.. probly somewhere lower down where we'd take a defensive player.

by YatilGinnJr on May 3, 2007 3:48 PM EDT   0 recs

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