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Dolphins lose in Beck's debut

So it's now been around 340 days since the Dolphins last won a regular season football game.  And like I said, the Dolphins remained in the game until the 4th quarter.  We did get to see a very nice drive put together by John Beck and the offense, as the Dolphins marched down to the 1 yard line following the Eagles taking a 17-7 lead.  The next 4 plays will be what is talked about for a lot of the week.  So let the 2nd guessing begin.

The 4 Plays
So with 8:17 to go, the Dolphins have it 1st and goal at Philly's one yard line.  On first down, I was looking for a simple QB sneak by John Beck.  Instead, they hand it to Jesse Chatman and he is stopped for a loss of one.  I can live with that.  I like the play call on 2nd down, as Cam Cameron let Beck throw and he found Aaron Halterman for what should have been a touchdown.  However, he dropped a well thrown ball.  This play, in my opinion, was the key to the mess that would follow.  If Halterman can make the catch, we never have to worry about the next couple of plays.  Cam's going to be the victim of all the anger by Miami fans, but I think Halterman is just as much to blame.  You have to make that catch.  I don't want to hear that Takeo Spikes was right there.  If you can get two hands on the ball, you catch the ball.

So now on 3rd and goal from the 2, they hand it to Chatman who runs to the left and gets maybe a half of a yard.  Again, no problem with that call, though I think I personally would have thrown it again.  So Cam goes for it on 4th and goal.  I may be in the minority, but I do like the decision to go for it.  The Dolphins have nothing to lose and Cam probably figured they wouldn't be able to get this close again.  Since the Dolphins were down 10, they needed to get a touchdown at some point, so why not go for it here?  But like all of you, I would not have called a quick pitch on 4th down.  That was simply a disgusting play call.  Seriously.  It made me sick to my stomach.  If you want to run it, then do it up the middle where Chatman could go low and power his way or leap over the top.  However, I personally would have liked to see Beck roll out and have a run/pass option.  Regardless, terrible call by Cam.  But like I said, Halterman gets almost as much of the blame as Cam does because the Dolphins should have never been in that situation on 4th down.

Oh, and one other thing.  I don't think you can say we lost this game because of Cam's play call.  Even if they kick the field goal or score the touchdown, Miami would have had to somehow get the ball back.  As you saw from the following drive by Philly, this defense was worn down and couldn't stop the run on that last drive.  I don't think it would have been any different if Miami did get some points on that drive in question.

John Beck
Obviously, all eyes were on John.  He finished the game with a final state like of 9/22 for 109 yards.  But I don't think it's fair to sum up his first NFL game by simply looking at the stats.  You have to look at more than that.  He showed good arm strength.  His accuracy was spotty a few times, but that's to be expected as a rookie being blitzed as much as he was.  I thought he showed good pocket presence all game long, moving around well when he needed to.  He also showed the ability to make strong and accurate throws while on the move, which is a big plus in this league.  I do think he was hurt a bit by some drops.  Obviously, we talked about the Halterman dropped pass that would have resulted in Beck's first career touchdown.  He also made a nice throw to Derek Hagan on a post pattern that was either dropped or a good play was made by the corner to get a piece of it.  On first look, I couldn't tell.  Also, on one roll out, he had David Martin open about 10-12 yards down the field for a would-be first down, but Chatman tipped the ball, thinking it was intended for him, and the ball fell incomplete.  So some bad breaks did hurt John's stat line.  Also, did anyone notice that Beck didn't turn the ball over nor was he sacked even one time.  He sure does have a quick release (no not Danny Marino like, but still good).

One thing I was impressed by was the drive he led the Dolphins on following Philly's second touchdown making it 17-7.  He made a good throw to Marty Booker.  He found Justin Peelle and let Peelle make something happen after the catch.  On that crucial drive, despite not scoring because of the aforementioned drop by Halterman and play call by Cam, Beck showed great poise and confidence.  He looked like a leader out there, something we haven't seen in a Dolphins QB in a long time.  I'm very excited to see him grow week to week.  

Much more on Beck later on in the week when I look back at the game and break down each of his 22 pass attempts one by one.  I'll hopefully get that done prior to Thanksgiving.

The Defense
It was really like a tale of two halves with this defense.  In the first half, this defense really looked fired up.  They were swarming the ball carrier and being disruptive.  And they were even doing something we rarely see: creating turnovers.  There was a Jason Allen sighting!!  He picked off two passes, both of which were inside Miami's 5 yard line.  Those are big, big plays.  Allen was also active in run support all game.  Perhaps Jason Allen could become a very good safety in this league.  He's showing some true flashes.  

Later in the first half, the Andre Goodman picked off A.J. Feely for the team's 3rd pick of the game.  And again, it was inside the 5 yard line.  Sure, this defense gave up a lot of yards in the first half.  But they only allowed 3 points and that's mostly thanks to Allen and Goodman making plays in the secondary.  We haven't seen this all year long so it was definitely refreshing to see.  Also on the plus side were the performances of Channing Crowder and Joey Porter.  Crowder, especially, was all over the field.  He had 12 solo tackles, got pressure on the QB, and helped keep Brian Westbrook in check early on.  Porter was also active all game long, turning in 2 solid performances in a row leading up to his big return to Pittsburgh on next Monday night.  That will be interesting.

However, like I said, it was a tale of two halves.  And the second half was all Eagles.  It just seemed as if the defense really tired as the game wore on.  They allowed 188 yards of offense in the 2nd half, including 101 on just 2 drives by Philly in the 4th quarter.  But they wore down for good reason.  The defense of Miami was on the field for almost 35 minutes of the game.  Considering they were also undermanned and inexperienced due to the injuries that this unit has endured, I can't really blame this defense for looking sluggish as the game wore on.  In the end, it was a second straight solid effort by this defense, but the offense couldn't hold up their end of the bargain.

This & That

-The Dolphins only committed 3 penalties, but one was an absolute killer.  I'm talking about the offsides penalty on Will Allen when he came on the corner blitz, got the sack, and caused a fumble that was recovered by Vonnie Holliday.  That was just a mental mistake by Allen, who was just barely offsides.  The very next play, Buckhalter goes in for Philly's first touchdown.

-We thought we might see more shotgun than usual in this game because of Beck, and we did see it a bit more than we have in the past.

-I thought Cam's play calling was still too conservative.  We saw that Beck can make plays down the field, but in the 2nd half we saw much more conservative play calling, which I think severely inhibited Beck's performance.  We'll see if this changes as Beck gets more and more experience.

-Anyone who questioned Ted Ginn's hands is simply crazy.  He continues to prove he is a reliable target.  I'm yet to see any pass that Teddy can get his hands on fall incomplete.  And how about the nice rapport that Beck and Ginn seem to be developing!  Sure Ginn only had 4 catches, but those 4 throws were probably 4 of Beck's 6 or 7 best all game.

-Speaking of Teddy, his punt return for a touchdown was a thing of beauty.  He made the first couple of defenders miss and then exploded to the right side of the field and outran everybody.  And at 87 yards, it tied the longest punt return in Dolphin history.  Here's to many, many more of them!

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4th and goal the right call if executed
Say what you want, but I think the 4th and goal play was the right call. I'll tell you why:

Firstly, Miami is set up nicely for what Philly called on D. Philly looked to have a S and LB in the backfield before bringing both to the LOS right before the snap. Miami actually picks them up nicely , but when Satele pulls right after the snap, he whiffs big-time on a block on the player who makes the tackle on Chatman. Then, to make matters worse, Beck makes a very bad pitch to Chatman. He makes the pitch almost directly behind rather than towards the hashmark as those plays are designed. The WR on the right has his man blocked, so the corner is completely out of the picture. No one else seems in line to make that play if executed properly.

Despite Beck's bad pitch, if Satele does not miss on his blocking assignment, I think Chatman scores (or at least, gets the chance).

All-in-all, it was just poor execution. I do not think it was a bad playcall.....

by Colmax on Nov 19, 2007 1:38 AM EST reply actions  

B.S.
Boy, I am tired of hearing this ridiculous argument.

Any given play will work if the execution is correct.  You could call a double reverese back there, and if they execute correctly, it goes in the end zone.  That's doesn't make it a good call.  It just means you got lucky.

You keep it simple!  The fancier you make it, the more things can go wrong, and the less your chance of flawless execution.  

It was still an inept set of calls on that series of downs when they needed to move the ball 1 yd.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed
but why in the world do you do that in that situation? I would personally do 4 consecutive qb sneaks. If I cant go one yard!! I deserve to lose.  This has really been the story of the dolphins this year. I think you give cam another year with a improved offense next year and see what happens. If we cant win more than 4 wins next year. you fire him...I know it's beck's first game and he looked decent at best. I really hope he improves in the next 6 games because I have a feeling that if he doesnt, we will select a quarterback with our 1st pick next year. While we may have no real future as of now. I can't wait to see how these young guys will start to gel in the next couple of years.

by Cap44 on Nov 19, 2007 2:32 AM EST reply actions  

Exactly!
Why would you do anything other than spread them out and try to punch it in there?  All you need to get is half a yd each on two plays!

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

2-2-1
I found it refreshing to see our 2 2007 second rounders combine with our 1 2007 first rounder a few times in a real game (Satele to Beck to Ginn Jr.).  I hope for more frequency and impact from these (as well as all around them).  

Looking ahead, this is the first year (in many) to set a standard for selecting draft picks going forward. The last?...you ask? (Zach-1996-5th rnd)...they build on themselves (JT-1997-3rd rnd)...just my opinion.

by OntheGo on Nov 19, 2007 3:01 AM EST reply actions  

The only thing that makes
me sick to my stomach is how in the hell does a coach with a 0-10 record get a 76% approval rating? What are you blind? Seriously. First it was Capers fault because the defense was playing bad. Then it was the offense was improved. I was taking notice of Cam's approval rating before I checked out, it was 35 votes yes, 65 no. I log back in and he has over 200 votes approval?!! 200? What the hell?
 What games are you all watching on Sundays? Please show me, I wanna watch them too. Ya know what. Sure we might not have gotten good drafts from '98 on, but we sure as hell aren't playing all rookies. It isn't like Randy and Cam just drafted a entire team last year and put them on the field.
 Come on people, am I the only one noticing when I watch TV that next to the Dolphins it has 0-10? The only team with double digits losses. The only team that gets laughed at when talked about. The only team that gets talked about being the 1st team to go 0-16 they are so bad. Please don't tell me 0-16 is not the coaches fault, your p*ssing in the wind. The offensive genius with his "improved offense" has scored 10, 10, and 0, thats right NOTHING the past 3 games.
 Plus his goofiness shows up AGAIN in his play calling and his approval rating sky rockets. Say what you want about Halterman dropping the pass, alright he did. The fact of the matter is Cam had 1st and goal on the 1, the 1, and the offensive genius couldn't get it in. There was 3 other plays to get that ball 1-2 more yards into the endzone, but on 4 and 1 he LOSES 13 yards. On NO other website I go to is his approval rating near 40%, but here 76%. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinon (which is why I'm expressing mine -) ). This man makes a no brainer decision to start Beck (late I might add) and his rating goes up 6%.
  You guys are looking for any reason to like this man as a HC.  Maybe because you don't want to start over, but here is a reality slap to the face. He might be a good man, but his HCing skills stinks. I don't wanna hear any talk bout JJ or any other nonsense. This team is nothing like or ever gonna be like the Cowboys of the 90's.
 I'm not hating here, just telling the hurtful truth. I'm not voting on his approval pole (like you all care -) ) anymore. Cameron's record does all my voting for me.

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 5:55 AM EST reply actions  

If Belichick were the coach...
With the same team, would we still be 0-10?

I seriously doubt it.  Maybe we would still be bad, but some of these games have been winable. That means it is the head coach's fault.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

No, you're hating
I'm seeing this from quite a few Dolphin fans.  It's the same thing every year, it doesn't matter what happens it's the coaches fault.  Here is an interesting statement you made in your post Neo: "but on 4 and 1 he LOSES 13 yards".  Interesting that you say Cameron loses 2 yards....I don't remember seeing him on the field missing that block.  Maybe you are watching a different game?  The truth is, Miami is rebuilding and trying to get some experience to some players who just don't have it.  They are clearly out manned right now, and just need to keep working.  Just like these rookie players, Cam is a rookie coach, and people keep forgetting that.  You mention the points scored the last few games: interesting that those games directly correspond to Miami losing it's star offensive player, don't you think?  So stop blaming cameron and show some friggin optimism, 0-10 or not, you're still a Miami fan aren't you?  Root them on, not out.

by Gliddog on Nov 19, 2007 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

You are in denial, if you can't admit it.
It is illogical to argue that the resonsibility for the team's record of 0-10 should not be placed squarely on the shoulders of the head coach.

Who else do you see being the person that we should expect to solve the problems and figure out how to win?  Wayne?  Randy?

If we were 10-0, I am sure you would not have a problem giving Cam the credit.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope
~I don't remember seeing him on the field missing that block~

Nope, but I do remember him on the sideline making that dumb@ss play call.

~You mention the points scored the last few games: interesting that those games directly correspond to Miami losing it's star offensive player, don't you think?~

No, I don't think it has anything to do with that, Chatman has been filling in fine. There is nothing wrong with our running game.

~So stop blaming cameron and show some friggin optimism, 0-10 or not, you're still a Miami fan aren't you?~

 Yes I'm still a fan, thats why I'm not sugarcoating anything. I hate seeing my team laughed at. Saban got 6 wins with roughly the same players, if you ask some, Cam has better players. I won't stop blaming Cameron, because he is the HC and he is, regardless of what some people think, RESPONSIBLE.

Rookie HC or not. Rebuilding or not. No wins and 10 losses is unacceptable. It's not only the 10 losses, its how we gettin the 10 losses. It's like parents seeing that their 16 year old is on drugs. You gonna say well lets "show some friggin optimism" and say at least he is home by 3 am tonight or you gonna sniff out the root of the problem. Hold Cameron responsible.

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

But I do see
that those games directly correspond to Miami's defense playing a heck of alot better.

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Right on!!
Gliddog, you couldn't said better. I'm back, Beck is starting and that is what i wanted. The future have begun and now i have more patience to spend on the Dolphins!!
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Nov 19, 2007 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

Aleta, that's a different discussion
I actually agree with you.  I am very happy to see Beck out there, I am pleased with the way our rookies are stepping up... hell, I was even excited to see Jason Allen stepping up.
I think Mueller deserves some credit for the personnel, but I think Cam can't figure out how to use them.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Shows Promise

I liked Beck's poise and confidence in the pocket.  And he has a solid release... He showed promise.

If the Dolphins had consistently-effective wide-outs with good hands, this game's outcome would have been different.  Halterman's drop in the endzone adds emphasis to this team-need.

I'm not saying the trio of Booker, Hagan, and Ginn are not effective.  They can be quite effective with a top RB like Ronnie Brown in the line-up.  But with-out a top RB in the line-up, I don't see how the team's wide-outs can be effective.

by NumberOneFan on Nov 19, 2007 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

I don't see how having a better RB on the field...
is going to help Booker and Hagan catch the ball when it's thrown to them.  

by urbino on Nov 19, 2007 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No Matter What He Does...
or doesn't do, Ca-MORON is going get worshiped by many on this website it seems. Just as reliably, those who call him out for his vast inadequacies as a coach will be dubbed 'haters' and all their argument dismissed with one word.

By the sound of all the excuses made for Ca-MORON, you'd think he was coaching an NFL expansion team....full of high school JV kids.

The guys play-calling is atrocious, his game plans make Joe Gibbs look like a proponent of the run and shoot, his player management & decisions are baffling, and he shows about as much passion for the game as a chia pet.

Last I checked Ca-MORON was hired and payed big dollars to be a head coach, a winner, not some 'good man'.

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

Patience
Give the guy three years to build his personnel. Remember, Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 with the Cowboys his first year. Cam is going to be fine.  If we keep a revolving door at coach, we won't go anywhere.  It's going to take at least three drafts to get to where we want to be. Meanwhile the Pats are ultra talented with what looks like a top five pick in the draft next years draft.

by gophish on Nov 19, 2007 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear that alot
This man is not JJ. If I recall JJ was a damn good collage coach b4 coming to Miami. ITtwas clear he knew what to do. Even though nothing is promised in the NFL, JJ was pretty close. Cameron had a HCing duty at Indiana and stunk up the joint.

 Cameron is not JJ and these are not gonna be the Cowboys of the 90s.

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

And if someone
were dumb enough to give Ca-MORON three first round picks, you know he'd just draft Melissa and Bob Ginn.

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant
Before coming to Dallas** -)

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

So every first year HC
that's having an bad season of unprecedented depths should just say "hey, i could be the next JJ in dallas precisely because i'm going 0-for-the-season'.

Yeah, let's just keep a horrendous coach, who should be HC at a local high school, that will lead us to what looks like a winless season rather than get someone who actually knows what they are doing.

While we are giving Ca-MORON another 17 years to fix the situation, let's trade next year's #1 overall pick for AJ Feeley, give Joey Porter a raise, and of course, extend Ca-MORON's contract for 20 more years...

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

A Little Optimism
never hurts.  I could say that Cam will fail, but what good would that do?

We've lost 5 games by three points or less. The players are playing hard, we are just short some talent b/c of bad "win now" decisions with personnel  and trading away draft picks.

Stick with Cam. Stick with Capers. Hire an offensive coordinator or promote someone on staff to OC so Cam can concentrate on strategy.  Keep continuity and let the players play instead of learning new systems every year.  Jason Allen finally learned the system and is playing with instinct instead of second guessing.  I think we are a play making TE and a few defensive lineman away from winning games... as long as Beck continues to improve.

by gophish on Nov 19, 2007 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually agree with you
Except maybe that you hire a different head coach and make Cam the OC.

My frustration is that I KNOW that you should expect a new head coach to take two years to put it all together, and if you replace Cam, you start that clock all over again, but I just don't see enough from Cam to make me think that he has the ability to make it happen.

I could accept 4-12 the first year, and then somewhere around .500 the 2nd year.  But at this point, what are the chances that we pull 4 wins out of the final 6 games?  Jim Bates stepped in and went 4-6 out of the final 10 game when the Fins started out 0-6 in 2004.  IMO, he did not have a more talented roster than we have today, he just knew how to use the talent that was there.

I just don't think Cam has the ability to be an effective head coach, and I think the team record is pretty good evidence for this conclusion.
If we wait another year, then we push

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

No.
It is not simply personnel, so that won't work.
I could agree that they need two years to get the rest of the player pieces to compete for a championship, and that is assuming John Beck develops and you don't need to re-draft a QB.

That doesn't mean that 0-10 is acceptable this year.  Even New Orleans was 2-8 by week 10 in 2005 after Katrina.  And they were playing all road games!

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Nat
with those suggestions YOUR approval rating just shot up 85%. You are now well liked on the website.

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks NEO
you just need to stop hating (aka, having a thoughtful, semi-critical opinion) and you'll see how your approval ratings shoot up.

Oh and have I said that Ca-MORON, er, Cam-Genius is a good man?

I approve of Cam Cam-Genius.

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry
I just can't stop. I just wanna blame my HC for taking 10 games into the season before having a game with less than 5 penalties. I wanna blame him for his terrible play calling. I wanna blame him for our offense stinking when it was "so improved" earlier and he was this offensive minded genius. I wanna blame him for not starting Beck earlier. I wanna blame him for drafting Booker with our 3rd rd pick and finding out he is only good enough to run up and down the field on special teams. Speaking of special teams, I just wanna blame him for them sucking so bad. I wanna blame him for our clock management issues. D@mn it I can't stop blaming Cameron. Why? Why do I do it?? Is it just because we're 0-10 and he is the head coach? I guess I need to get into therapy because he couldn't be responsible for such things.

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

You need help...HATER!
And, being the good samaritan that I am, here's what you need...

Send an email to this address:

phinsider@gmail.com

Explain what's going on and the good doctor will show you the error of your ways. He'll carefully articulate how (Ca-MORON) Cam the Genius needs some more time (21 years) to get this team back on track. In addition, you will see how (badly overmatched Ca-MORON is) good a man Cam the Genius is and how he (should be coaching pop warner) will lead us to the playoffs (in 2031).

Please get help, if not from phinsider@gmail.com, then from someone!

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow
I can't believe what I'm reading. First off I agree that Cameron needs to be critically assessed. Yes he's made some bad calls. Did that one play cause us to lose? What about our defense who couldn't stop Westbrook? Or Taylor playing like he doesn't care? Or Will Allen making a stupid mistake which negated another turnover? You cannot blame any single person for this team's problems. Cam finally is doing the right thing and playing the rookies. He didn't want to because he was scared of going 0-16. Who wouldn't be? It takes alot of guts to put in your rooks when your record is this bad. And nat and neo, there is nothing wrong in criticizing things. I am just as frustrated when those smug ESPN analysts make jokes about my beloved Dolphins. But calling Cam "Cam-moron" is childish and stupid and nobody's gonna take you seriously when you say things like that. This team got gutted, and is injury plagued. Yeah were 0-10; but I'd rather be that than 6-10 with Saban at the helm. At least Cam shows class. So stop complaining and understand that there's a reason Cam is our head coach and none of us are.

by Enhalo on Nov 19, 2007 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

We may go...
0-283, but darn it, we'll be the classiest 0-285, er, 0-283, team that ever stepped on a football field.

Besides, the head coach should get credit for things when they go well and players make plays but a free pass when things go bad and the team lays 175 eggs in a row...

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said that
Cam should get a free pass. But you need to consider  all the injuries we have and what a mess our team is. Except for the last few years, do we have any starters from our drafts? Cam is trying to clean up a huge mess that ANY coach coming would have trouble with and Cam's never been a head coach before. Yeah we suck this year; big freaking deal. We needed a season like this for a long time and yeah it blows but it's better to get it over with instead of spending the next few years being mediocre

by Enhalo on Nov 19, 2007 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I like
how people like to go back to our previous drafts and say that we don't have anyone still on the team (which is true), so we are a mess and blah blah blah. But just a couple of years ago, even with this "mess" we we're a trendy pick to make the playoffs and go to the SB.

~Yeah we suck this year; big freaking deal~

Yes 0-16 is a big freaking deal. I don't recall any rebuilding franchise, even with a rookie HC doing it. Not the Cards, not even the terrible Bengals of the 1990s.

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't try
to blame anything on the defense. The offense scored no d@mn points. NOTHING. The defense showed up for the 3rd straight game (espcially this game with 3 pics) and the offense has scored 10, 10 and 0. Cameron is the offensive minded genius the reason he got to be HC.

~So stop complaining and understand that there's a reason Cam is our head coach and none of us are.~

I wish he would start showing us that reason.

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Darn it Neo...
I told you already, it is because he is a nice person :) :) :)

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You are absolutely right..
that all of those things contribute to the losses.  

But get real... there is a reason you don't see 0-10 very often.  It is because, in this league, with the minimum talent level of the worst teams, a team should be able to pull out a win or two.

I go back to the Dolphins in '04 and New Orleans in '05.  Both teams had terrible offseason circumstances.  

The Dolphins couldn't win with Wanstache.  They replace him with Bates, a guy that the rest of the league obviously doesn't see as head coaching material.  They win 4 of the next 10.

N.O. has no home field advantage and has to play all road games due to Katrina.  They are 2-8 after 10 games.

Any you certainly can't claim that they had awe inspiring talent!  Overall neither of those two teams had any substantial advantage in talent over this year's Dolphins team.  If fact, this year's team is probably more talented than the '04 Dolphins.

If we are sitting at 2-8, we are having a very different conversation.  We are probably looking at 4-12 on the year, and chalking it up to rebuilding.

But when you are talking 0-10, it all boils down to coaching.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

"Our Defense couldn't stop Westbrook"
That's why we lost, because the defense collapsed!

Riiiiiight!

Yes, they have lost us some games.

But for the record, there have been 4 games that the opposing teams were held to 17 pts or less.

If the offense had been able to score 18 or better (14 or better in two games), in any of those games, we would not be winless right now.

Ergo, there are 4 of 10 losses that rest squarely on the shoulders of the Offense.

And let me ask you this about the Philly game... If the D had allowed 17 pts in the first half, and nothing in the 2nd, would you still hear people trying to blame this loss on a defensive collapse?

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i hope it was just the conditions....
but did anyone else notice that Beck couldnt seem to throw a damn spiral? I was at the game and it stopped raining in the second half and I still saw duck after duck. Not very encouraging.

by YatilGinnJr on Nov 19, 2007 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

Let me just say this
I don't hate Cam personally. I think he is a good guy and I can see why people want to defend him. Its just that he is not a good head coach. I know people want to believe in him just so we won't have to start over, but facts are facts. I have given them and won't go down my list again.

 There is no starting over when your at the bottom of the barrel people. Look where we are. It doesn't get any worse than this. We are already a laughing stock and are in danger of going 0-16. 0 -16!!!!!!! There have been plenty of head coaches that have taken over rebuilding programs that didn't looks this bad, and YES CAM IS PART OF THE PROBLEM. Lets just face the truth. Admit we made a mistake. Cut our losses and move on.

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

If people are going to support..
Ca-MORON just because he is a nice person then hell, Wayne should have hired me and you to coach the team, paid us half as much as Ca-MORON, and we could have gone 0-10 all the same.

But hey, we are nice people....

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I was at the game
ok so i was at the game, very close to the field (just bragging)....the weather was terrible...cold, rainy and very windy...it didnt look as bad on TV as it actaully was there, trust me, i know this had a alot to do with Beck's performance....alot of his throws wer very wobbly, probly from a slippery ball

also he does have great pocket presence, he reads the pressure well and actaully looked very quick, i was shocked at how quick he looked...

he also has alot of zip on his balls...alot of the misses looked the like the reciever couldnt adjust fast enough to the ball coming at them and atleast 5 misses were quick zips to chatman that just didnt work out so well..he needs to work on his accuracy a lil bit

i think Beck is gonna be a good one and i cant wait to watch him every week

by TheFallOfTroy54 on Nov 19, 2007 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

Thank you!
Thanks for adding this insight.  I suspected as much, since I couldn't really see the rain on TV, but I could see everything was wet.
I definitely thought Beck did pretty good, all things considered.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong
In an earlier response to scoring, Neo said that Jesse Chapman is filling in for Ronnie Brown nicely and that the drop in scoring has nothing to do with Ronnie going down.  I'm now certain you're watching different games than the rest of us!  Jesse is a decent backup, but does NOTHING as well as Ronnie was early in the season.  It's not just about yards rook.  It's about wearing opposing defenses down, about punishing them, about scoring at the goal line.  Have you even been WATCHING?

On top of that, I also meant the loss of Chambers hurting the offense.  Stop blaming Cam for everything.  All these haters might just as well be Jets fans.  I'll ask again, why do rookie players get all the slack, and a rookie coach gets nothing?

Another question: why does the Head coach deserve all the blame for losing?  Would he get all the credit for winning?

by Gliddog on Nov 19, 2007 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, of course. Are you kidding?
Of course he would get all the credit for winning.

Sure people talk about the NE players, but everyone credits Belichick for NE's success.

And quit referring to Cameron as a rookie, and using that as an excuse.  No one hired him to be a rookie, and just which head coach (new or otherwise) are you talking about that was allowed a free pass for going 0-10?

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Planet Earth to Gliddog, do you copy?
And we'll tell you again, for the umpteenth time that while John Beck was playing against Air Force and New Mexico last year, Ca-MORON has been an NFL coach for years. The dolphins didn't pluck this guy out of Miami South Ridge High School (where he really should be the HC) and throw him into the NFL. Things are so backwards on this website that Ca-MORON gets credit even though the team is 0-10 but absolutely zero blame. Good o-line? Ca-MORON gets the credit. Bad defense? er, ask Capers. Bad play-calls? Um, um, if the double flea-flicker reverse shovel pass call on 4th and 1 had been executed right... Yeah it was all Saban's fault or Wannstedt or Mularkey or, um, yeah, that's it! As it is, Ca-MORON's approval rate is 75%+ for an 0-10 record. I suspect he'll get a 99% approval rate if the dolphins ever so much as win a game.

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Goes both ways...
And you can read posts in here where you "Can't blame Randy for the talent level here, he has brought in the talent for CC, he just doesn't know what to do with it."

Then in the next sentence they blame CC for drafting Booker in the 3rd round.  (So, which is it?)

I do find it interesting how everyone wants to blame coaching when plays aren't executed properly though.  

Why doesn't anyone ever hold the players responsible for anything?  Like blocking their man on 4th and 1 on the goal line, or catching the ball when you have both hands on it in the end zone on 2nd and goal from the 1...  Or not committing a holding penalty on a KO Return by Ginn against the Bills that would have won the game for the phins - or maybe Marty Booker for dropping pass after pass in the same game???

As stated before, CC has a lot to learn about being a head coach, but he is far from the only reason this team is 0-10.

On the 4th Down Call:
"I thought it was a good call, especially by the way they were playing on the goal line," said Chatman, who finished with 72 yards on 22 carries. "They knew we were going to run the ball, they knew that, so they were forcing inside, inside, inside, inside."

Everybody in the huddle agreed with the call, from Chatman to Beck to the offensive linemen like right guard Rex Hadnot and right tackle L.J. Shelton."

Definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

by azphinner on Nov 19, 2007 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

So he's not a rookie?
Is an OC the same as HC?  No?  Has he ever been a HC in the NFL?  No?  How do you define rookie? And I'm the one on another planet?

And how about the HC getting all the credit for winning?  Tom Brady doesn't get some of that credit?  Isn't he being called the greatest QB of all time in some circles right now?  In no way shape or form does Belichik win all that he's won without Brady.  The Pats weren't very good before Bledsoe blew out a lung and My Brady marched onto the field.  Until the Miami players have some talent, this team will be crap.  Stop blaming Cameron and start learning about football.  Players Play, coaches coach.....A coach will only be as good as his players.

by Gliddog on Nov 20, 2007 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

We are not
Paying Cam to be a rookie HC and learn on the job. Did we draft Cameron? No we hired him to perform and he is not. We are paying him to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

~ Isn't he being called the greatest QB of all time in some circles right now? ~

Never heard that. QB having the greatest season maybe, but never heard him being the greatest QB.

~In no way shape or form does Belichik win all that he's won without Brady~

Without BB, Brady is a above average QB. He is a system QB. I said it before, Joe Montana or Steve Young wouldn't had been so great if it weren't for Bill Walsh. Probably none of the 3 would be in the HOF.

~The Pats weren't very good before Bledsoe blew out a lung and My Brady marched onto the field. ~

The 5 previous years before Brady took over the Pats were 11-5, 10-6, 9-7, 8-8 and 5-11. Up to the last year I would hardly call them bad. The 5-11 season was BB 1st year and the second year they went 11-5 and never looked back.

~ My Brady ~

I found this interesting.

~Stop blaming Cameron and start learning about football.  Players Play, coaches coach.....A coach will only be as good as his players.~

Dude are you serious? Other coaches with about this same team was able to get at least 5-6 wins out of them Cameron can't get 1. The Pats (up to this year) have gotten there good record, not by Pro-Bowlers or even great players. They are well COACHED, know their position, where to be, and what to do. I wish YOU would start learning about football. If anything BB proves the players are (mostly) only as good as their coach. We're 0-10 and Cameron is the HC we can blame him all we want. He is RESPONSIBLE.

----Players play how coaches coach.---

The End.

by Neo on Nov 20, 2007 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude
Chatman pushed Ronnie for the starting job. You will be hard-pressed to find anyone on this webpage, even though most don't agree with me, that doesn't agree that Chatman has done a admiral job filling in for Brown.

 Let me let you in on a little insight rook, check out the defensive play. Lets look at how many points the defense is giving up the past 3 games 13, 11, and 17. The defense is keeping games close so now the offense can't get meaningless scores/stats in blown out games.

As far as Chambers goes, he was a overrated WR and we stole a 2nd rounder from SD. Imagine a 2nd for Chambers but a 4th for Moss.

So i guess th real question is, what Fantasy League are you in and what games have you been watching.

BTW I take being called a Jets fan as a real insult.

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

as i said before i was at game and..

i forgot to mention that jason allen looked GREAT yesterday! me and my cousin kept sayin, damn there's allen again...he seemed to be in the action alot....

a few things i really noticed and like about allen
-he's a good tackler
-he seemed really pumped up and into the game (i.e. head butting teammates in the huddle and talking alot with worrell back there, i liked seing that they wer really working together, showing he's a good teammate?
-he looked very quick as well, he was a real spark

by TheFallOfTroy54 on Nov 19, 2007 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, I saw the same thing on TV
This was probably the most exciting part of the game for me.  I kept thinking that if this kid actually starts playing like a first round safety, we could be in very good shape next year when Bell comes back!

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Whenever you...
rightly criticize Ca-MORON and his cronies, the Ca-MORON apologists instantly say you are a hater, jets fan, and the like. Never mind your argument, your articulated points, your examples, none of that matters....you just get dismissed for not engaging in this stupid pro-Ca-MORON group think...

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

Yea
They don't argue with the points your making, just make excuses or call you names.

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Gosh you want to
replace future Miami South Ridge High School Coach Ca-MORON with someone who is actually competent, who actually has a track record, and has won something? HATER! JETS FAN! PATS FAN! BILLS FAN! um, right..

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet thats exactly what Natalya is doing
It gets kind of annoying to see someone condescend and insult people just because they have a different opinion.

by Patssuck456 on Nov 19, 2007 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

LeftCoastFinFan
I'm sorry, but Nat and I are gonna have to offically draft you in the "Fire Cam Now" club.

 Now along with this honor, um well dishonor, whatever, comes some harsh treatment. You will be called names like "Rook", "Hater" and dare I even say it "J-Jets Fan" /sigh.

 You will be told that your hating is gettin out of hand and NEVER question the Cam approval poll. There is gonna be plenty of opposition. It will be harsh name calling, excuse making opposition, but stand strong my friend. In the end we will be victorious.

by Neo on Nov 19, 2007 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

Even though...
real jet's/pat's/bill's fans are leading the campaign to keep Ca-MORON. I mean why wouldn't they support a coach who gives them 2 guaranteed W's a year?

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL :)
this is a good point... just who ARE these "Cam supporters", really?

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't draft me quite yet...
While I am pissed at the incompetence, I sincerely believe that if he would get his s*&t together over the last 6 games, the BEST thing for the Dolphin players would be to have the consistency of a second year with the same coach, in the same system.

The problem is that I just don't see Cam "Failing Forward Fast"... more like just "Falling On His @ss!".

If Cam could get a clue from the corner clue store, and start making better planning and game time decisions, and we could see the results over the next 6 weeks, I would prefer to have him stay.

I just don't think it will happen, and if we are in the same spot, making the same mistakes, in 6 weeks, ya, you can recruit me into the club.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The most important thing...
in your post, Matty, was this:

[Beck] looked like a leader out there

For a rookie, in his first game, that's a terrific sign.  Arm strength and accuracy and all that -- that's stuff a guy might or might not show in his first game, depending on circumstances.  But leadership in your first game -- that's huge.

That's pretty much all I care about out of this game.

by urbino on Nov 19, 2007 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

yep, yep...
I expect to see Beck get better and better.  He certainly seems to have the large danglables...  err.. I mean the intangibles.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Haters
I can't believe I am arguing with Dolphin fans; there are so few of us around anymore.

But, we get it.  You hate Cameron as the Dolphins head coach.  You think he mismanages the game and his play calling is suspect.

He should have played Beck earlier.

He should have realized the defense needed more help in the draft not overpriced free agents.

He should not have drafted L. Booker in the 3rd round.

Injuries aren't an acceptable excuse.  Every team has injuries.

Cameron spent a 5th round pick on Trent Green, who has had zero positive impact on anything.

If you would like I can post these reasons at the start of every discussion thread and save you the effort.

by Mindtornado on Nov 19, 2007 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

Well for starters...
you left out about a dozen other reasons he should be fired. So you'll have to expand that list.

And as for the Ca-MORON apologists, the reasons to defend him boil down to...

he needs more time (15-20 years)
wannstooge was bad
he's a nice guy
um....

he's a nice guy

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I see your point, mindtornado.
I also don't see the point in continually killing Cameron. That's not going to make anything better.

But that's what sites like this are for. It's for fans to voice their opinions. And we all have them.

"Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and they all stink." I'm not sure who first said that, but that's the bottom line. There will always be people out there who disagree with your opinion and who think your opinion is the "right" one. But hey, that's what makes sports so great.

by Matty I on Nov 19, 2007 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, you must not be referring to my posts...
..because you have not seen me criticizing or condemning his draft picks, or the Trent Green trade in hindsight.  The Green trade kinda made sense, but I really thought they should have just stuck with CPep, but Green know the system, and CPEP was a big question mark.

I would like to see more of L. Booker, but considering how well Chatman is playing and with Ricky coming back, I can deal with him not getting in the games right now.

As for the defense, both Cam and Randy share the burden there, and AGAIN, AT THE TIME (not looking backward), I thought that Adalius Thomas was the guys to pursue, and/or maybe Nate Clements in free agency.  

However, NONE of this has anything to do with my ire regarding Cameron as Head Coach today.

Everything today boils down to his inability to get production from the Offense.

That's it.  Game management and play calling are all part of this problem.  But he could call any damn plays he wants, and use the clock or timeouts any damn way he wants, without criticism from me, if he was putting up points.  Claiming "lack of talent" or "lack of execution" as excuses don't work, because ultimately these things are still his responsibility.

I was born and raised in south FLA.  As a boy, I played ball with many of the '72 Fins, as part of the Big Bros organization.  I have almost all of that squad's autographs on my old Dolphins hat.  The first game I went to was the Fins vs. the Baltimore Colts.  I have a piece of the original astroturf from when they tore it out of the Orange Bowl and replaced it after Superbowl X in '76.

I don't hate Cam... I HATE 0-10!!!

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Best post ever
MindTornado, I couldn't have said it better myself.  I'm trying to preach optimism for the team these people root for, and all they do is bash.  If all you do is bash a team, you must be a fan of the opposition.  But being optimistic means that I'm on another planet.

by Gliddog on Nov 20, 2007 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

BEST POST EVER!!!
You are my new BFF!

sorry... just kidding with ya.  ;)
it just sounded funny.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 20, 2007 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Clan of ...
the "Fire Cam Now" club. You guys are missing something from the big picture. We have been the team that your are discribing for more than 30 years and for the last 20 we have not even been in a Super Bowl. So what you guys want is to fire CCam and become what we were, a playoff team and then been humiliated int he road game in the playoff. I for ones don't want that anymore, we need to go trhough this type of change, from the entire team. We need to get rid of everyone from the past and star from scratch, and that meant been 0-10 and worst. Don Shula hurt us and Dan Marino too. They, in a way make this franchise a proud one, but with no Super Bowl championships, i would trade all those records for a couple of SB. Bet Marino and Shula too would made the trade too.
I don't want a team that win 10 or 11 games just to failed in the playoff, i want a contender without bandaids in it, but with a solid base with playerss drafted with a vision o the future. We need to sale the present so we can buy in the future. GO DOLPHINS!!
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Nov 19, 2007 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

No kidding
We've been limping on for too long. Finally someone decided to start rebuilding this team. Like I said before it really sucks to be this bad, but hey it can now only get better. And Neo and Nat, we get that you don't like Cam, but you don't have to keep insulting him (Ca-moron). He's a human being for crying out loud and he has arguably one of the the biggest football messes ever on his hands. If I remember right Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 in his first season. He turned out all right didn't he?

by Enhalo on Nov 19, 2007 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, I get it... I have bad teeth!!!
Sorry about the Austin Powers quote there..

Anyway, guess I am agreeing with the masses here.  Not sure I see the value in continuing to pound on CC.  

Everytime something goes wrong you jump all over the "Fire Ca-MORON" bandwagon.   Hell, even the offensive players in the huddle agreed with the call that they ran on 4th and goal yesterday - but that's not good enough for you, nope...  You see an opportunity to yell and scream more.  (You obviously know more than the players and the coaches, so carry on.)

OK, I get it...  You don't like him.  Good for you after the thousandth time...  Your problem - he probably isn't going anywhere in the near-term...

So, what do you do to fix it?  You will have plenty of $$ under the cap, you will no doubt get a top-5 draft pick, your defense just went onto Social Security overnight, you need more speed and playmakers on offense, your rookie QB is set to start his 2nd game this week, you just changed offensive systems for the 5th time in as many years by continually bringing in new OC's...

Not a pretty picture, but it is the picture you are faced with.  Interested to see how you spend your offseason...

Definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

by azphinner on Nov 19, 2007 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice try...
Ostensibly, you want some sort of 'truce' yet can't help yourself from sneaking in another jab ("You obviously know more than the players and the coaches, so carry on.)

So I'm left to believe that in your mind a truce equates with no criticism of Ca-MORON but where you are free to criticize anyone who thinks he isn't great.

Nice try. No Dice.

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, no...
I'm not looking for a truce at all and to be honest, I could give a rip if you continue to rag on Cam. (Free country, your choice to do and say as you please.)  

I was just hoping for some good dialog on what needs to be done next AND I'm tired of reading the same threads over and over on this board..  Hoping for some new content.

If I want to read the same things over and over I can go to a political site and read what the Dems and Repubs spout off about to each other.  Nothing new there either.

Definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

by azphinner on Nov 19, 2007 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

According to this post, you are insane...
...reading the same threads over and over, hoping for a different result....

:)

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

So...
for someone who claims boredom or aversion to politics and politicians, you sure are acting like a politician.

You sling mud at anyone who criticizes Ca-MORON. Then in the same breath you turn around and wonder aloud why there aren't any good ideas or dialogue on how to improve the dolphins fortunes. That's like the 34-dive of the political playbook!

Maybe you figure that the only ones who know anything about football are the apologists?

Many of the most knowledgeable posters in this blog happen to not be fans of Ca-MORON.

So keep slinging mud and wondering why no solutions ever come up. Something about insanity and doing the same thing repeatedly...

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Rigghhhht.....
Inhale: "Maybe you figure that only ones who know anything about football are the apologists?"

Exhale: "Many of the most knowledgeable posters in this blog happen to not be fans of Ca-MORON"

Lets break this one down, this is brilliant:  

You attempt to rip me because you THINK that my opinion is that only people who stick up for CC know anything about football.  

THEN, you follow that up by saying that the most knowledgeable posters in this blog agree with you.

And you call me political...

Definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

by azphinner on Nov 19, 2007 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say
ALL I said many, there is a difference. Naturally if you prefer to operate in absolutes, you'll find that unacceptable.

Besides, I didn't take the high ground here as you did in your post...saying how you don't want to read the same thing over and over, how politics is irrelevant, then go blasting the Ca-MORON critics while wondering why there's no good/new comments/discussion on how to improve things.

by Natalya on Nov 19, 2007 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually agree with you about this.
I felt this way during the last couple of years with Marino at the helm.  As much as I loved him at QB, I was getting tired of being good, but not quite good enough.

But you should have to go to 0-10 to get it fixed!

by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 19, 2007 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Apologists
Of all the reasons I posted for hammering Cameron, the only one I remotely agree with is his mismanagement of the game.

That is a skill.  Skills can be developed.

Every other item on that list can be debated forever.

I think there are also tangible improvements and measurable progress under Cameron.  

With a future this bright, we gotta wear shades...

by Mindtornado on Nov 19, 2007 7:05 PM EST reply actions  

I like the 1-15 Cowboys comparison.
They were built around a solid young offensive line.  That was one of the first things that JJ wanted to establish and they remained the foundation of the team through their glory years.  They also lost a lot of close games that first year...if I remember correctly we only beat them by a touchdown and we needed a Hail Mary TD at the end of the first half to establish a lead.  However, there's no way we'll get a Herschel Walker-type deal to grease the wheels...

Still, a young O-line, a rookie QB, rookie center, rookie and 2nd-year WRs, a 2nd-year safety (maybe not a bust, after all?).  I love the way the defense is playing lately, but we need to get faster in the middle and bigger/younger up front.  Stopping the run and re-establishing a pass rush should be our priorities going into the off-season.

As for Cam...I think the 3 remaining division games will be very telling.  Those will be his only games this year against a familiar opponent.  I'm curious to see how he adjusts after seeing them one time already.  The Jets and Bills barely escaped with W's, and the Patriots...well, they had to put Brady back into the game so that's something, isn't it?  Okay, maybe not, but I thought we looked a lot better against New England than the Bills did last night.

Go Dolphins.

by lancelotlink on Nov 19, 2007 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

Is not ...
that we HAVE to go throu a 0-10, but in our case, it looks that we have to and maybe worts. At the end, we need to realice that the song started and we need to dance. You and i don't like this song, but we MUST dance it anyway. The best part is that we are going to love the song after hearing it for a while. Bandaid have made us look good in the past, but not made us GREAT. You want greatness?, you know you have to pay your dues. GO DOLPHINS!!
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Nov 19, 2007 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

give Cam a chance BUT
Remember what he done as HC for Indiana...  he didnt do to well at all..

I hated Saban, but atleast he was atleast a proven college coach, Cam couldnt even do that..

I just wished he would stop being so damn conservative.. I mean what the hell we got to lose? throw some "bombs" , activate "L-Bookie", hell, give Kerry Reed a chance..

we are doing good, but

there seems to be a couple pieces short of fixing the puzzle..

trent went down, we hadnt won a game, put in Beck back then

give jason allen more playing time

we cant salvage this season.. every team is atleast 2 wins ahead of us

lets see what we do have with the people that dont get to play..

it's always like that.. a huge amount of probowlers have came from later picks, people that came in for injured "stars"

what if bledsoe wouldnt have got hurt??

Jesse Chatman? would have been a 1'st round pick but got fat & showed up "with no heart or passion" at the combine, he was nice in college

booker? 3'rd rd - see what he has
allen, last yrs #1 - give him playing time

cams playbook for the fins seems to come from the movie neccasary roughness,
"here comes 40yr old trent green, from the cornfields of ..."

we have satele like Big Mau as the center in the movie..

lol, sorry I had to

3 years we will be back to winning consistently

by Emmett on Nov 19, 2007 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

cutler
anyone see the similarity to the way he looks/throws the ball kinda?

Seems very similar to me.

by YatilGinnJr on Nov 19, 2007 11:56 PM EST reply actions  

diehard fin fan
have been all my life.. F the Jets ;-)

truth to it though.. Cam is good with QB's & as an OC.. his head coaching days have never proved anything yet, like I said check his Indiana stats.

you cant turn chatman into lt, you cant turn david martin into gates

o-line is way improved
ginn isnt such a bad pick like people thought
we had a nice draft this year

im just saying, let some people that dont get the chance to atleast play some.. we could have a hidden gem somewhere on the squad, plus we are 0-10, were paying them money.. lets see what they can do

& atleast chatman aint no sammie "fumbalai" smith

he doesnt get as much credit as he deserves, the man goes in every week & plays his heart out

by Emmett on Nov 20, 2007 3:02 AM EST reply actions  

We have...
A hidden gem in the roster. Mularkey should be our HC with CCam as the OC. ;)
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Nov 20, 2007 8:26 AM EST reply actions  

Look ..
club of Fired CCam now, the Dolphins org have been doing what you are just saying. We have change HC more than our underwear. We have put band aids to this team like if the team was in a war zone. For more than 20 years WE HAVE NOT REACH THE SUPER BOWL!! Why do you want to go back to that? to reach the playoff and get humiliated? Let begin to build a foundation and then move foward. GO DOLPHINS!!
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Nov 20, 2007 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Lets go back
~We have change HC more than our underwear~

Like we had a choice.

Shula retired
JJ retired.
Wannstedt had to go.
Bates was just interm.
Saban dumped us.

Isn't like we pushed all these guys out the door. Of the 5 coaches we only fired 1. I want to build a foundation as much as you, but Cameron is NOT the guy we want to build it with (I will not go down my list). Give me a coach thats competent and I'm 120% behind you.

It's just Cameron is not the guy. People ask how can you tell after only 10 games? Or he is a rookie HC give him time. Look at our team with him at the helm for 10 games. We are a laughing stock, we show no improvement and he continues to make blunders on and off the field. As for the rookie HC, like left said we're not paying him to be a rookie. We didn't draft him, we are paying him to help US not help himself learn to be a HC. I don't want to see us keep a coach another year who just shows every game he needs to go(like we did Wannstedt) and possibly go 0-32 or 2-30.

by Neo on Nov 20, 2007 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Neo..
you JUST said!! Everybody has DUMP us!! We are in a terrible mest, you know it & i know it. NOBODY will came to Miami as a HC. You have to deal with it. JJ said that he would be in a SB in 2 years, what happen? all the band aid that he got didn't cut it. Even Don Shula put a HUGE band aid his last year, with the mercenary team and we end up with a 9-7 record and a playoff berth. Every HC that came to Miami though that with a couple of bandaid the job will be done. Guest what it aint happening, and now NOBODY want to be our HC. I really didn't wanted to said, cause it hurts a lot. This is the first HC that atleast is trying to build a team, again, that is may opinion.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Nov 20, 2007 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

And Nat..
i'm not the trouble, so you don't have to save yourself from me ;)
You know what the trouble is? Finding somebody to replace CCam. Not even the big TUNA want to be our HC, and he is a friend of Huzienga. Forget about the Pitts ex HC. You have address the problem, but the solution that you have provided aren't realistic. Stop dreaming about big shoot HC, they are NOT coming to Miami, maybe for vacation. They even dump us for college jobs.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Nov 20, 2007 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Parcells...
took over a 1-15 team in NE and took them to the SB a few years later.

Coaches like Parcells are looking for a new challenge and what bigger challenge than cleaning up the fallout from Ca-MORON's 0-?? mess.

by Natalya on Nov 20, 2007 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Make that two times...
he took over the 1-15 Pats and the 1-15 Jets. Both times he made them playoff teams, with Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe at QB - no small feat.

by Natalya on Nov 20, 2007 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Nat..
The big Tuna Said it!! IF(a big of) he came down south to Miami is NOT gona be for HC, ONLY to be the GM. You need to put you facts togeter and stop reading what you want to heard(read) , he never said he wanted a HC job down here.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Nov 20, 2007 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

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